The official stamp of intellectual snobbery

It's been a whole 3 days since using my home computer. I'm currently in full time training to be a bank teller and boy is that a boring experience. We use fake money and fake cheques and to know that I've still got a week and half of this is a truly sobering experience. I'm one of the youngest people in training and it's rather sad to see people 20, 30 years older than me so incompetent. One person was previously a corporate banker (of some sort) and got retrenched so now is working in the bank's lowest tier.

It's absolutely convinced me that I'm an intellectual snob and I don't even think I'm very smart! I'm rather contemptuous of most of my 'collegues' that it's a wonder how I'm able to make friends.

It's a strange world.

PS. I think Shats is inflicted with this condition also judging from her attitude to MR ROBINS in another post.

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[This message has been edited by soulfilms (edited December 05, 2001).]

Wow...this is a life affirming topic!

We are supposed to work our whole lives, but work can be so darn barricading in nature.

Someday, Soul Films, you will probably run your own business.

In the meantime...try to survive and figure out if you can handle working for others.

As a result of this topic post, I will post a new topic post about should one date people where they work...this core issue affects people on a much deeper level than they believe is possible.

There are numerous other issues that relate to what you are going through.

Hopefully, when you get your first check (or have you worked before?)....... your brainwashing will be complete...(sorry, I was about to put a happy ending on this post and decided against it.) http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smile.gif

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Perhaps 'Shats' as you so affectionitly call her, knows something about me that the rest of you don't, as in she has seen more of what I have done in my life, the work I have, by Gods Grace, produced, then the rest of you.

Perhaps it is because she recognizes the struggles that I have undergone, and knows some of the reasons why I have undergone them, and continue to undergo them, FREEDOM!, my right to say "NO"! to someone, something, and to have that "NO!" respected without being punished for saying it, still being allowed to enjoy the 'fruits of my labors' A.K.A. in the U.S. as your right to the "Pursuit of Happiness".

I clearly have not been permitted to do this, based upon a long past history, and an easily overwhelming opponent. By perception, by position, and by capitalist contacts. (which means the ability to have me suppressed)

As for intellectual snobbery, you have no real right to any form of intellectual snobbery. no one does, as there is nothing that I know that you cannot learn, all the rest is simply time dependant, interest dependant, and concern dependant.

That some of the older persons seem incompetent to you, it is based upon the level of there knowledge, there skills set, and there previous experiance.

For some people aging is a scary experiance as they have specialized there knowledge to such a degree that when they find enough time has passed, that speciallity has become completely devalued, and is now obsolete. At this point they are required to go back and relearn, something that they lost the skills for, in the performance of there job, over all of the time that they have worked, as there learning skill set became truncated to the point of need based upon working time.

To go back now, and have to 'learn to learn' all over again, tough stuff for some of them, especially when you add in the psychological values that are also at play, the loses of seniority, respect, pay scale, (it is difficult to go from a decent pay down hill to a lessor, the work is the same, the rewards a lot less, ergo less fulfilling, and a lack of sense of acomplishment) authority, sense of self worth and value, and lots more.............

Alright, I originally wasn't gonna reply, just because Mr.Robin posted another quite lengthy, not to mention stupid response. One in which he didn't quite understand the topic to begin with, or thought it was a question it would seem.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>That some of the older persons seem incompetent to you, it is based upon the level of there knowledge, there skills set, and there previous experiance. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
DUH! Those are the reasons they seem incompetent... because they should have more experiances then a younger person. Please tell me you know what LOGIC means...
also, please use their instead of there. People are not places. If you correct me on EXIST, i correct you on grammer and spelling.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Perhaps 'Shats' as you so affectionitly call her, knows something about me that the rest of you don't, as in she has seen more of what I have done in my life, the work I have, by Gods Grace, produced, then the rest of you.
Perhaps it is because she recognizes the struggles that I have undergone, and knows some of the reasons why I have undergone them, and continue to undergo them, FREEDOM!, my right to say "NO"! to someone, something, and to have that "NO!" respected without being punished for saying it, still being allowed to enjoy the 'fruits of my labors' A.K.A. in the U.S. as your right to the "Pursuit of Happiness".

I clearly have not been permitted to do this, based upon a long past history, and an easily overwhelming opponent. By perception, by position, and by capitalist contacts. (which means the ability to have me suppressed)

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With some of the dumb things you say, I can see why people would want to have you suppressed, but seriously, cry me a river. http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/eek.gif


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gosh, i'm almost afraid to post here...lol.

i think soulfilms is right. although i've never actually termed it as 'intellectual snobbery'...
i pride myself on being cynical.
they say a person's gotta be good at something.

however, i think that if i were to attend a bank orientation and they made me use fake paper money and cheques in order to watch my 'counting ability' and 'fallibility ratio'...i'd be insulted.

come to think of it...about 6 years ago, i did do the 'bank' thing. it lasted all of 2 weeks.
i applaud you, soulfilms. http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

i agree with alex. i think soulfilms would be a great employer. lots of passion.

i just realised that i may be offending people...or maybe its my paranoia...

oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*runs from the thread*

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General Philosophy

I'm rather surprised with these responses here. I rather expected this big backlash for being so condescending and altogether contemptuous but instead, I got a well done you'd be a good employer some day.

