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is there a such thing as 'evil'?
i'm not referring to a dictionary term or a slight understanding of what the word means.
i know what it means.
what i wanna know is, i cannot say because i have to use a word that i have grown to loathe... 'exist'.
so, technically, does evil, in fact, 'exist'?
lord, please don't post:
1) evil exists because there is too much non-necessary, prolonged pain in the world...blah blah blah.
2) evil exists because we can conceive of the word, context and meaning of...blah blah blah.
as a matter of fact, don't even start your post out that way.
i would substitute 'exist' for the word 'real' (as in-- is evil 'real'?) but i am afraid i have just created a similar problem.
i think we are all old enough here to understand what i am asking.
for the sake of argument, i do not believe evil exists/is real.
go ahead...you know you want to...
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The Devil is Evil, [In song] cause the bible told me so [/In song]
I am going to go WAY out on a limb and guess that a biblical answer was NOT the answer wanted on this board.
So, in looking at questions such as this, you really need to apply the answer to everyone, or at least the majority of the world population.
Evil?
First we must example is morals exsist. And what are morals but knowing right from wrong.
I belive that all people are born with an understanding of right or wrong (this can of course be argued but this is what I think and sence I am talking, LIVE WITH IT!)
So if right is Good then Wrong is Evil.
Therefor I think Evil exsists in some form for everyone.
One person may take evil to mean the devil, another to represent something in nature, or others can view evil as something simple like hitting your spouse.
I hate to do this but as ALWAYS, it depends on what someone defines as evil.
If you agree with me that Wrong=evil then we are living in a world with a WHOLE BUNCH of evil. If you think evil is something witches or satan worshipers do, then there is less but clearly there is some. If you do not belive in right and wrong and are lead by the idea that you can do what you want, then there is no true evil.
AND you are also VERY likely to be viewing this from a jail sell.
Hopefully none of this made sence, have a NICE day.
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In other news:
CHICAGO - The war on terrorism took a strange and sad turn Friday as airline officials at O'Hare International Airport refused to let a 73-year-old grandmother board her plane as she had in her possession
two, six inch knitting needles. Apparently authorities were worried that she might knit an Afghan.
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er...to be honest, i am not fully sure biblical renderings of 'evil' are NOT pertinent to this discussion, however, i do not see them valueable at this time.
what i want to know, in response to shaz (and maybe mr. robin), if you feel that way about evil--what is the difference between EVIL and BAD?
an apple can be BAD, yet certainly it cannot be EVIL.
in addition, a person can know that an apple is BAD without moral implications.
how does your view 'wrong=evil' stand up?
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WRONG...EVIL...BAD
In the beginning, there was nothing wrong, nor correct, neither good or bad. Then I came up.
One day, I felt hungry and picked an apple. I ate it and hunger went away.
A couple of hours later, I felt hungry again and picked a flower. I ate it and soon felt weird.
I then realised that 'apple + eating' is OK, while 'flower + eating' is NOT OK.
Some other combinations that I found OK:
'cold + blanket'
'thirst + water'
'darkness + candle'
Some combinations that I found NOT OK:
'marbles + washing machine'
'sugar + teeth'
'stone + head'
Here are some combinations that I found neither OK nor NOT OK:
'rain + fish'
'apple + wheel'
'glass + money'
Here are some combinations that I only found OK <u>occasionally</u>:
'I + people'
'razor + skin'
'fireplace + sleep'
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mr. Robin:
As the Bible tells us,
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That is evil number one....a book "telling" one what to do.....
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mr. Robin:
The best trick that the devil ever played was in convincing people that he didn't exist.
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The best trick that the devil ever played on us was convincing us it's all his (hers) fault.
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Evil needs a frame of reference to be understood, since that doesn't exist (only in a book, which can't possibly count), nor does evil; only good and bad and all that in between, which does have a frame of references (our consciences). Thus evil doesn't exist.
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alex--
i agree.
3 speed-- i agree even more.
beta-- hmmmm.... i originally wanted to say, 'i agree the most'...but something went awry. he he he. i agre that evil (if it exists) must come from intent...moreso malice. but malice is a strickly human condition, a property. therefore, is it safe to assume that evil can exist but only if it pertains to humans? are humans somewhat responsible?
this is where i link it back to god...
but it is not time yet.
