Open Letter to George W. Bush

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July 28th, 2004, 12:46 AM
Piña

Dear Mr. Bush:

I read that you have begun your summer vacation in Crawford. Summer vacation is a great time to see a movie - that's why so many blockbusters are released at this time of year. Unfortunately, my new movie, "Fahrenheit 9/11," has not been shown in Crawford (and didn't open 'til this weekend in Waco).

I write to invite you to the inaugural showing of "Fahrenheit 9/11" in Crawford at the Crawford Peace House, Wednesday, July 28 at dusk. I am very much looking forward to this Crawford premiere because, after all, so much of the film is set there in the months leading up to 9/11. Our Crawford premier will give us a chance to serve up some chips, salsa and a whole lot of truth - along with a film that I believe is all hat and all cattle, all sizzle and all steak.

If you graciously accept my invitation, I will also have the chance to thank you personally for being one of my Axis of Actors who star in the film (along with your Vice President and your Attorney General). And let's face it -- you've got the funniest lines in the film! We may even have an audience reading of "My Pet Goat" to celebrate "Fahrenheit 9/11" breaking through the $100 million mark at the box office.

Thank you for considering this invitation, and enjoy your vacation, for however long it may last.

Sincerely,
Michael Moore

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July 28th, 2004, 04:22 PM
cincygreg

I'm sure he has better things to do than watch that fountain of misinformation spout off in non documentary film format.
July 28th, 2004, 04:53 PM
Piña

Nah, he's just a mommas boy like you.
July 28th, 2004, 05:00 PM
cincygreg

Me a momma's boy? LOL!

I think it's time to change you diaper pinhead.
July 28th, 2004, 05:15 PM
Piña

Hey, I'm not the one here who's scared of a big bad film. Yeah, yeah, we know all about the "I'm not supporting that evil moore guy" rationalization. Truth is you're just another little wimp who just can't deal.
July 29th, 2004, 12:19 AM
Raven Soul

I can deal, I am just not supporting that evil moore guy.
July 29th, 2004, 02:56 AM
cincygreg

Oh, I'm so scared. I'm shakin in my shoes over this.
Get a life pinto bean.

I now return to fully ignoring you.
July 29th, 2004, 06:25 AM
Piña

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Originally posted by Quoth the Raven:
I can deal, I am just not supporting that evil moore guy.

Aww, Bullshit. You probably spend more on things you don't support before lunch everyday than you'd have to pony up to see Fahrenheit. This noble posture of yours is just that, a posture and nothing more. It's a conveinent excuse that you can point to and say what a principled kind of guy you are and you still get to wallow in self-inflicted ignorance. Not my ten bucks! I'm gonna keep that moore bastard from getting rich off my money, you betcha, yes sirree.

Here's a hint, the movie has already made $103 million and it is expected to just keep raking it in. You're really making a dent with your one man picket line. Mike will be crushed!

You say you're a movie critic? Hey, last time I looked movie critics went out to see pretty much all the movies. Not just the one's they thought they were going to like and not just the ones that they thought they were going to agree with. Cincygreg may have an excuse, he's braindamaged, but you don't get off so easy.

Suck it up and be a pro if you're serious about your work. Remember: If it was easy everyone would be doing it.
July 29th, 2004, 06:49 AM
Piña

Quote:

Originally posted by cincygreg:
I now return to fully ignoring you.

Works for me. 'Course your track record in the ignoring arena isn't, shall we say - the best. Let's see last time you lasted what, a couple of hours?

Consistent with someone who workships at the feet of a world class liar like bushette and his happy little band of evil dowers but hardly a convincing recommendation that we take you seriously. Not that I've ever actually taken you seriously, you understand.

I suppose I could try and talk you out of it. I was just getting ready to explore why you think calling moore fat is an insult, for instance. But, nah, I guess I'll just have to learn to live in a world without the warm sunshine and fuzzy goodness of your favored attention.

Oh woe.

Woe unto me.
July 30th, 2004, 12:47 AM
Raven Soul

Quote:

Originally posted by Pi?a:
You say you're a movie critic? Hey, last time I looked movie critics went out to see pretty much all the movies. Not just the one's they thought they were going to like and not just the ones that they thought they were going to agree with. Cincygreg may have an excuse, he's braindamaged, but you don't get off so easy.