I don't get it... I speak of my snobbery, my contempt and pity at some peoples' stupidity and I get a response of its being a life affirming post??! I assume you were sarcastic Alex?!

This is actually my third job and yesturday I was insulted more than anything I have ever endured. I was having lunch and sitting with an older, married girl (25-30) whom I had never spoken to before and some guy. So we made some polite conversation and then she asked me where I lived. She completely judged my social-economic hierarchy based on the suburb I lived in and she said 'you don't need a job, you live in a rich suburb' yet it was said with such disdain as if I taking the food away from a family who 'needed it more'. It sounds pretty petty now but at the time, I was thinking .."I fucking earned this job. I went through the nazi strict three hour interview process as well as anyone else!" My family is not particularly wealthy but why do I need to justify myself to a complete stranger?

Yeah I now it sounds petty now but I just need a cathartic release or something. It just made me so fucking mad!!

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there is no doubt in my mind that i would have completely dismissed any person's comments if they were married prior to turning 30.
but hey,
thats just me.

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General Philosophy

What makes this topic life-affirming is you are questioning your surroundings, rather than going through your pre-layed out job scenario with nary a question.

You are stepping out of your body to examine your present situation. Many young people never get past their $200.00 high tops.

Be respectful of your elders, but don't get manipulated by them either...they will pick up on the notion that you think they may be inferior...and in their own way, they will get back at you.

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[This message has been edited by Alex (edited December 13, 2001).]

By the way, do you see the parallel universes at work here?...in your first post on this topic, you felt better than others, in your last post, someone prejudged you and hated it.

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[This message has been edited by Alex (edited December 07, 2001).]

HANNIBAL, the ignorance of your youth hangs off of you like a blazing red flag.

Yes, they seem incompetent to that young man because they have a great deal of experience. OTHER then what they are now required to learn. Just for you I will put it in simple terms perhaps even you can understand if you bother to read this to gain from it, rather then reading it with an eye to answering in your usual need to prove yourself better attitude

In computer systems there is a hard drive disc, the more of it's memory space that is used, the SLOWER IT GOES, can you grasp that?

The young man who sees himself as intellectually superior is simply experiencing the fact of his age, wherein he is approaching maximum neural interconnectivity. That occurs around the age of twenty five, following that stage the mind begins to truncate it's connectivity, losing connectivity over time as the connections are not re-enforced by USE.

Therefore, people who engage in an activity over a long space of time, something you are yet to experience Hannibal, have a tendency in the neural systems to truncate the pathways, losing some of the ones that had previously been there. This leaves only the pathways that have had the greatest usage over the time that they have been working.

Ergo it is more difficult for them to re-establish the pathways that they had previously had, in their brains, as the level of neural plasticity has diminished over time, and/with their TRAINING.

KNOW WHAT LOGIC MEANS?

LOGIC means that when we state that A is greater then B (A>B) we can determine from the simplicity of A having a value of 8, and B having a value of 5, that there is within A an equivalency of B, as we know that in 8 we can find the value 5.
But in acknowledging that reality, that does NOT allow us to now state that B is equal to A, even thought we know that the value of B can be found in A, because the original statement, the CONCLUSION is that A is greater then B.

This is why I could see why you saw a catch 22 in the?Dis Dis? business, but it is not applicable, because the answer that I gave IS THE CONCLUSION

THAT IS HOW LOGIC WORKS, and it requires that you have some knowledge to deal with to start. Clearly you do, but I suspect that you lack in practical experience, in life, as to realize just what it is that you are talking about, how some of it applies.

Further to all of that is the simplicity that you are proving that what you have attempted to state about me is very clearly, and truthfully, the truth about you! The persistent attacks, the weak arguments, (Heck you didn't even bother to couch you attack behind a weak argument this time. Here?s a 'Weak argument'; "You attacked me for my spelling of exist, so I can go after you for 'their'" you do not show yourself to be better, but you sink the level at any opportunity you get!)

If you truly had wanted to learn something, you would have asked a question, like ?I don?t understand what you mean by it?s their experience that makes them seem incompetent, please explain further that statement?, as that would have demonstrated a desire to learn, as opposed to your clear attack upon me for YOUR not having enough knowledge to understand what I have stated.

But clearly this isn?t you, you are not someone looking to learn new things, not someone in possession of curiosity, no, you are someone who is arrogant in his belief that you know everything, arrogant to the point that you are going to prove this to everyone, and I am the person that you are going to abuse to prove it.

I?ll tell you right here child, be forewarned, very forewarned, I am not the guy you want to attempt this upon, cause I?ll take you to pieces very easily, slowly, diligently, and by God?s Grace, with more ease then you know!

As for the suppression of me, it isn?t because ?I?m dumb? as you so ineloquently put it, it is because of what I know that I am being suppressed, and because what I know is (apparently) that far ahead of the rest of the pack. But you wouldn?t know that, nor would you have a clue how to recognize that, as you are far to eager to try to prove that you are the one who knows, even thought you are the one who can?t even find meaning in his life!

