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Hi! I recently got into this great big mess of fun, known to y'all as SiP (much to the chagrin of my compatriots: "Isn't it that feminist lesbo comic?" - screw 'em, SiP is better than any friend).
Anyway, I'm unaware if Moore has given any idea as to how long SiP is going to run. I don't care if you guys want to crucify me, but I hope that it ends relatively soon. Let's face it, there's only so much one can do with these characters and story. As much as I'd love to see SiP go on forever, it would be much nicer to see with the whole series wrap up with a bang, rather than a whimper.
I'd be happy to see it go on for a bit, but it would be nice to have an issue number estimate (ie: Cerebus - 300, or Thieves and Kings - 100). It would just comfort me to know that Moore isn't just beating a dead horse, desperately reaching for whatever he can to prevent his income from drying up.
What do y'all think of this? Should I be dragged out and shot for even slightly intoning SiP should be finished? Do you agree that there should be an issue cap of sorts? Do you think I'm just some bloody nut for even thinking of this?
-Jimbo
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As far as Terry's work goes, he's introduced enough complex characters that he could do mini-series "Tambi" "David" and "Casey's adventures in Caseyland" until the cows come home.
The only other comment I'd like to make is your compatriot's ignorant comment was homphobic and sexist enough without it being repeated here on the very board frequented by people who love SiP.
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"Silence can kiss my ass." - Terry Moore
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Look, I'm sorry if the comment offended you. But honestly "I'm" not attacking SiP, and I've found this to be the leading complaint of those who haven't even given SiP a chance. Perhaps you're lucky and have never heard anyone say this, but in a world where comics are almost all capes and skin tight outfits are the norm I find it hard to imagine you haven't.
Barring #39, I find that SiP is really just about Francine and Katchoo, other characters are really detailed and interesting, but it's not their story. I'm not speaking for Mr. Moore here, I've never even met him, but to me this is the story of two people. Not everyone else. They are expanded as needed for the sake of furthing and explaining what happens to Francine or Katchoo. And honestly I'd almost feel cheated if all sorts of mini-series started popping up for other characters, I'd feel as though Moore has sold out. One thing I've found all too true with many cartoonists is that they get too caught up in their characters and forget 1/3 of a story: the ending. After all, if a story goes on too long, it will only end in death, and I'd rather not see the characters that feel almost like friends (come on, you know you feel like they're friends too) die.
So those are my two dimes. Hate me as you will for them.
-Jimbo
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SIP will have an end. Terry has it all mapped out, and said he gets annoyed when people assume he's just making it up as he goes along. But let's let him set the pace, O.K.? Afterwards we can begin "The Diamond of Time."
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Deo volente, Magiae adero.
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While I don't quite think it's hit the point of no return yet, Jimmy does have a point. Personally I hope we get to the wedding *REALLY* soon, because if we don't I'm afraid it'll feel like Terry's trying to milk it for more issues than it's worth. Others have voiced these fears before, just before the last batch of 'crime drama'. So far, I have trust in Terry, but I hope he plans to wrap it up in the next 2 or 3 years, instead of the next 5-10...
Eden, I hope you realize Jimmy deserves some credit, because when his 'compatriots' made their comment, he didn't go 'oh, yeah, huh huh, stupid lesbos' and put it back on the rack. He didn't quote them to hurt anyone, but to stand apart from his 'friends'(I'd look into some new friends tho', if I were you Jimmy http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/wink.gif) Welcome to the board.
Darth
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'There can be sex without love, love without sex, and situations so intermixed that nobody can sort out which is which.'
-Lazarus Long, 'Time Enough for Love'-Robert Heinlein
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I think there's been an overraction to the "lesbo" comment. What he was repeating IS a common myth by a lot of people that don't read the book. I think it's good that he knows otherwise and has let his friends know that he reads the book. Lets give the newbie a break and a welcome to the board.
As for SIP ending, I like the pace it has and have never felt Terry is "milking" it. Why do people want it to end in 2-3 years? I'm sure Terry is getting to the wedding soon and he'll get us to that point ten years in the future. Is everyone expecting it to end then? If people had never seen the ten years in the future issue, would we all be thinking the series is about to end? This is the story of two people and their lives. Where do you end someone's life? I figure Terry will stop it at a good point.
Just some thoughts.