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evil isn't an action, it is an adjective describing anything--be it an action or a thing.
if i were to tell you that i was leaving this afternoon to 'go do evil'...you could not clearly understand what exactly the action is i will be doing, only the possible properties thereof.
therefore, i ask you:
is murdering bad...or evil?
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This topic was supposed to be a philosophical one. What went wrong?
By saying truly exists, philosophically, per se, frame of reference, need of definition, in itself etc., you all just misuse a philosophical jargon, yet mean nothing at all.
You don't know where evil is to be found. Such a debate just makes bad things even worse.
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Evil is denial of growth.
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I think I love you Alex.
I have thought that 'evil' is when someone has intent to do someone else harm when they know that it will hurt another.
Bad is when something not good happens.
For example: If I tied up your dog, then ran it over with my car, that would be evil.
However, if I accidentally hit it because you forgot to close your gate, that would be bad.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>That is evil number one....a book "telling" one what to do.....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I thought the real evil was discounting other belief systems based on a closed mind.
Not to meantion that your statement shows a compleate lack of understanding of the bible.
Going back to one of the few actually philosophic questions on the thread.
What is evil?
Evil as a thing: very difficult to discuss. This leads to biblical and other theological discussion.
Evil as an action: This I think we can discuss without getting into personal belief systems.
Can a person do evil?
If yes, what kind of actions are evil?
If no, does it exsist?
Is evil a human action?
If so, why are humans different and is evil a result of self awareness?
If evil is not a function of humans, what non human action is evil?
THERE, that may take this in a new direction. Hope to see some more action on this thread tommarrow.
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CHICAGO - The war on terrorism took a strange and sad turn Friday as airline officials at O'Hare International Airport refused to let a 73-year-old grandmother board her plane as she had in her possession
two, six inch knitting needles. Apparently authorities were worried that she might knit an Afghan.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>i agree that evil (if it exists) must come from intent...moreso malice. but malice is a strickly human condition, a property. therefore, is it safe to assume that evil can exist but only if it pertains to humans? are humans somewhat responsible?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
i still wanna know this.
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Oh, I'm definitely convinced that evil is concept that applies strictly to intelligent life (notice, I do not restrict intelligence to human beings). Malice and intent are clear components of evil.
If my accelerator sticks and I drive over a pedestrian in the crosswalk, that's tragic. If I floorboard it and deliberately run down the pedestrian, that's evil. We all innately know the difference, and the difference is one of intent.
People may claim there is no such thing as evil or morality, but if that is so, there is no such thing as unfair or unjust or wrong, either.
If I walk up to you on the street and, without warning or reason, I punch you out and deck you, I guarantee you are going to take a moral position on that act. It is unfair to hit you when you're not ready and totally unsuspecting. It's unjust to hit you without reason or provocation. It's wrong. It's evil. We all innately know this to be true, even if we have a hard time defining or articulating exactly what makes evil evil.
But we know it when we see it or feel it. If we rationalise our way out of a belief in evil, if we intellectualize it away, well, fine, we can play those kinds of mind games. But evil is evil all the same.
Personal opinion: I think the main reason people want good and evil to be seen as mere human constructs without any objective reality is that we don't want there to be any moral law telling us what is right or wrong in any compartment of our lives. Eradicating the concept of evil means that there is no moral authority over our lives, and that is clearly what many people prefer.
That is not a universal statement about people who deny the reality of evil. There are many reasons for that denial, and some people's reasons are purely philosophical. This is not an indictment of any person who has posted an agnostic position on good and evil. This is merely my take on what I see as a major societal move away from a belief in commonly accepted standards of good and evil.
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SHATOUSHKA--
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>you are absolutely correct.
since you have finished the equation, i firmly say:
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS EVIL!!
(ha!) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I salute you for your consistency. I mean that sincerely--no sarcasm or irony intended.
If you are mugged, robbed, cheated, exploited, or otherwise abused or ill-used by someone else, you will not complain, you will not whine, because such acts are meaningless. There is no morality, no unfairness, no evil, and hence no reason to complain about anyone being unjust or unfair to you.
Of course, it's okay to say "ouch," because pain hurts whether it is "evil" or not. But at least I know I will never hear you say, "That's not fair."