And this also proves what you have attempted to state about me, going off topic, exactly what you have accomplished with you little, wee, tiny, diatribe of attack, what you keep seeing in me is really the truth about you, but you don?t have enough intellectual curiosity or insight to see that, no introspection, just a spit out venom for anyone who has opinions that don?t match up with your skewed view of the world.

So challenge me, if you will, demonstrate to me your Superior Logic Skills, (if you have any!) that actually come from anything/something that isn?t simply you parroting another. Tell me something that you have discovered, tell me something new!

Oh, and by the way, you never held up your end of the bargain in the ?Dis Dis? piece, you never proved anything!

My apologies to all of the rest of you, this is now way off topic, as has happened before for basically the same reasons. If you would like to comment on either the original answer, or the furthered explanation of it herein, please, feel free! THANKS



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I suppose the young man you were referring to in your post MR ROBINS was me. Slight correction needed here: I'm actually female although many have mistaken my gender in the past (on the Internet)...must be some sort of androgyny I exude. I'm rather interested in your computer program analogy. You mean to say that the more someone absorbs, the slower that person gets?! In terms of computers, that would be correct as computers have only designated amounts of space to store information. This isn't true with humans. Our minds are only limited by our imagination and so our minds are potentially limitless, which shouldn't make a person any 'slower'.

Shatouska: I completely agree with you in terms of marriage age. Anyone getting married (I term de facto as basically marriage also) under 30 in this day and age is a mystery.

Alex: you're right in the fact that I don't like to be prejudged and yet I'm judging others. Yet there is a difference between my judgments and hers, I judge on intellectual substance. She judges on the suburb that I live in. I think I'm a fairer judge than her. Actually, I don't think I hate being judged so long as I'm not being judged on such superficialities such as the suburb I live in or the car I drive or the school I go to. I am very respectful to those who deserve it and being old does not automatically generate my respect.

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[This message has been edited by soulfilms (edited December 08, 2001).]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mr. Robin:

I??ll tell you right here child, be forewarned, very forewarned, I am not the guy you want to attempt this upon, cause I??ll take you to pieces very easily, slowly, diligently, and by God??s Grace, with more ease then you know!

My apologies to all of the rest of you, this is now way off topic, as has happened before for basically the same reasons. If you would like to comment on either the original answer, or the furthered explanation of it herein, please, feel free! THANKS


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I don't see the purpose of threatening others...I also don't see the purpose of dredging up issues that have been created on other boards...frankly, It comes off as rather oafish, boring, and self-indulgent...

I also find apologizing an action that most of the time is offensive in nature, and not defensive as it is falsely portrayed to be.

By humbling oneself, one then feels a new empowerment to feel superior to others who have not apologized, thereby making the apology act completely an insincere one.

And what is it with all the goofy italics around words like isn't...please explain that.



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The elders issue is interesting....

Must an elder earn your respect, or is it automatically given by you, but then taken away if the elder doesn't CONTINUE TO earn that level of respect?

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[This message has been edited by Alex (edited December 09, 2001).]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>In computer systems there is a hard drive disc, the more of it's memory space that is used, the SLOWER IT GOES, can you grasp that?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm a computer science major, one would hope so, for I might be making a program your forced to use someday http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/wink.gif
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>But clearly this isn??t you, you are not someone looking to learn new things, not someone in possession of curiosity, no, you are someone who is arrogant in his belief that you know everything, arrogant to the point that you are going to prove this to everyone, and I am the person that you are going to abuse to prove it.

I??ll tell you right here child, be forewarned, very forewarned, I am not the guy you want to attempt this upon, cause I??ll take you to pieces very easily, slowly, diligently, and by God??s Grace, with more ease then you know!

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If I was not looking to learn new things, why would I visit Gen Phil? or Discuss This? or any of the other boards I frequent?
Also, why would I attend a structured learning program, say, like school...
I do not think that I know everything, but you spoke earlier of sinking to levels...
You see, you claim I attack you with posts, and what is this? aren't you sinking to my level, to do the same thing!? WOW. projection I suppose, that thing you brought up as well, that wonderfull psychological effect.
Everything you said I do, you just did in one post.
You said with God's grace, more ease than I would know, so if I were to post that god doesn't exist, no grace would therefore be available for you to use. And by your own statement, I would then know the ease with which your taking me to peices so to speak, thus giving me ample time to create a complex map of mental and physical behavior hard for anyone to burst through, let alone deteriorate slowly, especially since I know what they're doing. hmm... God can't help you there.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>you are the one who knows, even thought you are the one who can??t even find meaning in his life!
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In the post on the meaning of life, you seem to have ASSUMED, that I did not have meaning in my own.. you see, i asked for views and opinions. I thought I put that on there, but perhaps I should have if I did not. I did not in any way imply I have no meaning to mine.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Oh, and by the way, you never held up your end of the bargain in the ??Dis Dis?? piece, you never proved anything!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I would have, but you never held up your end of the bargain my good man. I asked you to first do something, in order for me to make my point, of which you did not do. But alas, this was some time ago, whyfore would you bring up a dead topic? Speaking of attacks... http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif
You brought up many speakings of my age, yet you do not know how old I am, or the experiances I have had therein. I would appreciate if you would quit making such broad assumptions about me, and who I am, and what I've been through. Thank you!!
You've done to me as I have done to you.
You've come to my level now, as first I went to yours... 2 wrongs don't make a right do they? So shall we cut this bullshit, and agree to vehemently disagree.

