MovieStuff Transfers: Open for Bidness'

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February 18th, 2002, 11:43 AM
jocko

RANK WHO?
GO Roger!....Man, is this guy a genius or what?

Neil
Jocko Films

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February 18th, 2002, 01:01 PM
MovieStuff

Thank you! (though the moniker "genius" is HIGHLY debatable)

I must admit here and now that the name "DV8" is not original. SOMEone on this board suggested the name during the WorkPrinter's temporary identity crisis, months ago. I don't remember who suggested it and, frankly, am too lazy to search through the archives to find out. But I remember thinking it was a damned good name so, whoever it was out there, I really appreciate the suggestion!

A little more about the unit:

For starters, my wife will handling most all of the transfers. She is an ace colorist and has a MUCH better eye than me for color correction. Her name is Annette and after I revamp my website, she will be the "go to" person for all transfers (I'm much too busy playing catch up on WorkPrinter orders!).

Second, this unit is based on the same principle as the WorkPrinter; namely that each frame is absolutely stationary during transfer with no shutter and no movement of any kind. I have dubbed this function "PulseGate" technology (clever, huh?). The end result is zero flicker, rock solid registration more stable than a Rank.

Next, the DV8 uses an "open air" architecture where the film avoids any type of channels or surfaces that might scratch the film. The gate touches only the outer edges of the film, well away from the picture area. Also, as seen in this photo, I designed special rollers that have O-Ring inserts for the film to ride on.

http://www.afterimagephoto.tv/rollers.jpg

Again, the rubber O-Rings only touch the edges of the film, making scratches virtually impossible.

I am still finalizing my pricing but, as always, it is my goal to offer something that is super cost effective (read cheap) for the super 8 and 8mm user. As the name implies, I will be transferring primarily to miniDV but can also transfer to VHS, SVHS and, on special order, BetaSP.

Roger

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Roger Evans
MovieStuff
http://www.afterimagephoto.tv/moviestuff.html
February 18th, 2002, 02:58 PM
avortex

Roger... I'm very impressed too. But, as always, I would like to know if you will make PAL transfers with this wonderful unit. All european filmmakers like me will love you.

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February 18th, 2002, 03:13 PM
MovieStuff

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by avortex:
Roger... I'm very impressed too. But, as always, I would like to know if you will make PAL transfers with this wonderful unit. All european filmmakers like me will love you.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm feeling the love already.

I'm thinking of exporting footage as numbered still sequences for PAL use. Kind of cumbersome I suppose but would avoid the entire NTSC/PAL problem as it would simply be an animated sequence that the PAL user would import and render out on their computer. There would be a slight difference in resolution between PAL and NTSC but not much to speak of.

Roger

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Roger Evans
MovieStuff
http://www.afterimagephoto.tv/moviestuff.html
February 18th, 2002, 04:48 PM
MovieStuff

http://www.afterimagephoto.tv/nodal_head.jpg

This object is:
A) Gyroscope from old Soviet MIG
B) Paint shaker from Home Depot
C) Nodal Point Remote Head from the DV8 Transfer Unit

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Roger Evans
MovieStuff http://www.afterimagephoto.tv/moviestuff.html

[This message has been edited by MovieStuff (edited February 18, 2002).]
February 18th, 2002, 04:51 PM
MovieStuff

http://www.afterimagephoto.tv/gears.jpg

This object is:
A) Transmission from a '57 Edsel
B) Gear box from a circa 1924 Maytag
C) Frame Capture Timing assembly from the DV8 Transfer Unit

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Roger Evans
MovieStuff
http://www.afterimagephoto.tv/moviestuff.html
February 18th, 2002, 04:53 PM
MovieStuff

http://www.afterimagephoto.tv/machine.jpg

This object is:
A) Reel to Reel deck from Elvis's studio
B) Univac Computer from 1972
C) The DV8 Transfer Unit

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Roger Evans
MovieStuff
http://www.afterimagephoto.tv/moviestuff.html
February 18th, 2002, 04:54 PM
MovieStuff

http://www.afterimagephoto.tv/ad_big.jpg

More info to come! Stay tuned.....