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<quote>There is no such thing as Evil.</quote>
1. The world is the totality of states of affairs.
2. States of affairs are states between things.
3. States of affairs are not things themselves.
4. The Mind perceives things and conceives states of affairs.
5. Concepts pertain to states of affairs, not things.
6. Things are neither good or bad, and this also applies to states of affairs.
7. The Mind comprehends and apprehends things in their states of affairs.
8. Apprehension is a synonym to proprietorship or ownership.
(9. Ownership is robbery.)
10. Ownership (of either material things or concepts) causes advance.
11. Loss of such ownership causes recession.
(12. Where there is greed there is poverty.)
13. Pain is a symptom of loss.
14. Joy is a consequent of gain.
(15. No pain, no gain)
16. One's loss is not always another's gain.
17. One's loss generates one's urge to regain.
18. Sudden loss generates fear.
19. Depending to the gainer, fear either turns to hatred or piety.
20. No evil necessarily means god...
21. ... while god does not necessarily mean no evil.
PS. Forums are like real markets. People promote their ideas like merchants promote their goods.
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I think evil equals disfunctionality, as with any mechanism or tool it either does what it was designed to do and functions well or it doesnt and it breaks down. I have always seen it that way good works , evil does not work.
Good=works, evil=does not work.
How ever I do think the whole thing results in sort of an ugly dichotomy, maybe the original ugly dichotomy who knows.
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you are absolutely correct.
since you have finished the equation, i firmly say:
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS EVIL!!
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there is no Evil, just as there is no Beauty or Truth.
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then i suppose that if you were driving down the road one day and you happened to see a flying pink elephant hovering above your car...it would be safe to assume that flying pink elephants exist--definitely NOT a case of delusion--IF what you say is correct.
right?
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Thats not quite what I said. What I said was in essence that evil is mis--named.
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Evil is this, evil is that, evil is here, evil is not, evil brings pain, evil exists, evil is wrong, wrong is bad, bad is no good, good is god (less an "o"), god is but evil, god is a fraud, devil is (what?), I'm trapped in this shit, thank you very much.
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Without good *if there is such a thing* and/or truth *again, if there is such a thing* can evil *if it exhists* exhist??
a double edged sword all these things fall into, and I suppose it is funny. Evil doesn't exhist, just seperate ideas of obscure paranoia and personal insecurity, leading one to think that what they do is "evil" when in reality, it's just a simple problem that life hands them, of which they can't solve. A person kills millions of people, for reasons no one fully understands *Hitler* is he evil? I would venture to say not.
Evil cannot exhist, does not exhist. And if it does, then we cannot paint one person as evil without that same paint dropping onto each and every other person alive.
so it either doesn't exhist, or we are all evil.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>If you are mugged, robbed, cheated, exploited, or otherwise abused or ill-used by someone else, you will not complain, you will not whine, because such acts are meaningless. There is no morality, no unfairness, no evil, and hence no reason to complain about anyone being unjust or unfair to you. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree Jd. Meaningless. Life is just that. It doesn't matter what we do, how we do it, it doesn't matter if we do it at all.
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It is silly to say there is no evil when it is clear that situational evil exists.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>If, in accordance with your statement it is all meaningless, then what the heck are you bothering to do??, writing about it here.
Nothing better to do??
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In all honesty, yes, nothing better to do... I'm not gonna ask for you to prove to me how it is all meaningfull, because it just can't be done.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Nevermind that you seem to be inable to recognise that someone who was directly, and indirectly, responcible for the wanton deaths of millions, isn't somehow evil??
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I recognize what he did, and I don't believe he is "evil" for it. I think he was a bad person, but not necessarily evil. Like I stated, I believe evil doesn't exhist.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>. Evil doesn't exhist, just seperate ideas of obscure paranoia and personal insecurity, leading one to think that what they do is "evil" when in reality, it's just a simple problem that life hands them, of which they can't solve<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I stand behind this. Life said Hitler killed millions, you don't understand because your not him. To him he was doing good, so therefore, you labeled him as evil. Point in case.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>His activities were clear, his want of world domination quite evident<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It was not only world domination, his original actions were mearly to exterminate the jews, which is bad, but world domination came later. I'm sure there is much more behind the stories that you or I fail to recognize. It seems you forgot his main task, which makes me wonder just how much other things you might be missing when you reply acting as if we knew full well what all of his intentions were. We don't. We may know most of them, but not all.
as for if he had succeeded, well, i'm not interested in that. Why? Because he didn't so it holds no relevance... but I'm afraid I have gotten off topic.