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12/10/2001

So to respond to the now several persons going at this. It interests me that not a one of you have commented about the aspect of the writing that is ON topic, this one?.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The young man who sees himself as intellectually superior is simply experiencing the fact of his age, wherein he is approaching maximum neural interconnectivity. That occurs around the age of twenty five, following that stage the mind begins to truncate it's connectivity, losing connectivity over time as the connections are not re-enforced by USE.

Therefore, people who engage in an activity over a long space of time, something you are yet to experience Hannibal, have a tendency in the neural systems to truncate the pathways, losing some of the ones that had previously been there. This leaves only the pathways that have had the greatest usage over the time that they have been working.

Ergo it is more difficult for them to re-establish the pathways that they had previously had, in their brains, as the level of neural plasticity has diminished over time, and/with their TRAINING<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>.

Astounding that not a one of you had even the slightest comment upon this aspect as this is the real reason why some of those persons have difficulty learning at an advanced age???but it is not the only reason!

But apparently, according to some people, I didn?t understand the topic.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>originally posted by Hannibal Alright, I originally wasn't gonna reply, just because Mr.Robin posted another quite lengthy, not to mention stupid response. One in which he didn't quite understand the topic to begin with, or thought it was a question it would seem.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Interesting to me, as it seems to have flown over the heads of all of the respondents, the simplicity that these persons of advanced age that seem to have trouble learning new things, have had to deal with mortgage payments, Tax bills, life insurance payments, car payments and repairs, food for family and children (if the have them) retirement plans that are probably collapsing due to the loss of income that is incurred in being downshifted in such an abrupt manner, all sorts of other normal life experiences that weight down a humans mind with worry and thought that would also encumber their learning curve ability.

And yet, apparently, not a one of you noticed, mentioned, thought, knew of any of these reasons as being aspects of just why these persons would have been slower at the learning of new tasks, Demonstrates clearly the lack of knowledge on your part, the lack of compassion towards the plights of others as this might have led you to realize some of that as just how they are much furthered burdened then the simplicity of life that some of you lead, financed, and/or supported by your parents.
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As for you soulfilms, you have no right to any form of intellectual superiority as clearly you didn?t even use that ?infinite mind? of yours to reason out even the smallest part of anything that I have provided as reasoning that permits comprehension of the observed facts.

As for your imagination being infinite, it is NOT, but I will leave it up to you to figure out why, an opportunity for you to prove your claim of intellectual superiority

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>originally posted by Soulfilms I'm rather interested in your computer program analogy. You mean to say that the more someone absorbs, the slower that person gets?! In terms of computers, that would be correct as computers have only designated amounts of space to store information. This isn't true with humans. Our minds are only limited by our imagination and so our minds are potentially limitless, which shouldn't make a person any 'slower'<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As you might have very well determined by now, that is the answer that is posted above, and in the original post, concerning the idea of the truncation/weakening of the neural connectivity networking in the human brain. It is not a matter of absorption, but it is a matter of training of neural pathways over time. It would be like not being able to change the space usage of the hard drive after it had been assigned. No erasing and reassigning the space for other tasks. Your brain is capable of such feats, but it is an organism, therefore it must grow such connections over time and use. Hence when having been trained in specific pathway use over a great deal of it?s lifetime, it becomes more difficult for it to learn new pathways, or change the currently operating pathways, for other use.

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As for you Hannibal,

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>originally posted by Hannibal DUH! Those are the reasons they seem incompetent... because they should have more experiances then a younger person. Please tell me you know what LOGIC means...
also, please use their instead of there. People are not places. If you correct me on EXIST, i correct you on grammer and spelling.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If it should be that you would even dream of having the capability of being my editor (LOL ad absurdum!) you will firstly need to learn to spell, like E-X-P-E-R-I-E-N-C-E-S, and G-R-A-M-M-A-R, we won?t bother with the simple observation that you have a computer, computers have spell check systems of them, and you still get the spellings wrong, how intellectually lazy is that???

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>originally posted by Hannibal You see, you claim I attack you with posts, and what is this? aren't you sinking to my level, to do the same thing!? WOW. projection I suppose, that thing you brought up as well, that wonderfull psychological effect.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Clearly you haven?t grasped the difference between a claim and an admission as I am not claiming you attack me in your posts, you have very clearly proven that one, a reminder of what you stated????.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>originally posted by Hannibal Alright, I originally wasn't gonna reply, just because Mr.Robin posted another quite lengthy, not to mention stupid response?????.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nothing there that is new, now is there Hannibal?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>originally posted by Hannibal Everything you said I do, you just did in one post.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes Hannibal, and I both admitted to it, and apologized to the rest of the persons reading all of this, as I followed your lead off topic

And I followed your inane lead as to address the insolent nature of your post, and to endeavor to show you how your judgment of things is based upon a person thinking with their ego, not with their brains. By the way, I do believe that you have a brain in there, and that it does work, but I suspect that you have also developed the same thing that lots of people your age get, you?ve just finished high school, and you think that you know everything cause it is still fresh in you mind. But clearly, you have very little actual world experiances to draw from to brace any of the information in your head as to actually arrive at a terminal of knowledge. Hopefully the needed experiances will not do to much damage to you, as such an inflated ego is very easily popped, and that can hurt.


