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well?
i picked up issue #44 yesterday, along with book 4 of akira, and it got me to thinking...
i am hooked on sip. but i am hooked in the sort of way that i was hooked on all my children when dr. lazar brainwashed erica kane's sister silver but erica didn't notice because she was too busy trying to win jeremy over from natalie and so on. the credits would roll right at the most interesting part, and i'd pace for an hour, curse how badly the show was put together (because they cut in at the best part, dammit!) and would be sitting in front of the television the next day, coke and chips in hand. because i wondered what the hell was going to happen next, and in spite of the fact that in the back of my mind, i knew they were going to roll credits right when i'm dying to know what's next.
does it mean that the story's going badly? not really. it means we're reading a serial.
i also read the first 20 issues of akira long ago. drove me out of my mind. largely because the action in it seemed to move sooooooooo sloooooooooooowly. however, reading it in phonebook sized chunks is absolutely divine and pretty damned gripping. (especially now that i know what happens past issue 20)
so...um...hm....i had a point somewhere...
oh, i am wondering how this will read all at once. if once we have the next *blank* issues, or the _entire_ series collected in one place to read straight through, will the whole thing read differently than in serial form?
wait, that's not what i mean. of course it will read differently in big chunks as opposed to little chunks.
but will the things that are driving us into conniption fits now still be seen as glaring errors or faults in the story? or will someone read the whole thing from start to finish and go "duh."?
alright, i guess we can't answer that now. but it would be interesting to hear (read) what people have to say about reading the tpb vs. reading the issues one by one.
(like with v2 #9. in the tpb, it's a plot point, but reading that and the surrounding issues one by one had me ready to go find terry and skin him myself.)
alright, i'll stop now.
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the almighty can shove his scripture up his ass if just one word of it says i can't stand by my friends.
-jessie custer "preacher"
[This message has been edited by tsaiberia (edited November 02, 2001).]
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urgh...I HATE single issues! I much prefer to have a shelf full of beautiful TPBs all lined up in a row, instead of a stack of slippery single issues that only contain about a teaspoon of story each. The only upside of single issues is that you get the letters pages, but with the online forum and feedback-guestbook-thing, it's just not much of a selling point for me. I wasn't into comics in the pre-internet days, but it seems like letters pages are becoming increasingly obsolete. Oh, I also like to have the color covers of the single issues, but those are also available online.
*sigh* I wish I was patient enough to wait for the TPBs to come out, but now that I'm current with the story line, I can't resist buying the single issues.
When it comes to comics, it seems like there are 3 types of people: readers, collectors, and prospectors. I am a reader, buying comics for the story and placing little value on having all the single issues or owning a certain edition of a graphic novel. Collectors are also readers, but they also strive to have complete collections and signed editions, or valuable items, etc... Prospectors are the types who will buy entire boxes of random comics in hope that they may contain something of value, whether they are interested in the series or not.
As a reader, I definitely prefer TPBs and graphic novels. They are easier to lend out and are not as unwieldly as comic books. Give me a TPB any day!
--Lillian pajkub
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I prefer single issues when at home. I like it. Part of an story is the atmosphere or ambiance, whatever, and for comics, the wait is part of that. Will having the entire series in one place change the way we read the story? Yes. Because the anticipation of waiting for the next installment is missing. Will it lessen the quality of the story? No. If the story itself is not worth the read, then people who aren't the collectors tend not to give a flying rat's bottom and simply do not bother to buy the individual issues. If they like the story but don't care enough or are not interested enough to buy the monthly issues, then generally these are the trade paperback readers. when they see the new t.b. they might pick it up if they have the spare cash. So, yeah, you'll find a lot of comic writers who try to give that cliff hang ending on their stuff to to try to keep people coming back for more. I have all the individual issues of SIP that I can get my hands on. Not because I consider myself a collector or a prospector, but because when I genuinely care about a comic/story, I like having it in that form. I have most of the tpb's for SIP because it's easier when I travel and don't want to damage the singles. Also I have the abiding hope that one of these days I will get even one of my friends to actually sit and read the series so I have someone to share my joy with.
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if the world is going nuts, who has the nutcracker?
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i buy both. buying trades and single issues has prevented me from eating lunch sometimes. i've lost a few pounds to that. who knew Terry Moore was also a health expert.
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laughing is the only way i can keep from screaming .
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I'm addicted to my weekly fix of comics, but if SiP was the only thing I read I'd just stick to trades, mostly because Terry takes advantage of the 22 pages breaks and I don't like the intentional cliffhanger on 80% of the issues.