My main reasons being that he was not necessarily evil, just a man who's mistaken thinking of people, led him to make mistakes as humans are prone to doing. It wasn't evil that made him kill, it was hatred, and mislead thinking.
which once more, brings me to conclude that "evil" doesen't exhist.
*on a side note, I was reading through the replies, and I had not read your comment about hitler, until AFTER posting these last two posts, kinda interesting. Funny even, that you mentioned him, and without knowing that, I once again mentioned him.*
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for what is 'freedom of speech' if not 'freedom of propaganda'?
its time to re-evaluate motive.
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oh geez, this is gonna be long, and I'm afraid strenuously boring seeing as a person bent my words around on me, which I suppose is a good way to keep semantics alive http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/wink.gif
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Apparently you have decided that it cannot be done, without even trying. Your loss, not mine, aside I personally believe it is meaningful, as I have found LOTS of meaning in my life.....but that is IMHO.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
eh hem, I have not decided without attempt. I believe Shatoushka could possibly provide witness at my attempts to find meaning in life...(?) But you have found meaning, great, and when you die, all that meaning is gone. Therefore, it's unimportant. Because you'll be dead, and it will then mean nothing to anyone. Point proven. http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
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It is amazing to me that you haven't studied the historical record of the person you wpould wish to characterize as a BAD MAN as it is clear enough from the records that do remain, he planned what he did, and his motives were quite clear in the manners in which he deliberately lied to people to gain further advantage in his Master plan for the master race
He was, from the beginning a liar and a murderer!
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Eh hem, I have studied the man whom i called a bad man. That is the reason I called him such, seeing as I don't believe in evil, it would sound awfully stupid for me to say 'he was an evil man' don't you agree? If there is a better word for bad.. attrocious, vicious, then feel free to insert it wherever I have bad stated. You seem to hold the word "bad" in very low value as to what it means. I think in all reality, your idea of "evil" is simply a heightened degree of "badness", your just refusing to yeild.
Your making 'evil' sound like your meaning 'very bad'. You imply it has religious connotations but have not led the debate in that direction as of yet... interesting.
as for being a liar and a murderer, have our leaders been anything but that? Need I mention the obvious debate of JFK in which our government killed it's own leader and lied to us? Or some would say that is what occured...but... at any rate, back to topic.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Perhaps the reason that you do not sense the presence of evil as existent, is because you deny an inner part of yourself, and you have no real experiance to obtain the sensation from, but I could be wrong, as I am only guessing here.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> You "guessed" wrong. I know about what hitler did, therefore, according to you, I should know that he is "evil" yet I think differently. What inner part of myself are you talking about? I think perhaps that needs elaborated on, if you can relate it to topic...
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The historical record differs on what you attempt to assert, nevermind the simplicity that someone stating that they are doing good, is NOT the manner to sit in judgement, you judge from there actions, and his were exceedingly clear.....why you ask??, because people LIE<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
this made no sense, however, what I got out of it is that you think hitlers actions were CLEARLY evil. But as I stated, in his mind he was doing as he saw to be for the good of mankind. And although he brainwashed many to kill for him, through lies, he was smart enough to do so http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/wink.gif. This is just reinforcing what I said about hitler being bad. Your getting horribly off topic.(or at least strengthening my argument as to the fact that he was a bad man) we all know what he did was wrong... your not doing a good job of proving he was "evil". Your just saying, he was evil. Tell us what evil is instead of arguing how bad hitler was, WE KNOW HOW BAD, sheesh...
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Firstly, for you to comment that his wanton assault upon the members of the Jewish Faith
"was merely Bad", WOW, what planet did you grow up on?? (my apologies, but I must, as that statement is just way to much!)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Eh hem, I did NOT state that it "was merely bad" I stated his task "was merely to exterminate the jews, which is bad" Meaning, he simply had one task on mind, I didn't mean that it was not diabolical and horrid. Let's not switch words where they don't belong shall we.