Now this next one, such fun?..


<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>originally posted by Hannibal You said with God's grace, more ease than I would know, so if I were to post that god doesn't exist, no grace would therefore be available for you to use. And by your own statement, I would then know the ease with which your taking me to peices so to speak, thus giving me ample time to create a complex map of mental and physical behavior hard for anyone to burst through, let alone deteriorate slowly, especially since I know what they're doing. hmm... God can't help you there.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> (By the way, ?i? before ?e? except after ?c?, as you have been reminded of before, as in P-I-E-C-E-S)


Now I would love to know, as you have so very easily PROVEN just how arrogant you really actually are, how it is that you think that if you <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>were to post that god doesn't exist<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> then somehow that would what, stop God?s Grace from working in my life??, is that really how arrogant you are, you think that you posting here in Hostboard, a denial of God?s existence, that that will stop the true God of the universe from being able to do anything??? Are you really that self deceived?? That arrogant??

Now this is an exceedingly clear and revealing piece, revealing of you and your character, your true nature that one that espouse that you wish to?.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>originally posted By Hannibal thus giving me ample time tocreate a complex map of mental and physical behavior hard for anyone to burst through, let alone deteriorate slowly, especially since I know what they're doing.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> ???..become, this person who has attempted to hide his truer nature in a ?complex map of mental behavior?


<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hannibal If I was not looking to learn new things, why would I visit Gen Phil? or Discuss This? or any of the other boards I frequent?
Also, why would I attend a structured learning program, say, like school...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Great question, and here is YOUR answer?..

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>originally posted in EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! By Hannibal
As for you "knowing" what Mein Kampf is about, perhaps you should read it, and not believe "learned peoples" who could LIE, just like hitler did, he wasn't dumb you know, hitler was quite learned.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So this raises the question, what are you doing on these boards, or in a structured learning environment as clearly you seem to think that lying is an aspect of being a learned person. You are right though, Hitler was a learned person, learned in the skill of lying, renowned for that actually.

Tell me, how do you know that you can trust the professors in the school that you attend, to know that they are not lying to you. And don?t try the they get paid not to as money is one of the things that people regularly lie for. (Personally, I have clearly, historically, stuck with the idea that most of the learned persons that I have learned from, do not lie, and I do not believe that most professors in schools lie, but this young man seems to think that learned persons are not trustworthy as them could lie?like him)

Then again, I can easily come up with another reason(s) that you both visit these boards, and attend school. Simplicity is that persons of your persuasion (informed, and arrogant about it) tend to want to flaunt what they have, as that sates your ego. How else are you going to satisfy yourself in proving to yourself that you are intellectually superior to all of us mere mortals, after all, it is your recommendation not to trust learned people as they might be just like you(?) and lie. So perhaps you come here to see how well you can perfect your abilities at that, lying and deceiving people, as you seem to believe that that is actually an indication of intelligence. Lying is NOT an indicator of intelligence, as the liar is not even intelligent enough as to realize that, most often, the only person that they truly fool is themselves

And now for this one, this is you in Art VS Porn??.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>[/b]originally posted by Hannibal in Art vs porn If someone else is right, I bow to them, and give them fair credit, however, if someone answers a question, with another question which is some odd tangent, only use circular reasoning as a way to weasel out of being wrong *we won't name names, we'll call him Mr.R... no that's too obvious, let's try M.Robin* then that's when I get upset, because they refuse to admit the error of their ways. I don't know how many times you've done this.
Ahh, and the way you called us all "back to topic" was classic maneuver. [I]After someone says a person does something, they always then do the opposite immediately thereafter, thus making it a true statement for them to say "no i don't"]/i]...[/b]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah Hannibal, you reveal only yourself, in all that you do??.firstly, I have yet to see you admit to anything of anyone else as being right, nor have I seen you bow to anyone, nor give anyone fair credit! (other then perhaps in the places where you are playing it in two names maybe?) Followed by the italicized part, that?s a lovely one, remember your words????????.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>originally posted by Hannibal in his pursuit of the meaning of life That's assuming that I'm asking because I DON't know... however, if I'm asking because I wish for opinions, then your completely wrong. http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly what you attempted to do in the above posting???..followed by?..


<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>originally posted by Hannibal
In the post on the meaning of life, you seem to have ASSUMED, that I did not have meaning in my own.. you see, i asked for views and opinions. I thought I put that on there, but perhaps I should have if I did not. I did not in any way imply I have no meaning to mine.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But your history contradicts you?????????.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>originally posted in EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!by first, myself, then Hannibal?s response
Apparently you have decided that it cannot be done, without even trying. Your loss, not mine, aside I personally believe it is meaningful, as I have found LOTS of meaning in my life.....but that is IMHO.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>
eh hem, I have not decided without attempt. I believe Shatoushka could possibly provide witness at my attempts to find meaning in life...(?) But you have found meaning, great, and when you die, all that meaning is gone. Therefore, it's unimportant. Because you'll be dead, and it will then mean nothing to anyone. Point proven. http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And in that posting your craftiness shows as you project your opinion upon me, the italicized part, such that if I attempt to use this as proof that you do not have any meaning in your life from this statement that is projected upon me, you will attempt to slip out on the basis of a semantically orientated wordplay that will allow you to say that that is NOT what you actually said. It is called evidence, and that fact that I can now pull up two pieces of it, simply demonstrates that it is, in fact, the truth about you, not me, including the projection aspect of it.