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I think part of the problem may be that those or us that are (or used to be) regular comics readers are used to seeing the stupid serials drag on & on forever (x-men, superman, etc). And it's hard to keep up good, sustained work in a permanently on-going serial.
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I'm not intoning that SiP should end anytime too soon, I'm just saying I don't want to end up seeing SiP #415 or some such number, after all, a comic about some geriatric women would really get old real fast.
Perhaps Moore does have a plan for where it will end up, but that's just two points, the problem is how you get there. I'm just concerned that he'll get too hung up on preventing the story from concluding. I'm sure whatever is done will be fun, but let's face it, fun cannot last forever. I just want SiP to remain a respectable comic, not a new Archie.
As for "getting new friends", the predjudices that are all to common towards SiP doesn't mean that the person is poor. It's just a misconception that there can't be a good "chick" comic. That comics can have great characters so long as there's gratuitous violence and catch frases thrown in for good measure.
BEFORE I GET FLAMED: I know SiP is not a "chick" comic, it's just commonly thought as one. So there.
-Jimbo
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What Branflakes said.
J.J., you should read what Terry said about this subject in a recent interview at http://www.collectortimes.com/Clubhouse2.html
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Deo volente, Magiae adero.
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I understand Eden's point. Why post something offensive when no one needs to hear it? I don't think any kind of "support" was garnered for SiP because some one didn't listen to their friends, and I don't think any praise is in order for ignoring friends like that.
btw, Jimmy, I wouldn't take Eden's comment personally. I don't think "hate me as you will" is needed. She called it as she saw it. No harm done.
As for SiP wrapping up, I have to agree with Darth. I'm starting to worry that it might get milked and I prefer the faster paced, a la I Dream Of You plotline.
But I wouldn't mind a spinoff about Tambi or about Freddie, even just to see how it flew. I'm not a comic reader except for SiP so I don't have any idea about the "rules" for a good series. Any info from the comic maniacs out there?
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There are some differences between SiP and the long running serial superhero title. Even if the title does run into high numbers 1)I don't see Terry passing the reigns of the story to someone else who will change everything that has gone before and write their own story. 2)The characters (sp) do
grow and change so it's really not just the same story over and over again. 3)There is a wealth of other characters that could take center stage if the need arises.
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The problem is that the same cycles keep repeating, and if they keep on doing just that, it will be no different than a convouluted X-Men plot. I like the fact that our beloved characters are very much like real people I have known(and been...) but the point where my disbelief can no longer be suspended is in sight-However, Terry said SiP was all going to change soon, so I'm happy to wait and see.
Darth
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="comic sans ms, jester, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Darth Fett:
The problem is that the same cycles keep repeating, and if they keep on doing just that, it will be no different than a convouluted X-Men plot.
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It's not so much repeating as, I think, spiraling. The turns and confrontations though following the same pattern keep getting larger, deeper, more heated, more violent, with more reprecussions to all involved (leading inevitably to that ten year hiatus). The next set of swings on the pendulum between francine and katchoo together and apart should look to be really intense (as will the explosion that seperates them).
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10 days until it hits.
Well, Darth Fett, Junior Jumbo, and the rest of you who were griping that S.I.P. was moving too slowly, I hope you're happy now. Terry once told me to read a phone book until I calmed down. I don't think one would be enough. I remember what Mark Steyn once wrote: "Sometimes it's easier to close a book without reading the next page. ... Until you read that last page, watch that last scene, anything is possible. Nothing is fixed until the very end. So until that last page is turned David's still alive for me. Until that last page I know that everything will turn out to be all right. So if I stop reading SIP now everything will be OK."
Yep. That'll work.
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Peregrinator in paradiso.
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Actually, yes, I am.
Another 4 or 5 years of push-pull-run-repeat would have killed any enthusiaism I had for the book. Knowing that Terry is shaking the book up give me a new prespective-cause I think up to now was just aboot the right amout of lulling me into a cycle with the story that a change will have maximum effect. Joe Straczynski does that in his writing as well. Can't wait....2 more weeks....
I understand what you are saying Thras, but if you never read the last page, well, you never truly make the connection to the author and his ideas. While 'anything' is possible, you miss what the author was trying to give you. Not judging, just stating my own case...
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'There can be sex without love, love without sex, and situations so intermixed that nobody can sort out which is which.'
-Lazarus Long, 'Time Enough for Love'-Robert Heinlein
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