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You tell me that I forgoten his main task, but you fail to explain what that was, aside from the obvious world domination that has already been established as his goal of origin, as he himself apparently explained in the Book "Mien Kamp"(sp?) (I haven't read it, but I have accepted the testimony of many a learned persons, as seen on T.V., that have clearly attested to his intent as having been obvious from that book)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I did explain his main task was besides world domination, the extermination of the jews. Re read what I said for the first time. As for you "knowing" what Mein Kampf is about, perhaps you should read it, and not believe "learned peoples" who could LIE, just like hitler did, he wasn't dumb you know, hitler was quite learned.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>That you would quibble on this point as to attempt to hide his very EVIL activities, well, is it possible that you are a member of the Flat Earth Society as well??????????
(It is only a question, NO infferances can be drawn until it is answered!)
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Alright, I don't know what the Flat Earth Society is... for one, and for two, I never attempted to hide anything, in fact, you presented world domination, so i presented that he ALSO wanted to kill all the jews. So infact, I was telling MORE of the bad things he did. I shall ask you very politely to get your facts straight before you EVER attack with uneducated statements like THAT again. http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/mad.gif
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You seem to think that everything he did was "Just an accident", well, the easiest manner to realize if someones actions are accidents or intentional, is to look for the repetition, do they learn from the first "accident" and NOT repeat it, or do they learn from the first attempt how to do it in a bolder manner, as Hitler clearly did.
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Excuse me, but WHERE did i assert that his actions were accidental? If something was accidental I wouldn't call a person very bad for it. However, I think hitler to be an extremely bogus person. SO, your entire comment is once again pulled off of an assumption, on something I never said... READ what I say.
Your whole reply was extremely edgey, and very assuming, as well as attacking, changing things I said, and inventing things I simply did NOT say. Tisk tisk... http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/mad.gif
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SHATOUSHKA:
is there a such thing as 'evil'?
i'm not referring to a dictionary term or a slight understanding of what the word means.
i know what it means.
what i wanna know is, i cannot say because i have to use a word that i have grown to loathe... 'exist'.
so, technically, does evil, in fact, 'exist'?
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Firstly, please define, what do YOU mean when you say "evil"?
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I can't believe you, Sapius! You just come here, after the thread has grown that big, and you ask for definitions?
It must have been very brave of you to say "firstly" in the #28 post of a thread...
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Well doodoo, I have read the posts, some brilliant replies there, but what I have asked is an answer in itself, I do not expect a reply.
It should have been the very first question, and the argument dissolves.
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But then the point of the thread is useless. She was looking for examples, and opinions, so we gave them to her. I think you missed something...
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Sorry, I thought the question was... Does 'Evil' exist?
..and If we are not to take the known definition, then I find it the same as asking... does God exist?
..and there are many who have a totally different meaning of the word - God.
May be I misunderstood.
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Sorry, I thought the question was... Does 'Evil' exist?
..and If we are not to take the known definition, then I find it the same as asking... does God exist?
..and there are many who have a totally different meaning of the word - God.
May be I misunderstood.
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Sorry, I thought the question was... Does 'Evil' exist?
..and If we are not to take the known definition, then I find it the same as asking... does God exist?
..and there are many who have a totally different meaning of the word - God.
May be I misunderstood.
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I didn't say there is no point to the thread, all I mean is that the answer could have been reached sooner.
I'm sorry, but the question was... Does Evil exist? and Shatoush mentioned that a dictionary is no good, so how could one give examples and opinions without knowing what she means by 'evil'?
Anyways, don't take it that seriously. http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/wink.gif
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I didn't say there is no point to the thread, all I mean is that the answer could have been reached sooner.
I'm sorry, but the question was... Does Evil exist? and Shatoush mentioned that a dictionary is no good, so how could one give examples and opinions without knowing what she means by 'evil'?
Anyways, don't take it that seriously. http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/wink.gif
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I didn't say there is no point to the thread, all I mean is that the answer could have been reached sooner.
I'm sorry, but the question was... Does Evil exist? and Shatoush mentioned that a dictionary is no good, so how could one give examples and opinions without knowing what she means by 'evil'?
Anyways, don't take it that seriously. http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/wink.gif
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But then the point of the thread is useless. She was looking for examples, and opinions, so we gave them to her. I think you missed something...
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I did not say there is no point to the thread, all I menat was that the answer could have been reached much sooner.
If we are not to use the know definition, then we should know what is meant by 'evil', only then can one give opinions.
Anyway, Shatoush has the answer, and my question was an answer too.
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That was the biggest bunch of nothing I've ever heard, aside from some of my own posts. Those or Mr.Robins strenuously long posts.*no offense*
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