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Sorry no spoilers just a comment.
I would post on a similar topic to this one, but the focus on that one kinda pulled away from talk about the X-Men Movie. http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smile.gif
Anyway, I have been reading various posts regarding the desire to see the inclusion of NC in the sequel. All I can say is remember the Fantastic Four Movie? The one that was unreleased. (shudder).
Singer has also kinda remarked on the inclusion of NC, when he did an interview for characters he would like to see in a sequel. Gambit, NC and Beast where 3 he mentioned. But in the same interview he said that some characters wouldn't lend themselves well to a movie until technology advances. And for me I think NC falls under this category. Why, well he is one of the most unusual and dynamic looking mutants to ever grace the pages of a Marvel comic. He would be both a visual planning nightmare and great challenge to a Special Effects team. Besides looking authentic and real, he would have to fit into the plot of the story.
Do I want to see NC in the sequel, you betcha! http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smile.gif. But do I want NC in the sequel if he is horribly represented, a big NO!!!!
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I agree with you BC. I rather wait for a convincing and dynamic Nighty, than get a cheesy one right away. Good things come to those who wait. I also think the movie story hasn't reach the point yet where Kurt's story would fit.
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Dang, I guess i'm the odd-man out in wanting Kurt in the 1st sequel.
I DO see your point though BC and SG! If he's treated like crap or not done well why have him in the movie to begin with?
Personally, I believe that it IS possible to bring a convincing Kurt to the screen with the technology and special FX currently available. Its just a question of make up/ prosthetics and computer effects for things like his tail and teleportational effect.
Would they commit to the time and money needed for bringing a 'quality' Kurt Wagner into the franchise right now? More than likely not, seeing as how the general consensus is that he's a 'secondary' x-character.
Especially when it's far easier to bring a GAMBIT or de-furred BEAST into the immediate fold.
( Man, after typing that i'm really starting to see where you guys are coming from http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/frown.gif )
I guess it's a pipe dream hoping that they would give Nightcrawler the priority and importance of say a Wolverine or Rogue.
Hopefully theyll at least throw us a bone and give him some kind of cameo a la Colossus, Jubille and Kitty! http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smile.gif
BAMF!
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Okay..I've asked this before, in a couple places, but where in the world was Colossus in the first movie? I never saw him, to my knowledge.
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As far as I know, he was never in the first one. If he was, where the hell is he?
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People say that he was in the montage sequence when Wolvie's being shown around the grounds. When the kid runs across the pond, there's a big kid in the corner of the screen sketching. Also, when the Blackbird/X-Jet/whatever takes off and the kids are all looking out the window, there's a shot of a big, buff kid. It's impossible to tell if the kid with the sketch pad and the kid looking at the Blackbird are the same, but people claim they are, and that it's Colossus.
-Rex
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Yup, that's supposed to be him. I think NC is doable right now, without looking like Jar Jar...*ack* He doesn't need to be a CGI, he just needs a make up job like Mystique had. If you look at the way Mystique moves in the movie, that's the way I imagine Nighty. She's very, ah, limber. She moves like a cat, and that combined with some CGI for his bamfing and tail, would be enough for him to be convincing. Combine her grace with a little humor and I think you've got NC down. If Singer put him in the second movie, I'm sure it would be a quality Nighty because he wouldn't want to lessen the integrity of the rest of the movie. However later, if Singer doesn't continue as the "X-director," and who would want that label forever, the next director may turn it into a fiasco to rival the Corman FF movie or the Bat sequals. Uck.
I say, better Singer Nighty than Shumacher Nighty with x-nipple action.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>He doesn't need to be a CGI, he just needs a make up job like Mystique had. If you look at the way Mystique moves in the movie, that's the way I imagine Nighty. She's very, ah, limber. She moves like a cat, and that combined with some CGI for his bamfing and tail, would be enough for him to be convincing. Combine her grace with a little humor and I think you've got NC down.
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Yeah! I can see that. That would be cool.
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I zhink we have all forgotten someting else... Who would play Kurt in zhe movie if zhey ever zhought of putting him in it?
Who could possibly capture is wit, is sweetness and ben oui, his accent?
Who suggested putting Kitty in the movie!? http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/mad.gif
ARG! TAKE ZHIS! *Flings a croissant at no one in particular*
*sighs* Je m'excuse, I'm not a Kitty fan.
