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I have found the man to make one and it will be done within the next couple months. He has been featured on the cover of european car magizine 4 times for building porsches that run 24hours of sebring, and the like. He has relocated to TN. He has looked at the JR setup and said it would be a easy task to have it intercooled. I do not have any idea what he is planning to do, but he has talked about a front mount intercooler. Right now this is an ongoing project for my car which he says will be a very respectable gain. He needed a JRSC intake mani to work with. So I called shawn at JR(moss) and he sent me one for cheap(ground deliverey). I do not know of his exact plans but seeing the work he has done and riding in his 670Hp 600FBT 911 twin turbo that he states is weak(detuned) I will trust him. I will give more info as time goes on. This should be a 2 month thing at max he said! so we will just wait and see.
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JRSC @8psi RC 270's, cartech 2025i water inj, jr map mod, vpac, JR BTC, dcsports 4-1, apex-i N1 catback 2.1/4", 2.1/4" test pipe, Zip22 02 sim, J&S safeguard, fuel pump, aluminum fly(6.5)lb, center force dual friction clutch. A/F gauge, FP gauge, boostgauge, EGT gauge, MSD digital 6, blaster coil, MSD cap, magnacore wires, J&S dual monitor.
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Please inform us of any new information you recieve. Thanks for being the guinea pig! Good luck.
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95'GSR w/JRSC at 6psi.
1/8 mi. 8.44 at 81mph.
Hp 226.7 torque 159.8
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I will!! from what I have heard I should be done in the next month or 2. I also see a BOV in the near future http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smile.gif
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JRSC @8psi RC 270's, cartech 2025i water inj, jr map mod, vpac, JR BTC, dcsports 4-1, apex-i N1 catback 2.1/4", 2.1/4" test pipe, Zip22 02 sim, J&S safeguard, fuel pump, aluminum fly(6.5)lb, center force dual friction clutch. A/F gauge, FP gauge, boostgauge, EGT gauge, MSD digital 6, blaster coil, MSD cap, magnacore wires, J&S dual monitor.
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do you think we will lose any power or have a lag if the cooler is front mounted? Why? Cuz wouldn't the pipe have to go all the way around though the cooler to the intake manafold? Wouldn't this long neck of piping hurt power?
Just a thought though! I can't wait to see what he does! http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smile.gif
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Mike Marsey
'98 ITR #0717
Supercharged w/260whp & 170trq
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WOW....... Keep us informed on the progress of the Intercooler!!!!!
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95 EX w/ SC JDM B16
210WHP/144ft-lbs
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Not that I have a problem with a BOV, but it isn't really needed. I guess it would be just for the sound and not for it's soel purpose. That's cool though. MAN I CAN'T WAIT FOR AN INTERCOOLER!!!!!
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95'GSR w/JRSC at 6psi.
1/8 mi. 8.44 at 81mph.
Hp 226.7 torque 159.8
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Great news,
Make sure you keep letting this guy know how many of theese you'll be able to sell for him http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/wink.gif
Definitely keep us posted!!
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98 GSR JRSC 8psi (SSBP)
/ Hondata 4B (w/ RC 440cc injectors) / J&S Safeguard / DC 4-2-1 Header / FREE flow Cat / Moroso "Catchcan" / A.C.T. XTSS Clutch / Billstien Shocks / H&R OE Sports / Skunk2 Rear Swaybar / 3pc DC Sports Tie Bars / Toyo Proxes
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WOW! That's cool bro. Did he give you any idea on what the cost will be?
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1995 Integra GS-R
JRSC 2 psi:(
AEM CAI
AEM Pulleys
Unorthodox Crank Pulley
Heddman Hedder
Random Technology Hi Flo Cat
Trust Cat Back Exhaust
Neuspeed Springs
Tokico Shocks
ACT Stage 2 Clutch
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OMG i'll be so excited if theres a intercooler for the jrsc. Good luck dude, and keep us informed.
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the jrsc weak link (missing link) may be a thing of the past . its a good thing . just curious , where would a bov come into play with a roots blower ? just to make that cool PHHHIISSSTTT!! sound ?
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99' GSR / JRSC @ 6psi
-JR MAP & BTC
-Walbro 342
-Comptech exhaust & intake/icebox
-Comptech/Koni coilovers
-Mugen 22mm rear sway bar
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Wow! I can't wait! God, I hope it's affordable.
Do you think it'll be air/water, like the Miata's or do you think it'll be an air/air intercooler?
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6 psi JRSC GSR: 3" intake -> 217 hp/155 ft-lbs.