Roger

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Roger Evans
MovieStuff
http://www.afterimagephoto.tv/moviestuff.html
February 18th, 2002, 05:17 PM
Steve Mick

Roger,

I may be a S8 newbie, but I think the entire S8 community owes you a debt of gratitude for both your support on forums like this and your inventive transfer solutions.

As for your Transfer service, I'll gladly be one of the first in line.

Thanks,

Steve Mick

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February 18th, 2002, 05:24 PM
Jean Poirier

This is great. Will film spliced with w?rker tapes will be strong enough?
Many many thanks.

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February 18th, 2002, 05:58 PM
MovieStuff

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Jean Poirier:
This is great. Will film spliced with w?rker tapes will be strong enough?
Many many thanks.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're quite welcome. The DV8 is pretty splice friendly. The tension is minimal as it uses the edges of the film for lateral registration and does not require tension to keep the film "flat". The only requirement on splices is that they are fresh, with no upturned edges on the leading edge and that the sprocket holes are not clogged. Basically, the same requirements as for any good splice meant for projection will suffice.

Roger

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Roger Evans
MovieStuff
http://www.afterimagephoto.tv/moviestuff.html
February 18th, 2002, 07:53 PM
Matt Pacini

Roger, so is there still a pull-down claw & gate?
Is it an "UltraSuper8" enlarged gate, or regular S8 gate?
I'm just curious about the gate & transport mechanism.

Matt Pacini

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February 18th, 2002, 08:37 PM
Hanthx

Wzy to go Roger!

Can't wait to see the results.

Scott

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February 18th, 2002, 11:45 PM
MovieStuff

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Matt Pacini:
Roger, so is there still a pull-down claw & gate?
Is it an "UltraSuper8" enlarged gate, or regular S8 gate?
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There is an "Ultra 8" enlarged gate and a traditional pull down claw. However, there are no sprockets; only the rollers like I showed above. The film is handled totally by the edges.

The light source is dead nuts 3200K and can be filtered as desired. The unit has the ability to crop in to remove the sprocket holes and edges, can be panned to any location within the frame or can be zoomed out to see the entire frame out to the edges including the sprocket holes.

Also, (ta-dah!) the DV8 can do HORIZON CORRECTION! Yes folks, you heard right. If you shot your titles crooked or didn't have that camera level to the horizon, we can easily correct that during transfer with the press of a button.

Any other questions? http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smile.gif

Roger

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Roger Evans
MovieStuff
http://www.afterimagephoto.tv/moviestuff.html
February 19th, 2002, 01:44 AM
Jean Poirier

I guess the video resolution will be around 500 lines with a betacam tape?

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February 19th, 2002, 02:04 AM
souper8

Roger,
With someone like you around, super 8 is going to be around for a lot longer. Thanks so much for your contributions to our community.

I have some questions about the service. Can the frames be sent to us on CDRom discs or some sort of computer storage also? I was thinking we could edit and do our post work on uncompressed higher resolution 24fps files before transferring to tape? Would there be any benifits to receive files that way compared to miniDV?

souper8

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February 19th, 2002, 03:15 AM
Scottness

Your a legend mate!

Scot M

(wish I had something ready to transfer now - I would have sent In My Image to you)

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February 19th, 2002, 04:10 AM
crimsonson

DAMN DAMN DAMN

I was going to say those where left overs from PAlo ALto research facility but DV8 is better!!!

BTW - I suggested " DV8 "
I have left my mark on the world of film
I could die in piece http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/wink.gif

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February 19th, 2002, 02:32 PM
crimsonson

dont forget to post to the other forum and newsgroups

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February 19th, 2002, 04:18 PM
MovieStuff

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Jean Poirier:
I guess the video resolution will be around 500 lines with a betacam tape?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

More or less. BetacamSP really only pumps about 400+ lines but because it operates in the component domain, the resolution appears higher. The camera I'm using has 700+ lines, so the image is very, very sharp, even on miniDV.