Now to further yourself, you further prove your arrogant attitude herein?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I'm a computer science major, one would hope so, for I might be making a program your forced to use someday http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why would I be FORCED to use a computer program? This only demonstrates the truth about you, reveals it actually, you would need to FORCE

And the last part, Oh but aren?t you a twister????

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Me, Mr. Robin (MR for short, if you like!)
Oh, and by the way, you never held up your end of the bargain in the ?Dis Dis? piece, you never proved anything!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>originally posted by Hannibal in ?Intellectual Superiority?
I would have, but you never held up your end of the bargain my good man. I asked you to first do something, in order for me to make my point, of which you did not do. But alas, this was some time ago, whyfore would you bring up a dead topic? Speaking of attacks... http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif
You brought up many speakings of my age, yet you do not know how old I am, or the experiances(SP!) I have had therein. I would appreciate if you would quit making such broad assumptions about me, and who I am, and what I've been through. Thank you!!
You've done to me as I have done to you.
You've come to my level now, as first I went to yours... 2 wrongs don't make a right do they? So shall we cut this bullshit, and agree to vehemently disagree.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Never held up my end of the bargain? What part of ?You cannot prove anything because it is all simply subjective testimony? don?t you understand? Followed by A>B, which tells of exactly why you cannot attempt circular reasoning and then call that a proof, which is exactly what YOU tried to do, unsuccessfully!

As for speaking of your age, how B-R-O-A-D an ?assumption? is it for me to reason that you are not yet thirty, and past twenty?.too B-R-O-A-D is that???

Actually, speaking of projections, you did that right there, <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>who I am, and what I've been through<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>, where do you see me making any B-R-O-A-D assumptions about who you are and what you have been through??, examples please!!

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>originally posted by me, MR.
THAT IS HOW LOGIC WORKS, and it requires that you have some knowledge to deal with to start. Clearly you do, but I suspect that you lack in practical experience, in life, as to realize just what it is that you are talking about, how some of it applies.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because if this is what you mean by ?B-R-O-A-D assumptions about you?, the fact that I recognize some of the aspects of my own character, from when I was younger, absent of the arrogance, but with some lack of practical experience as to know how to apply logic properly, how is this a B-R-O-A-D ASSUMPTION???? (cause if this tiny little fact is actually ?a broad assumption? in reference to you, then you must be a great deal smaller then I had given you credit for!)

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>excerpted from above?
You've done to me as I have done to you.
You've come to my level now, as first I went to yours... 2 wrongs don't make a right do they? So shall we cut this bullshit, and agree to vehemently disagree<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And you ask me if I know anything about logic, look at that twist in that one, ?As first I went to yours? is probably the most illogical arrangement you could come up with, unless you were attempting to make it look like I had started this inanity. How is it that ?You've come to my level now, as first I went to yours...? you state that you first went to my level when so clearly you were the one who abased the level with comments like ?not to mention stupid response? and ? With some of the dumb things you say??please, show me where I went to this level first!

Because you cannot, because I did NOT, you are the one who abases of all of this, NOT ME! I simply responded to your verbal rudeness!

Now I must ask the question, just what is it that you would wish that I would ?agree to disagree? on, with you? On the point of the thread that I addressed, with a statement that is still valid, you have offered absolutely nothing to invalidate it, not an iota of anything relevant to the actual topic of discourse in this thread! What am I to ?agree to disagree? with, your arrogance, your ignorance of certain life experiances, or simply your inane remarks that use words like ?stupid? and ?dumb? as to attempt to abase the conversation??

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>originally posted by Hannibal in Art vs porn
If someone else is right, I bow to them, and give them fair credit, however, if someone answers a question, with another question which is some odd tangent, only use circular reasoning as a way to weasel out of being wrong *we won't name names, we'll call him Mr.R... no that's too obvious, let's try M.Robin* then that's when I get upset, because they refuse to admit the error of their ways. I don't know how many times you've done this.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Tell me, where is the proof?? The accusations are very obvious, as all of your posts seem to contain, in reference to me, but I?ve yet to see you actually prove, or even attempt to offer any proof, of anything. Not exactly how logic works.

I would await a reply from you, but I suspect it will be more of the same, as you have furnished in the past, something along the lines of ?I could prove it, but I don?t have time to?, or, ?can?t be bothered?, or, ?I was just joking?, or, ?that?s NOT what I said, I said?..? why bother?

Just as a last note Hannibal, in ?Dis Dis?, the challenge that I had offered to B.F. was to prove the Absolute Truth I had stated, you cannot prove anything, as wrong, or, concede it?s veracity, admit that it is true.

You, taking up the challenge never did either, never admitted that it was true, never proved it wrong, but got caught up in your assertions that it was a ?catch 22?. Even if it is a ?catch 22?, it is still an {b]Absolute Truth[/b] and it is still true.

