Question about drummers!

OK I have said this before - I am a flashy Drummer (I.E. stick twirling, throwing sticks, etc...) However my playing style is more like Phil Rudd [img]eek.gif[/img] I have listened to some ac/dc cds that he is on and 1 in particular has NOT one fill on the whole dang cd!!! Now would you rather have a drummer who keeps great time and doesnt do alot of fills BUT is VERY dedicated to the band, or a drummer who just plain kicks ass but quits in 3 weeks? Would you show loyalty to the PLAIN drummer? Once you are successful others that are better are bound to come out of the woodwork wanting to play!

here's the thing ,drummers and bass players are the most important part of any band , So that being said...fills and flash are great if that's what your into but that doesn't make a kick ass drummer.great timing and setting a groove and pocket are the important thing , ..so to answer your question i rather have the straight drummer with great timing behind me.That's why when i look for drummer i have them play gospel or funk,no fills straight groove...ya dig

Speaking as a drummer myself, I reckon the groove is EVERYTHING. Fills are just adornment, if you're timekeeping's shit then your fills count for nothing.

I've encountered many a drummer that'z flashy az hell, twirling stickz and what not but can't even keep fucking time. I'd rather have a boring drummer behind the kit who couldn't twirl a stick for shit but could keep excellent time and added great fillz etc than a drummer that did nothing but show off behind the kit that sounded like he was building a fucking shed.

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Originally posted by Andii Vamp:
I've encountered many a drummer that'z flashy az hell, twirling stickz and what not but can't even keep fucking time. I'd rather have a boring drummer behind the kit who couldn't twirl a stick for shit but could keep excellent time and added great fillz etc than a drummer that did nothing but show off behind the kit that sounded like he was building a fucking shed.

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<font size="3" face="Arial">LMFAO - Building a shed? hehe. I guess that I was saying that I am flashy with my sticks but my playing is kinda, well, normal. There are lots of drummers that are better - I CANT solo at all - but I am really dedicated to a band once I get into it. I have a new lease on life now and can spend time trying to make great music with someone. I might even travel to Canada one day *nudge nudge Spin Dizzy* heh! I just paid the most sought after drum teacher around here for lessons to get my chops up - $100.00 an hour (and YES, he is THAT good of a teacher!) I am gonna blow some minds soon! When I get my chops up - I am hitting the road AGAIN! I am pissed about FINK! Moved my WHOLE freekin life 1500 miles and they give up! WTF???

Soloing izn't everything you know... it'z how tight you are when playing songz in a band that really matterz if you ask me. I personally hate drum soloz, i find them boring. Oh yeah sure playing flashy with the stickz iz also great IF the drummer can keep the frigging time and iz an all round good tight drummer, but otherwise, like i said, i'd take timing and tightness over flashy stick twirling any day so i could end up with a drummer behind the kit that just sat there with a face sweeping the beer stainz off the floor and it wouldn't bother me az long az hiz actual drumming was good.

And building a shed yeah. I've had a few shed builderz in my time... what a fooking racket [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Again, I offer this question. Isn't there a machine you can buy that does exactly the same thing as a drummer can (sometimes more) and you don't have to feed or pay it??? [img]biggrin.gif[/img] lol

Yep, and you only have to bang it into it once too [img]wink.gif[/img]

Sorry drummerz out there, just kidding of course heh! [img]smile.gif[/img]

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Originally posted by Cotton Candy Lover:
Again, I offer this question. Isn't there a machine you can buy that does exactly the same thing as a drummer can (sometimes more) and you don't have to feed or pay it??? [img]biggrin.gif[/img] lol

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<font size="3" face="Arial">In the studio mabey but live - it just looks better to have a drummer!

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Originally posted by GLAM DRUMMER:
In the studio mabey but live - it just looks better to have a drummer!

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<font size="3" face="Arial">not entirely true, it depends who the drummer is.

How much longer does it take to set up your average drum kit as opposed to wheeling a machine up there and plugging it in??? If it's a visual thing (drums ALSO take up a lotta space on the stage), then just put a fern or something in the space where there'd usually be a drummer. Problem of 'looking cool' solved. lol

You guys are BAD!!!!!!!!

Dummers!
First of all, timing is something that can't be ignored! It's gotta be solid!
Some drummers (no detriment to them) hardly ever play fills (AC/DC, Def Leppard etc) and then you get some where the drumming is a lot busier (Slayer, WASP, etc)
Personally I like both approaches but it comes down to whats good for the song.

My boy Mark however works both approaches and very glad to have him! Hits HARD, lots of energy, solid time-keeping ....and does lots of stick twiddling haha

A little leak from the studio but after we finish recording Hallion's next album, I'm working on a side project where I doubt there will be a drum kit. The ryhthm section will be provided by bhorans and the like. Hopefully successfully fusing Celtic music with roaring hard rock...

okay as they said up there, it's ALL about the groove; BUT timing has to come first. You need to be a solid drummer FIRST, because if you're not solid, dead on, and playing stuff where it should be (fills, etc) then whats the point? Personally, I think stick flips are obnoxious as fuck. I CAN twirl my sticks and I do a little, just because it's FUNNY to see the drummer in a punk band playin like it's 1986 (yeah the year I was born, I know, shaddup guys [img]wink.gif[/img] but I think it's played out and just annoying now.

Lycan, as for your drum machine theory...Sorry but a band is a band because of the people in it, not a band without all members.(there are a few exceptions to this rule such as Sigue Sigue Sputnik) Sure you can lay down your demos n stuff with a drum machine and stuff, but are you forgetting what it mocks to begin with? I understand that there are MILLIONS of flake drummers out there, but at the same time, there are MILLIONS of flake guitarist and bassists, or singers, or whatever. That generalization kind of makes me mad, because I know alot of drummers that are like me, and are early to every practice, always ready to rock, NOT bitching about how we do 10 times what anyone else in the band does.

Oh and 9.9 times out of ten, you can tell it's a drum machine and not an actual drummer, which just makes you look like you can't handle working with other people which in turn makes you sound like a joke.(but like I said, as with any rule, there is always exceptions; exceptions proove the rule)

It'z not alwayz a case of not being able to work with people though. Some drummerz are just plain fucking lazy or it can be hard to come by a drummer when you need one [img]smile.gif[/img]

if you really need to find a drummer Andii ...just order a pizza

lmfao!