Roger

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Roger Evans
MovieStuff
http://www.afterimagephoto.tv/moviestuff.html
February 19th, 2002, 04:29 PM
MovieStuff

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by souper8:
Roger,
With someone like you around, super 8 is going to be around for a lot longer. Thanks so much for your contributions to our community.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's really nothing. I just dig working with other film makers and always have. I doubt I'll have much impact on the super 8 community but thanks for the compliment.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by souper8:

Can the frames be sent to us on CDRom discs or some sort of computer storage also? I was thinking we could edit and do our post work on uncompressed higher resolution 24fps files before transferring to tape? Would there be any benifits to receive files that way compared to miniDV?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, as it stands, the DV8 takes about 20 minutes to transfer 50 feet. I purposely made the transport slow and steady; more like an optical printer. Also, it lets us monitor and correct exposures on the fly, if necessary, so that only a few frames of raw footage are affected by density or color shifts. To also export the final footage as still frames would only add to the time involved and I really don't think you'd see a benefit for the additional cost it would create.

Besides, if I increased my capture data rate to 13 megs per second, which is as high as I can go, a CD won't hold much information. As it stands, you can fit about 60 seconds of BetaSP quality (6mps) material on a CD. That's how I archive commercials I produce and 60 seconds is pretty much the max, depending on how much movement there is. So I don't think the still frame route is worth it, really. The miniDV transfers I've done so far are stunning. Really nice.

Roger

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Roger Evans
MovieStuff
http://www.afterimagephoto.tv/moviestuff.html
February 19th, 2002, 04:32 PM
MovieStuff

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Scottness:
Your a legend mate!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, please! I'm blushing here. Thanks for the kind words everyone but I'm not worthy, really.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Scottness:

(wish I had something ready to transfer now - I would have sent In My Image to you)
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I think you're down in PAL country. I'm still trying to figure out how to accomodate that format without having to export a ton of still frames sequences. But if you want to send me some out-takes that match footage you've already Ranked, it would be fun to see a comparison. I have no expectations that the DV8 will be better but it would be interesting to see what the differences are.

Roger

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Roger Evans
MovieStuff
http://www.afterimagephoto.tv/moviestuff.html
February 19th, 2002, 04:43 PM
Lor

Thanks for all the work, Roger.

Are you going to test my films with that or just the WP? I emailed you couple times, but no reply. Can you give me an update whether you have time to transfer my film yet? Thanks.

Alex

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February 19th, 2002, 04:49 PM
MovieStuff

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Lor:
Thanks for all the work, Roger.

Are you going to test my films with that or just the WP? I emailed you couple times, but no reply. Can you give me an update whether you have time to transfer my film yet? Thanks.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi!

I just finished your test roll using the DV8. It looked really nice. Some of the footage seemed a little soft but the lighting was really nice, especially on the shots inside of the lady and her baby. Also, did you change cameras in mid-roll? The frame line shifted several times, depending on whether it was inside or outside, it seemed. I wasn't sure what was going on. I corrected the shift but was just curious.

Roger

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Roger Evans
MovieStuff
http://www.afterimagephoto.tv/moviestuff.html
February 19th, 2002, 05:01 PM
ulrichsd

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by MovieStuff:
especially on the shots inside of the lady and... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow!!! How did you get shots of the inside of a lady?! He,he... I guess you didn't get that stuff processed at Yale then, eh? http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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February 19th, 2002, 05:25 PM
Lor

No, it was inside the house not what you're thinking. http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Roger, I did change camera. I was testing out the slow mo on the other camera. Thanks a lot.

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February 19th, 2002, 05:26 PM
Lor

No, it was inside the house not what you're thinking. http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Roger, I did change camera. I was testing out the slow mo on the other camera. Thanks a lot.

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February 20th, 2002, 12:06 AM
Scottness

Hi roger - yeah that'd be cool - I'll send you a roll with a cd of it transfered as an .avi file (is that format okay? - or would you prefer a minidv tape?) --- I think as far as pal systems go the best thing might just be to buy some pal gear -- a tv and vcr -- these things are pretty cheap in Australian right now (for the low end of the market - but still reasonable quality I think) -- remember too your dollar is worth twice as much as ours and at the moment you can get vcr's for about $299 Australian and tv's for the same --- if you really wanted I'm sure you could order one over the net somewhere -- I don't know - I'm not too technical myself but I imagine working in the gear/format is probably better than trying to get around it some other way

Anyway where do I send the dtuff to - is the address on your site?

Scot M

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