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I agree, Kurt is definately doable.
Beast would be much harder to pull off convincingly..
People just don't move like apes... And what are they gonna do for his hands??? Thick gloves?
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Is it true that instead of Kurt, they're going to use Jubilee?! If that happens I will be so disgusted, I'd probably won't even go to see it.
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Yeah, ditto para mi. Where'd this Jubes rumor come from? Is it more than just another wild guess?
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Garble:
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Beast would be much harder to pull off convincingly..
People just don't move like apes... And what are they gonna do for his hands??? Thick gloves?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I would disagree.
Well considering we are descended from apes....
But some points that an Ape/Monkey can be done. Plant of the Apes (the original) The New Plant of the Apes that comes out this summer by Tim Burton. Mighty Joe Young. There have been a couple of others that dont sit too well in my memory. But monkeys have been portrayed by man for quite some time. Oh yeah, 2001 a space oddessey.
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The more I think about it, the more I like it....maybe I shouldn't think about it too much.
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The Jubliee rumor came from E! Online. The article said with some certainty (justified or not) that Gambit, Beast and Jubilee would be the new characters. But there's no particular reason to take that seriously.
-Rex
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BAMFCentral:
I would disagree.
Well considering we are descended from apes....
But some points that an Ape/Monkey can be done. Plant of the Apes (the original) The New Plant of the Apes that comes out this summer by Tim Burton. Mighty Joe Young. There have been a couple of others that dont sit too well in my memory. But monkeys have been portrayed by man for quite some time. Oh yeah, 2001 a space oddessey.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, but in Planet of the Apes the Apes didn't move like Apes.. and Mighty Joe Young was completely CGI.
Beast is usually portrayed as having longer arms and shorter legs than regular human proportion, and he swings and leaps and hangs by his feat in such a way that no human could do..
Basically, i think Beast = Competly CGI while Nightcralwer = a little CGI and creative make up.
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Sorry I should have said why I was mentioning Mighty Joe. Simple, for an example on Ape Like Movement. While still CGI, the animator still controlled the movement.
I thought of two other movies with Good Ape like movement.
George of the Jungle (Disney)
Tarzan Legend of Greystoke (Great Movie)
No plant of the apes (the original) was great, but they had the basic movements. But remember they were suppose to be evolved Apes so they weren't really suppose to move exactly like Apes.
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As for Beast's Movement, don't forget NC is fairly acrobatic. Beast's equal. And Kurt hangs and clings to objects the way no Human can. If you have a chance to see the X-Men DVD, there is a good example of a shoot of Beast balancing on one foot on a ball.
And Kurt's movement isn't exactly human. He generally remains hunched over and what not.
Essentially, Kurt and Beast would present and equal challenge in their basic fur coverings and movement. But Kurt has the Tail, unless they decide not to use that. And he has the unusual number of toes and fingers. Which all of these can be overcome, but the additional cost of Kurt's extras may keep the creators at bay for a bit.
I am just not getting my hopes up.
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I think, if they're keeping Kurt in at all (*wince* That kinna hurts if you say it too loud...), they'll keep the tail. It seems as though it would actually be one of the easiest of his physical mutations to make via CGI (like how they created Jar Jar, who combined rather well with the RL sets - just think of it like that, only attached to Kurt's bum).
His eyes would obviously be done using contact lenses and (when the actor absolutely refuses to wear said lenses) more CGI. Ears are easily done with prosthetics.
Fur...? Well, I could see them either using prosthetics on the skin or completely ridding him of fur altogether. *winces yet again* Horrid thought. But then again, why was Mystique scaly? (I know she's not furry to begin with, but still...)
And while I can't seem to remember what it was called, I think I remember a movie that did do some sort of CGI masking to make someone's appendages look different... as the name escapes me, so too do the actual details of said appendages. >_<
Jyuu-chan
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rex Luscus:
People say that he was in the montage sequence when Wolvie's being shown around the grounds. When the kid runs across the pond, there's a big kid in the corner of the screen sketching. Also, when the Blackbird/X-Jet/whatever takes off and the kids are all looking out the window, there's a shot of a big, buff kid. It's impossible to tell if the kid with the sketch pad and the kid looking at the Blackbird are the same, but people claim they are, and that it's Colossus.