New: Endyn stepper, GSS342
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The blowoff valve would just be there for the sound. There would be no benifit to have it, just fun. As far as a pressure drop From what he has been telling me there WILL be a pressure drop. I am running the 8psi pulley right now and he says that I most likely will see 6psi(time for a crv pulley). But he also stated that rule of thumb for every 2 degrees we cool are intake temps=1hp. He says that the cooler will easily drop intake temps 125degrees if not more. That is a easy 50hp gain. Also running a cooler intake charge temp will be more engine friendly even know it is producing more hp. We all know as we do pulley upgrades with our blowers the heat goes up and up This will allow us to run high boost pulleys and see a good gain. I think the crv crank pulley will do very nice with the inter cooler!!! In the near future I will have before and after dyno runs, intake temp readings, different boost levels and the like. I will post more as time goes on. But I will have to email the pics to somebody who will host them for me cause I can't. later for now!!!
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JRSC @8psi RC 270's, cartech 2025i water inj, jr map mod, vpac, JR BTC, dcsports 4-1, apex-i N1 catback 2.1/4", 2.1/4" test pipe, Zip22 02 sim, J&S safeguard, fuel pump, aluminum fly(6.5)lb, center force dual friction clutch. A/F gauge, FP gauge, boostgauge, EGT gauge, MSD digital 6, blaster coil, MSD cap, magnacore wires, J&S dual monitor.
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I'm SO IN!!!!! Make Shoa that the FULL skinny is given. I'll be one of the first in line to buy this IC!!!! http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/eek.gif
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I wonder if it will be a front mounted Intercooler, a intercoller abover the JRSC (under the hood, like the old Celica turbos have) or just a plate between the SC and engine.
He should design some intake manifold where the compressed air is going to an front cooler and than back to the manifold. Is this possible?
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Blown!!! hhmmmm, I guess I?ve overboosted it
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Where will the throttle body be? Before or after the blower?
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Greg Holden
96 GSR, JSRC @10psi, All the Goodies!
Best 1/4 ==> 13.356 @ 105.92mph (non-drag street tires!)
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I wonder if it will be a front mounted Intercooler, a intercoller abover the JRSC (under the hood, like the old Celica turbos have) or just a plate between the SC and engine.
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That would be the ideal situation in my opinion. A water to air heat exchanger between the blower and the intake manifold with a radiator mounted at the front of the car. A-LA' the mythical ENDYN kit or the Autorotor supercharger vaporware. I't would seem like a fairly simple fabrication or sand casting along the lines of the GSR dual stage manifold. Picture this; Rather than the butterfly plate, install a heat exchanger designed in such a way that it could be gasketed to, and sandwitched between the blower/manifold. I't doesn't even necessarilly have to be metalic. A high strength thermoset plastic would work. All you need is a flat surface for the seal. I'm amazed that no one has done something like this yet. It seems like such an obvious and easy improvement to the JRSC design.
Mike
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What is about condensing water on the small lines. Water can dropping into the engine?
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Blown!!! hhmmmm, I guess I?ve overboosted it
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A ~2psi drop in boost would tempt a lot of us to overboost. What is the maximum boost our blowers can handle, if, for instance, the heat generated wasn't a problem? Don't they have a maximum rpm also?
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6 psi JRSC GSR: 3" intake -> 217 hp/155 ft-lbs.
New: Endyn stepper, GSS342
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Yeah, I think more than 14psi is not possible, otherwise the there will be metall to metall touch. Imagine the blower explode?! WTF would the engine l@@k like? http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/frown.gif
There is another downside when spinning the charger so fast. Hell, how many hp do you loss at 8000rpm? 40 or more http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/redface.gif
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Blown!!! hhmmmm, I guess I?ve overboosted it
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I think that the maximum velocity for a M62 (non-modified) is 14,400 rpm. Like Christian said you go beyond that and you are asking for trouble.
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96gsr 4door w/ a big hole where the motor is supposed to be!
Current daily driver = 88 civic LX hybrid JDM B16A5 - 1/4...14.6 @ 94
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How do you translate boost psi into blower rpm (velocity)?
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6 psi JRSC GSR: 3" intake -> 217 hp/155 ft-lbs.
New: Endyn stepper, GSS342
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As far as the throttle body moving it will not. For my car and the reliability of my daily driver I will never use larger than a 10.5 psi(crv) crank pulley. Most likely the bottom of the intake mani will be sealed off and the incoming air will come into the back of the manifold(machining and welding). Then the discharge air from the SC will will be routed to the front mount I/C and back to the mani. This is what I think he is doing but I will know the final result when I get him the mani from JR. Should be like 3 weeks tops
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JRSC @8psi RC 270's, cartech 2025i water inj, jr map mod, vpac, JR BTC, dcsports 4-1, apex-i N1 catback 2.1/4", 2.1/4" test pipe, Zip22 02 sim, J&S safeguard, fuel pump, aluminum fly(6.5)lb, center force dual friction clutch. A/F gauge, FP gauge, boostgauge, EGT gauge, MSD digital 6, blaster coil, MSD cap, magnacore wires, J&S dual monitor.
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Progress on the intercooler sounds interesting... a blowoff valve on a JRSC however is no better than the "N/A BOV" that we all laugh at. Just roll your windows down and make the "psshh" sound yourself if you want it that bad...
