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Which again makes Yales censorship Policy EXTREMELY relevant.
"depiction of violence" is one of the examples Yale can use to confiscate a film...
Even though a movie can be 100% against violence, it still may need to show some type of violent moment for the sake of the story.
In a restaurant, they are allowed to say "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"
But this is different. Imagine you had to bring your own plates, spoons and forks to a restaurant, they refuse to serve you, and they keep your utensils that you brought in.
Or, they smash them to pieces, and then give them back to you....
I think it's great that Yale cares about what they process, but their warning seems to be far too reaching in scope.
-Alex
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Alex--
I don't want this thread to turn into a debate on censorship. I agree with you about Yale's crazy policy. However, I am simply trying to tell everyone out there where they can get this film processed. Also, as far as I know Yale has never censored stock that has only been processed. I don't know this for sure since I don't use them. If you want to start a Yale thread then go for it. I will join in on the bashing.
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Wow I was going to use them. Has anyone had there film taken by Yale?
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Well, I thought that if one lab can process 16/35mm ECN2 film--then they should be able to process it is S8. I was wrong. I spoke with about six labs this morning--this what they had to say--
1. They were sure that I was wrong and I was talking about Super8 Sound's film. Thus, I needed to call them.
2. Kodak has not informed them--which made me a crackpot.
3. They were nice and spent time talking with me but informed me that their machine was not set for S8 and at this point they have no plans on changing it.
The search continues. As of now, it looks like Yale and Super8 Sound are it. I will make some more calls today.
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That is the million dollar question.
-Alex
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Alex,
where do you get your film processed?
I need help too on a special effect!
I want to show a 10 sec. sequence in the opening credits backwards, how can I do this,
or will a lab do this??
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I put a call in to my very special friend at the office of Unspecified Services...hopefully they can give me additional info.
-Alex
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Applecore, check out thread: "Using a light meter w/ my Canon 814" on 1st page for a discussion of Walmart processing.
BTW: "Tone down the violence" so as not to offend the film processing lab?
If the violence is not an important part of your story and Yale is the only lab left in the world, OK (though personally, I'd develop it myself if it came to that)
But if the level of violence (which is part of life) is an integral part of the story, isn't your artistic vision more important than some vague "decency" code at one of several labs?
I don't mean to sound righteous, and hell knows I've let practical needs run roughshod all over my idealistic principles from time to time, but small movies are all about freedom.
Yeah, OK, freedom from fame and money and sanity...but more importantly freedom from other people telling you what to do, what to say or how to say it.
As Don Siegel would say, "Don't give in to the Pod People."
Keep shooting.
Bernie
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Alex--
I agree with you on many issues. However, the last I checked a foot is foot no matter how many frames are in it. We are talking about a machine that does not care about frames. Have you ever been charged by frames shot for movie film? Or have you ever bought film by the frame(Movie Film)?
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by capul8:
Applecore, check out thread: "Using a light meter w/ my Canon 814" on 1st page for a discussion of Walmart processing.
BTW: "Tone down the violence" so as not to offend the film processing lab?
If the violence is not an important part of your story and Yale is the only lab left in the world, OK (though personally, I'd develop it myself if it came to that)
But if the level of violence (which is part of life) is an integral part of the story, isn't your artistic vision more important than some vague "decency" code at one of several labs?
I don't mean to sound righteous, and hell knows I've let practical needs run roughshod all over my idealistic principles from time to time, but small movies are all about freedom.
Yeah, OK, freedom from fame and money and sanity...but more importantly freedom from other people telling you what to do, what to say or how to say it.
As Don Siegel would say, "Don't give in to the Pod People."
Keep shooting.
Bernie<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I would be rightous too, but with 50 rolls of film 4 dollars more for processing can add up, and when Vision is already putting me way over budget, another 200 dollars just puts the icing on the cake - maybe thats the wrong thingy to use, but you know what i mean. The violence is pretty important, but I've lately been playing around with "implied" viiolence. That's what I meant by cut back. Same death, just not showing as much.
There is certain images that have to be there, because if they are not then what you do is soften the reality of death and violence. Kind of like showing orgie after orgie with no STD's, kids, etc. If I show "sin" in films, its gonna have consequence, and its not going to be pretty.
The question still remains though - has anybody ever known anyone to loose their film to Yale during processing?