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I kinda figured the kid looking out the window was Thunderbird 1, or maybe even 2. He has that Native American look to him. And I watched the movie today and used slow-mo w/ that montage and the kid drawing, to me, looks different than the window kid.
And where's Sam Guthrie? At the Movieverse fanfiction site it says Sam's the kid in the red sweatshirt but.. the only guy I see in a red shirt is St. John.
And what about the kid w/ the blue hair? Could just be a kid w/ blue hair.. or he could be a kid w/ blue hair and an image inducer...?
My $0.02
danielle
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>And what about the kid w/ the blue hair? Could just be a kid w/ blue hair.. or he could be a kid w/ blue hair and an image inducer...?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Why would he be using an image inducer while at the mansion? I think it was just a kid with blue hair.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fasheem:
Why would he be using an image inducer while at the mansion? I think it was just a kid with blue hair. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I thought of that to and the only thing I can come up w/ is.. he's not secure enough with himself to NOT use one. Of course, it doesnt have to be anybody in particular.. it was just a thought.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I thought of that to and the only thing I can come up w/ is.. he's not secure enough with himself to NOT use one.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's possible, I guess, but I can't see Prof X letting him do that. It doesn't fit with the general idea of acceptance of mutants.
Just a thought.
Fasheem
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Well in X-Men:Evolution "Speed & Spyke" Kurt uses his image inducer while the team is having breakfest.
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That's possible, I guess, but I can't see Prof X letting him do that. It doesn't fit with the general idea of acceptance of mutants.
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Perhaps Kurt's mutations are too drastic for even the other mutants to accept him, for now at least. I dunno, just a thought.
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I kinda complained about that scene at fandom. There's a writer for the show who posts there. I feel they are making him use that inducer thingie too much. I know in this show he's a school kid who has to look 'normal', but he seems to prefer himself with that thing on. I'd rather see him coming to terms with his real appearance. Also, it seems like they are two different people: the civies Kurt and the Nightcrawler-Kurt. They even move and act different. Only thing in common is the voice. Hopefully the guy will take my complaint seriously.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Well in X-Men:Evolution "Speed & Spyke" Kurt uses his image inducer while the team is having breakfest.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think whoever made the show wanted him to appear as Normal Kurt at least once per episode. Why? Beats me. But that was the only scene he appeared in where it was halfway believable.
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They might eventually have him come to terms with his appearance, but in the 1st episode he was aware of how his appearance affected others. And he was pretty happy with the image inducer when he got it. It looks like he likes to use it more than it actually bothers people on the team to see him as he actualy is.
Only 5 episodes have aired, that for me would be to quick of a turn around for NC too make. Especially since it is something that has probably bothered him his whole life. I could see maybe in Season 2 that Kurt comes to terms with his appearance.
I thought the Image Inducer and Non-Image Inducer Kurt moved rather similarly. Though I do notice that he isn't so hunched over when in Image Inducer Mode.
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I was poking around over at the Evolution site. And I read a bit of NC's bio in the bible. Here are some snip-its which relate to some of the Image Inducer conversation:
1.By virtue of a holographic inducer, Kurt can attend the regular school. But he lives in fear of his inducer going on the fritz, and the other kids finding out about his true appearance and labeling him a total freak.
2.Kurt's outer jovial nature is largely a mask to hide his biggest fear: being rejected as a freak.
3.Kurt's main vulnerability is the fact that he views himself as a freak. He'll never fit in like the others, never be able to pass for human, and he wears his outward difference like cross. He only wants to be normal, and is deathly afraid of being rejected.
Sentences after these where marked out with CEREBRO tags. So this is NC's starting point. Like the comic maybe he will overcome this crutch and find self acceptance. But obviously not now, hopefully in the future.
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I was watching tv today and i just thought of who would be cool as two of Movie Nightcrawler's stunt doubles.
The Hamm Brothers.. Those two twins that were on the USA's Olpymic Gymnastic team.
They're REALLY good, and they have kinda long faces like Nighty (stunt double's don't have to look too much like the actor).
But the advantage to having twins is for Nightcrawler's telportation effects.
Bryan singer said the kid from the movie who teleported was played by a set of identical triplets, and that made it really easy to pull off the effect.