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I will keep everbody posted about the transformation!!!
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JRSC @8psi RC 270's, cartech 2025i water inj, jr map mod, vpac, JR BTC, dcsports 4-1, apex-i N1 catback 2.1/4", 2.1/4" test pipe, Zip22 02 sim, J&S safeguard, fuel pump, aluminum fly(6.5)lb, center force dual friction clutch. A/F gauge, FP gauge, boostgauge, EGT gauge, MSD digital 6, blaster coil, MSD cap, magnacore wires, J&S dual monitor.
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You have succeeded in increasing my heart rate...
Please do tell us more whenever its available http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/wink.gif
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1995 Milano Red GSR
H/A & H/T Teg Forum Mod
The darkside is the only side!!!
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This sounds like someone I discussed this with a while ago. Does he go by the name cropher?
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I thought the rule was for every 15 degrees you cool intake temps you get 1 percent increase in horsepower. So cooling air 125 degrees on a 200 hp car would give you like 17 hp.
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The man who is doing the work has been featured on the cover of European car 4 times for the porsches he has buy to race the 24hours of sebring and the like. He has now retired and relocated to TN from FL. He has a full machine shop at his new house here. All the tooling, Mill, lathe, various presses, welders mig tig arc, flow benches, valve grinders, cyl boring machine all the shit basically. All I can tell you know is wait till it is done!! I will go to the dyno before I install it and after and see what happens.
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JRSC @8psi RC 270's, cartech 2025i water inj, jr map mod, vpac, JR BTC, dcsports 4-1, apex-i N1 catback 2.1/4", 2.1/4" test pipe, Zip22 02 sim, J&S safeguard, fuel pump, aluminum fly(6.5)lb, center force dual friction clutch. A/F gauge, FP gauge, boostgauge, EGT gauge, MSD digital 6, blaster coil, MSD cap, magnacore wires, J&S dual monitor.
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"But he also stated that rule of thumb for every 2 degrees we cool are intake temps=1hp. He says that the cooler will easily drop intake temps 125degrees if not more. That is a easy 50hp gain."
50 HP!?!? That sounds very optimistic to me. Also, does this formula for temperature work for NA car's as well? Cause I know in the summer vs winter (90 degrees vs 40) I was not making 25 more HP on my 1.6.
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1993 Civic Hatch Si w/JRSC @ 6lbs
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I'd love to see it, but I have to believe that if it were that simple, something comparable would already be on the market.
As far as fabricating extraneous piping inbetween the blower/manifold & head, there's not much room to work with. To keep the blower from hitting the firewall, it's gonna take some very severe bends, and pretty small piping.
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AHHHH Im wet. I would sell a kidney for a intercooler. I am in the edge of my seat. Please keep us updated, and inform your mechanic that if he pulls this off he will be very paid from it.
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94 JRSC GSR
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How much are you guys looking to pay for an intercooler? $300,$400,$500,$600 ??? If it came as a complete kit everything you needed. I know a guy who will make one for me. It is my design but i was going to sell the JRSC so i dropped the idea. Let me know,i might have him make one up as a prototype.
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99 civic si,jrsc 6lbs,3"short ram intake,walboro high flow pump,apexi v-afc,autometer gauges,type-r red valve cover,koni shocks,progress springs and rear sway bar,Best time [email protected]
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At this point I think JRSC intercooler discussions would be approximately as exciting as asking when the Endyn supercharger kit is going to be on the market. Glad to see hope springs eternal.
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Well Dbman I guess you will have to trust me cause the manifold will be done next week!!
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JRSC @8psi RC 270's, cartech 2025i water inj, jr map mod, vpac, JR BTC, dcsports 4-1, apex-i N1 catback 2.1/4", 2.1/4" test pipe, Zip22 02 sim, J&S safeguard, fuel pump, aluminum fly(6.5)lb, center force dual friction clutch. A/F gauge, FP gauge, boostgauge, EGT gauge, MSD digital 6, blaster coil, MSD cap, magnacore wires, J&S dual monitor.
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I guess you will have to trust me cause the manifold will be done next week!!
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95'GSR w/JRSC at 6psi.
1/8 mi. 8.44 at 81mph.
Hp 226.7 torque 159.8
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I'm crossing my fingers on this one.
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98 ACURA INTEGRA LS
JRSC@6PSI
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Count me in on an ic too.
It will go nicely with all the other junk I've bought for the car.
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mmmmm.... fmic..... secksy!
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This might help out....... I hear conflicting measurements for the M62 however. Some say it is only good to 14400 rpm while many others say it is good to 18000
Here is a blower speed chart
http://ferrari.colowatch.com/files/1...rRPMChart2.htm
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Will it work for all B series motors (ie. B18B)
Defconsc
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98 Teg B18B, JRSC kit, JR BTC, JR fuel Pump, AEM CAI, DC JDM 4-1, Gutted Hi flow Cat, Apexi N1 Exhaust