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nigel, you're obviously right, but you don't base your budget on the number feet do you? i usually start with how many minutes i need for the shooting ratio i want, and then calculate how many feet i need in the gauge i'm planning on using. :-)
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Here is what I have found:
Yale--16.00USD
Cinelab(Boston)--20.00USD
Super8 Sound--20.00USD
That is 40 cents per foot for Cinelab and Super8 Sound, 32 cents per foot for Yale. These prices are very high considering that you can get the same stock processed in 16mm for half that.
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Well, I may have to tone down the violence in my next film and use Yale. Or maybe just shoot it Kodachrome. I was really hoping to do it Vision 200T, but with the stock and processing being so much more expensive, and then the Rank Transfer, I don't think I can afford to fork out that much on this one. Maybe I can sell some copies of it on VCD or something and get the money to shoot Vision next time.
BTW - anybody from the DFW metroplex use a Walmart to process Kodachrome? If you do, has it worked? Which one (or ones) have you used? Which is the best? I sent directly to Kodak on my last one, and used Ektachrome for all of my films before that... Thanks in advance.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nigel:
Here is what I have found:
Yale--16.00USD
Cinelab(Boston)--20.00USD
Super8 Sound--20.00USD
That is 40 cents per foot for Cinelab and Super8 Sound, 32 cents per foot for Yale. These prices are very high considering that you can get the same stock processed in 16mm for half that.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wait a minute, if Super-8 has double the frames per foot, the actual final cost is 20 cents or 16 cents per foot as a direct comparison to 16mm.
Effectively the same price as 16mm, your trade offs are faster shooting time, smaller crew, lighter gear with less power required to run it in Super-8,
In 16, you get a "better" picture, with more people-power requirements.
-Alex
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nigel:
Alex--
I agree with you on many issues. However, the last I checked a foot is foot no matter how many frames are in it. We are talking about a machine that does not care about frames. Have you ever been charged by frames shot for movie film? Or have you ever bought film by the frame(Movie Film)?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Another way to look at it, 50 feet of Super-8mm equals 100 feet of 16mm for the same running time.
So, even if Super-8 is twice the cost per foot, it in actuality is the same cost for the running time.
If the demand continues to grow for Super-8, the ensuing competition would probably drive the price down.
Now if we could just get the rank transfer prices down to $125-150 per hour.
-Alex
[This message has been edited by Alex (edited April 06, 2001).]
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Matt--
I do look at how many minutes I want to shoot for how long I think the scene will run on screen--I like to do a 4:1 ratio or higher when possible. I still don't think that twice the price per foot is really worth it at this point.
Alex--
Yes you are correct. If we could get people to really rally behind labs on this then the price will come down. I will gladly pay the same price per foot as 16mm. As for Xfer rates they will be dropping soon.
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I'm awed by your stubbornness!
-Alex
[This message has been edited by Alex (edited April 07, 2001).]
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Nigel,
What do you know about Xfer rates dropping? Specific labs? All labs? Can you be more specific? Thanks--
/Pat
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Pat--
CinePost in Atlanta charges 225 an hour which is less than Super8 Sound and Yale. As far as I know these are the only three places in the nation that have RANK S8 Xfer. I have heard rumours and I must say at this point that is all they are--But a post house in Minnesota is looking at buying a S8 gate for their Bosch Film Reader. This will be another element to rates.
Also, if more and more people demand more than three labs for Xfering than I would think that more and more labs would buy S8 gates.
Rates are not down to 150 per hour but I don't see why they won't get that low in a year or two. The best thing that could happen would be for Yale and Super8 SOund to have a price war!!!
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Nigel,
I completely agree. 150/hour would be exciting. Obviously, keep us posted if another lab picks up an S8 gate...
In the meantime, I'll keep CinePost in biz!
/Pat
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Doesn't Colorlab in Rockville MD rank transfer S8? As I remeber they're way expensive.
BTW: Didn't Cintel recently go belly-up?
Any side effects from that for us?
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I will investigate Colorlab. I have no clue about Cintel's state of affairs.
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Well, I just looked at the colorlab website. On the site they said nothing about S8 Xfers. However, in their PDF price list they do show S8 as an Xfer format. I am going to call them and find out for sure.
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i don't know if colorlab does super 8, but i do know they are the best lab there is as far as customer service goes. they always respond to email very fast, often suggesting where to take your stuff if they don't offer what you asked for and the people at their nyc office are great (compared to the trash at duart they're gods). and people say they are the only ones who don't run their b&w baths hot, which i believe since b&w always looks better when run at colorlab. and no, i don't work there... :-)