Otherwise, you would deserve a place in the history books as the very first person who could conclusively prove that he wasn?t just dreaming all of this, and could do that without the use of subjective testimony, and even you cannot do that! Ergo the statement is true, I never stated anywhere in that post that I was going to Prove that, just that I would tell you why that statement You cannot prove anything was an absolute truth! which, by God?s Grace, I did!

And re-enforced by this explanation of the logic behind the conclusion

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>originally posted by MR.
LOGIC means that when we state that A is greater then B (A>B) we can determine from the simplicity of A having a value of 8, and B having a value of 5, that there is within A an equivalency of B, as we know that in 8 we can find the value 5.
But in acknowledging that reality, that does NOT allow us to now state that B is equal to A, even thought we know that the value of B can be found in A, because the original statement, the CONCLUSION is that A is greater then B.

This is why I could see why you saw a catch 22 in the?Dis Dis? business, but it is not applicable, because the answer that I gave IS THE CONCLUSION

This is also why you cannot go back around and attempt to state that this is therefore a proof


Where is the ?If someone else is right, I bow to them and give them fair credit? cause you never admitted that the statement was right/true, nor for that fact did you admit that the manner that I asserted it was right, and true, nothing from you but apparently contradicting words, and actions. Hallmark of a liar, or a self-deceived person, one or the other!


Now Alex, to come to you???..

[quote]originally posted by Alex in Art vs porn
Just because you fully understand the tactics used by another does not mean their points are worthless.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please tell me from whence do you arrive at the conclusion that Hannibal fully understands my so called tactics?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>originally posted by Alex
By the way, I'm not a big fan of apologizing...the only scenario I have come up with to apologize on a forum are glib and uncaring responses, your's certainly was not that.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Apparently apologizing for ?glib and uncaring responses? is acceptable, but??

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>originally posted by Alex
I also find apologizing an action that most of the time is offensive in nature, and not defensive as it is falsely portrayed to be.

By humbling oneself, one then feels a new empowerment to feel superior to others who have not apologized, thereby making the apology act completely an insincere one.

And what is it with all the goofy italics around words like isn't...please explain that.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Apparently I need a little better explanation of the first statement in this one as it escapes my grasp as to just what it is that you are stating.

As for the second statement, I can only guess that you have never really had a taste of humility, as I can assure you from the experiences that I have had at humbling myself, they are not ?empowering to feel superior?

As for the sincerity of the apology, it was intended as sincere, I have no control over how you receive the communication, only how I send it.

What I was apologizing for was going off topic, and thereby leading people who might be reading this into having to read stuff that might not be of interest to them, but they wouldn?t find that out unless they read it, so I attempted to acknowledge that I do, normally, attempt to respect their rights to their time, and acknowledge what I had done.

I am not defending myself, nor am I attempting to offend anyone, just that I realize that in following Hannibals lead and going so far off topic, I might have un-intentionally done that anyways, hence I apologized for what I might have inadvertently done.

This has a furthered explanation, but I would like that first statement clarified first, if you don?t mind.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>originally posted by Alex
I don't see the purpose of threatening others...I also don't see the purpose of dredging up issues that have been created on other boards...frankly, It comes off as rather oafish, boring, and self-indulgent...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is actually a ?forewarning? as I have found this person?s responses to me as rather arrogantly offensive from back in the start of discourse with him. There is a difference between a forewarning, and a threat.

As for having ?dredged up? an issue from another board, it is very relevant to his perceptions of just what logic actually is, something he was calling me on(?) never mind his contradictory statements concerning admitting that others can be right. He has seemed to do that, on another board, but he could simply be ?twining? himself just to give it that appearance. What is ?oafish? about that, please explain?boring, to you I can grasp, self-indulgent, well, if you had read the history perhaps you too would have found the need for clarification, by Hannibal, of some of his so obviously self-contradicting statements.

Seems he wishes to think that on this board he can start with a clean slate, ignore all of what he has said on another board as I f that one was just the target practice time.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>originally posted by Alex
And what is it with all the goofy italics around words like isn't...please explain that.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As for the italics around the ?isn?t? words, I have gone back and looked at the original posting, there are no italics around any ?isn?t? words anywhere in it. Not in the form that I had originally posted it, clearly NOT!

It is apparent though that the system had some effects upon the posting as all of the words that had this little mark, ? in them, got adulterated into this kind of marking. I??ll -- that is actually typed as - I?ll - this is apparently either from the number of times it was accessed to reply with quote, or was intentionally adulterated by persons unknown.

<marquee><font size=4><font color=red>*Notes* Hannibal is an educated parrot, says ?Polly wants a saltine!?</marquee>



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P.S. my apologies to you 'soulfilms' for the erroneous assumption that I made concerning your gender, I meant no offence by it.

(on that, should I await an Alex comment?)

Further, aside for the obvious loses of position, social status. etc. some of the older people have incurred a lifestyle changing financial wounding, probably a rather severe one for some of them. As i have had some experience with such events in my life, I can assure you that such things can rest very heavily upon a persons mind, and the distraction of that can severely impair, and hamper, learning abilities.