Well, maybe cliffhanger is the wrong word, but I refer to his annoying habit of bringing up questions and pushing the answer back by a page or two, often needlesly, to the next issue. Arcs read together are very satisfying tho'.....
Heck, what if Terry just did 1 or 2 graphic novels a year on SiP? Full story arcs in a nice neat package? Think of the time he'd save. Only 1 color cover per book, no annoying letters pages to assemble, only having to deal with the printer once or twice a year, not having to stuff envelopes and mail subscriber copies....
I'd go for that, but I imagine he makes more money the way he does it now.......
c'est la guerre....
Darth
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'If a man is willing to die, he can be killed'
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
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Well, I say, Why can't we have BOTH. I love reading the trades because you get huge chucks of storyline at a time. On the other h and I LOVE the coler art o n each single issue, and I go NUTS waiting those 6 weeks between issues as it is, getting TPB or hardbacks 3 times a year would probably KILL me.
Plus, I am pretty rabid about collecting once I get into something...so I am trying to get EVERYTHING...TPB, issues and hardbacks. (YOU should see how much I spend on eBay)
Thanks
Lyric054
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I started out with the first 2 tpb's, and then moved to issues. I like tpb's better. It's just a lot nicer to be able to read an arc in it's entirety than to have to read about twenty pages a month for six months. And, I've noticed how much better the story seems to flow after reading all the issues in the course of a few days. I pick up a lot more of the subtleties which get forgotten over that six week wait.
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For me, I really like the issues, my favourite cover of all time has Veronica on the cover in front of the window http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smile.gif I thought I looked great it that one http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/wink.gif
I have all issues from 25-44, and one trade paperback. I'm not crazy about Trades actually, I much prefer keeping the single issues and going through them one at at a time, and reading the SIP mail at the end.
Even though Terry has sometimes put me a in a bad light, I still love him http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/wink.gif
PS Terry, how about going to the past and seeing more of Vernoica, Freddy, etc?
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I'm an issue person. I collect comics of numerous types and anything I read regularly I want in issue form (the original way is how I think of it). I also have several trades and enjoy them as ways to reread the series.
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The ninja lesbian milk getter. aka dorkflakes.
Take the time to look up at the moon and stars.
ChatterBox
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Issues to follow the story(so that pleasure can be had more often), and tpb to look at/read the story regularly after that.
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Both.
I started buying the single issues.
And then I started buying the trades and giving away the single issues to non-comic fans (I still believe the person who has my signed first prints of the Antartic run has no idea what some people would pay for those).
And then I started buying the hardcovers.
Right now, I stopped buying the trades. I buy the single issues, and then get the hard covers and then give away the single issues to non-comic fans.
It is a tough world. Spreading around SiP makes it better.
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-RT
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ACK! Give away my single issues? Never! I dunno... I like having all the sigles for a series that I'm interested in. Sometimes I buy the special issues (Image has a bad habit of printing multiple covers for the same issue) but it can get ridiculous. Trades are better for going back and rereading the series simply because its a b*tch to open all the bags of singles. And I don't really have the $$ to spend on Trades. I guess it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing I have all the singles to SiP. Plus it was fun trying to find all the missing issues of SiP (I now have a complete SiP library although some gold logos need their first print mates). Trades will come later when the series ends, which I hope is not soon.
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Okay - deinitive answer.
ISSUE BY ISSUE.
WHY?
Beacause as a newbie fan of SIP - I bought eight TRADES AT ONCE - I find I cannot wait the three-four months between TPB'S. Partially, because I come to this board daily while working and I HATE BEING OUTTA THE LOOP!
I even buy those (sorry TERRY) those pretty boring PARADISE TOO issues even though they are full of 'political cartoons' and stream of conciousness doodles I buy to keep TERRY in hock to make more SIP! I do read them TERRY, I do. BUT IT AIN'T TO YOUR LEVEL!
I KNOW you want to be a Cartoonist! BIG 'C' Like SCOTT ADAMS. I know you want to be the next Charles Shultz.
But for a moment Terry, stop a minute and see how much more you already ARE! REST HIS SOUL - but C.S. ain't YOU!
You Terry, make one of the VERY BEST TOTALLY Independent comic books in the world right now. WOMEN like me - snap up your comics like mad. YOU SHOW ME A DEMOGRAPHIC THAT DC, IMAGE OR MARVEL HAS ON THAT!
I didn't think so.
Terry, you are the best at what you do. I don't know if it is the DEVIL, GOD, or ROBYN MOORE (sorry ROBYN for placing you in there, but I was trying to make a point) that makes you SO good at making women as - WOMEN - whatever it is. It is a gift that NO SUNDAY cartoonist before or ever ever will have.