As the computer analogy goes, it would be like getting your computer to figure out Pi, and then, while it is running that task, keep asking it to perform lots of other unrelated tasks. Would it be that it had 'expressible judgments', you would probably be told no end of 'deferrable' excuses, and find that it too was slow at tasks that it would otherwise normally be fast at.

Hope that helps explain it.


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I'm in the school library posting this reply. Instead of acting like a loser and sitting here in the library all afternoon (or all day for that matter) trying to respond to the HUGE post that you made... I'll simply say this...
"Yawn"
You interest me not. In your quotes and theories and statements lay a lot of loopholes, and just like one MKFaizi, it bores me to keep pointing them out time and time again.
At least I know that from what you say Mr.Robin, no one will suppress my ideas, or steal them, or anything like that. I don't like being supressed, so I guess with my small brain capacity, I won't have to worry about that will I...
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I??ll -- that is actually typed as - I?ll - this is apparently either from the number of times it was accessed to reply with quote<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hey kid genius, the number of times someone replies to anything doesn't distort it. If you believe that, go look at threads with like 100 replies, tell me what the original message is, it's not telephone here.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>
, unless you were attempting to make it look like I had started this inanity. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I was.. i was attempting to solve a problem, but hey, lemme say it this way "who cares who started it, let's end it."
I guess this means you won't just agree to disagree..... such a shame.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>more of the same, as you have furnished in the past, something along the lines of ?I could prove it, but I don?t have time to?, or, ?can?t be bothered?, or, ?I was just joking?, or, ?that?s NOT what I said, I said?..? why bother?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> and where did I say, Just joking, or Cant be bothered, or no time to.. i've never said those things...however you once misquoted me and i did tell you that wasn't what I said word for word... it's not my fault you tampered with what I said.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>You cannot prove anything was an absolute truth<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
There ya go, like i said, you proved you can't prove anything, that in itself is proving something, THAT was my answer to you.
now i've only hit on half of what I saw that I felt needed to be addressed, even though originally I wasn't going to...
So, i offer again, why don't we just sit back, call a spade a spade, an argument an argument, disagreeal just that, and let this drop already? as I said in my post before this one? to which you replied again in length and with great blahness...
let's agree to disagree over everything about ourselves, it's obvious we have nothing in common..
and wow, I said a lot more than Yawn. hehe http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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its a good thing this isn't GP.
instead of posting right now, i woulda
closed this damn thread.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> originally posted by Hannibal in EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nov 10 2001 @ 16:41Hrs
READ what I say.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please, follow your own advise before you give it to others!

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*scratches head* umm... sure. http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

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If I lose the light of the sun, I will write by candlelight, moonlight, no light. If I lose paper and ink, I wil write in blood on forgotten walls. I will write always, I will capture nights all over the world and bring them to you.
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Mr. Robin, I get notified by e-mail when posts are made to a forum I moderate, you now own the record...my e-mail informed me your post was 26 whatevers, normally they come in at one or two.

It is extremely rude to the browsers of this forum to continue an argument that was started on another forum...

One must start anew, and deal only with content that is presented here.

Mr. Robin, I must strongly disagree about nerual connectivity being the greatest at age 25.

It is common knowledge that the peak of brain activity and intelligence is between 35-45 years of age.

Perhaps the 25 year old THINKS they are the smartest, but they surely are not.

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[This message has been edited by Alex (edited December 13, 2001).]

There is a differance between neural connectivety, and neural activety.

You might have the max. number present, but that doesn't state that all of them are working all at once.

From the scientific studies that I have done, and if required, I can find references to the works, max connectivety is at around 25 years of age.

Max connectivety does NOT imply max.
intelligence, it does imply max. possibilities for connectedness

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[This message has been edited by Mr. Robin (edited December 13, 2001).]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alex:

It is extremely rude to the browsers of this forum to continue an argument that was started on another forum...

One must start anew, and deal only with content that is presented here.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then please tell the person who is persistantly acted as to be nothing more then a pest to stop dreaming that he knows "all of my tactics" (I do not use tactics, other then simple honesty), acts from knowledge from other postings, but changes his words to reflect himself as something that he wasn't in the past, he has not really changed! thats clear.

I used the past postings, and referenced them to ensure anyone reading could find them if they so chose, because it is an amassing of evidence over time that reveals the nature of people, like figureing out Hannibals truer nature, it ain't all that difficult unless you preclude use of all of his words as you seem to wish to do.

He isn't letting go of anything, he persists in character attack, he should be known for just what he is, and that evidence is required to do that.

usually standing over a fox hole doesn't entice the fox to appear.
stepping away may expose the entrance to the hole and give the fox comfort to exit.

this will be my final post on this thread.

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Mr. Robin.

I have not been able to digest your very long post as of yet.

I nibble at the corners but cannot commit to it's entirety.

I have mulled transferring your comments and hannibals comments onto a new topic post.

After you spent so much time creating the post, it would be evil of me to "dismiss it" or delete it.

But I don't think it relates to the orginal topic post.

Putting it under a new topic may be the perfect solution...If I do that, I'll try to come up with a decent title.

I just thought I'd pass on my mulling thoughts, it's not actually a top priority at this moment in time...but I'd thought I'd share my current state of mind.

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