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You grew up in that house by the power lines, didn't you Tina?
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And then I started buying the trades and giving away the single issues to non-comic fans (I still believe the person who has my signed first prints of the Antartic run has no idea what some people would pay for those).
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You do WHAT?
Not to sound like a spaz comic geek, but I never lend out comics worth more than cover price, because I don't what my friend to feel bad if they destroy them, and put them in a jam to replace them(which all of my friends would do...).
I never let signed books outta my sight, 'cause they are usually irrepacable.
For instance, I have a Punisher #1 signed by Garth Ennis, Steve Dillion, Tim Bradstreet, Jimmy Palmiotti, and Joe Quesada with sketches on the cover by Dillon and Palmiotti. Absolutly irreplacable(especailly cause Dillon rarely hops the pond), and if one of my friends ruined it, I'd be torn between understanding that my friend is only human and wanting to kick his @$$.
I'd have to settle for some serious guilt payments, but who really wants to do that to a good friend, huh?
Anyhoo, I usually only lend people the 1st 2 trades, v1 and I Dream of You. If they want more I make'em buy their own...hey, Terry's gotta eat, doesn't he?
Darth
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'We both know what memories can bring,
They bring diamonds and rust'
-Judas Priest, Diamonds and Rust
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Being single, child-free, living rent-controlled, lucky to have a decent paying job... I buy at least 2 issues of SIP. One is MINE. The other gets passed around to whoever needs it. I buy the trades for my new converts. Sometimes I'll leave an issue on a train just for someone else to have a fateful encounter with the Girls. I gave a young girl I saw on a bus looking bored an issue of SIP I just read (I think it was Vol. 2 issue 1 - the color one) and maybe, just maybe gave her a few moments of pleasure.
I see as similar to leaving a big tip because the service is good. I show my appreciation with my wallet. When I'm back in debt and in need of a comic, I know dozens of people who will come through for me. Random Acts of Kindness repay themselves tenfold...
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from Brooklyn
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Sweet Christmas!!!
I was at the San Diego Comic Con earlier this year, and I've always had a interest in SiP, but never picked it up, I just read Wizard's little summery (when they did it) but that all changed! When I met the lovely Robin Moore! She convinced me to buy the box set (1 - 3) which wasn't too hard because Terry was right next to her. So he signed my box set, and then She was talking to this other guy and pulled out all the TPB's to that point (#9) and so I bought those up. I buy all the TPB's and hopefully I can pick up the singles sometime in the future. But I do go crazy waitin' for the next TPB. I make do re-re-readin' the trades that I do have.
That's my story
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I got Volume 10 of SiP, when's the next one?
I can't wait!
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For me, each has their own pros and cons. I started out only getting the TPBs (as I do with Rising Stars, Authority, all of Alan Moore's stuff, and Preacher before). However once, I went to the store because I thought the new trade (Sanctuary) was out, but discovered it wasn't due for another 2 weeks. I was so disappointed and my SiP craving so strong I bought all the back issues the store had! And I started getting it issue by issue since then. I still buy TPBs for my friends, though to convert them. :-)
TPBs, when it was the format in which I first read the earlier stories, helped me understand the overall story better. All the little details that connected between issues came together easily. Now, I sometimes forget certain points between issues because six weeks is a bit long and I read dozens of other comics too.
But what I love about single issues is exactly what some of you don't: the cliffhangers. When reading the trades, I never felt any suspense when Katchoo was shot or when Tambi dropped her from a balcony or when Katchoo was yelling to Fran over the phone that David was one of Darcy's people. Heck, I hardly knew the divisions between issues in the TPBs. And the fact that there were more pages kinda made me feel "Nah, something will happen to change this."
But when I started with the single issues, the cliffhangeres were amazingly effective! I was much more emotionally involved! When I thought David died in the plane crash, I was actually depressed for days! And of course, who can forget the last three issues? Also, when the story is left hanging, there is a lot to discuss and speculate about here online which makes it more fun. Terry knows how to make the most of the serial nature of comics.
So I think whether you collect in trades or single issues, there are definitely ways that SiP will shine as a fantastic story.
ntu-150
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i'm lucky enough to have the book bestowed upon me, so i'll take what i can get. i love the trades myself... but that's just my preference. it's how i read Akira, Alan Moore stuff, etc. the single issues really grip me and pick me up... then i'm left to try and sneak peeks at Terry's desk until the next issue is released. ::sigh::
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The official honorary son of Terry Moore. :)