Suck it up and be a pro if you're serious about your work. Remember: If it was easy everyone would be doing it.

Again, please find anywhere on this board where I said I was a film critic. I am a movie news reporter, I report the news... I have said that already, I believe once directly to you, but apparently you cannot read or just choose to simply ignore any fathom of fact. Let me say it one more time so next time you try to be a little smartass and catch me on something, we can all laugh at you?. I AM NOT A FUCKING MOVIE CRITIC; I AM A MOVIE NEWS REPORTER. Now if you don?t mind, I would appreciate it if you get off your fucking high horse, actually read the fucking posts that are on here, and go judge someone else because even from Seattle I can still smell your shit from here.

I patiently await your response.

Sincerely,

A Movie News Reporter, Not A Movie Critic.

[ July 29, 2004 09:47 PM: Message edited by: Quoth the Raven ]
July 30th, 2004, 01:04 AM
Piña

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Originally posted by Quoth the Raven:
A Movie News Reporter, Not A Movie Critic.

Oh, I see. A Movie News Reporter. I guess the difference is that critics act like professionals and take 'em as they come without prejudging. I guess reporters are the ones who get to make all kinds of disparaging remarks about things they haven't even seen.

I humbly apologize for making such a rudimentary error. Imagine, thinking that a reporter would want to see something before condemning it. What was I thinking.

You know with your never ending quest for the truth you might just be able to score a newsanchor position at FOX. (see my other thread)

Reporter, my ass.
July 30th, 2004, 01:57 AM
Raven Soul

Posted July 9, 2004: News Story Posted By Me About Fahrenheit 9/11

<blockquote>While I know a lot of people might not agree with Michael Moore and his beliefs it is hard to argue the fan base he has accrued with this movie, and now comes some news of people that are not fans of his in the least. It seems they don't like his message and therefore are refusing to play his movie. To be honest with you, while I do not agree with everything the man says, I do know he has a right to say what he wants and find it disturbing how people are now picking and choosing what they want to play.
</blockquote>

Seems to me I am sticking up for him, I mean it sure does look like it right here:

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while I do not agree with everything the man says, I do know he has a right to say what he wants and find it disturbing how people are now picking and choosing what they want to play

I even quoted the part where I said I disagree with him, because lets face it, I do disagree with him, but he does have the right to say it

Next Story:

Posted July 8, 2004:
Another News Story Posted By Me About Fahrenheit 9/11

<blockquote>While I do not agree with Michael Moore's ideas, it is very hard not to say that this film is not blowing away records left and right for a documentary. While I still have yet to see it, and to be honest with you I have no desire to, I am still utterly amazed at how it is performing. So why don't you go ahead and read on all the news about this flick and if you feel like it hit up the forum to talk politics.</blockquote>

Well, well, well, look it here, it looks like I am sticking up for him, again... that is twice for those counting at home:

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While I do not agree with Michael Moore's ideas, it is very hard not to say that this film is not blowing away records left and right for a documentary. While I still have yet to see it, and to be honest with you I have no desire to, I am still utterly amazed at how it is performing.

I even again posted how I disagree with what he has to say only to go on and praise the films success.

I know you?re trying to throw darts in the dark and praying something hits, but you might want to go back to picking on CincyGreg because you are making yourself look like an ass. Yet, if you have any more accusations you would like to throw at me, please feel free. I am here all night.

I again patiently wait your response.

Sincerely,

A Movie News Reporter, Not A Movie Critic.
July 30th, 2004, 02:23 AM
Piña

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And Raven spake unto the masses:
Michael Moore is a fucking prick. Fuck that stupid asshole. Fuck him; fuck the Weinstein?s, fuck those pricks that want to leave the country. Don't let the door hit ya where what ever deity you believe in split ya. I don't even like George Bush, but this fucking stupid arrogant no talent ass clown should be fucking bound and quartered for this stupid ass film, let alone any other ?documentary? he has made. I love how this piece of shit will blast America for all its wrongs, all the while living in his mansion somewhere no doubt counting all that American green he raked in because easily lead assholes actually think this guy some fucking clue as to what is really going on.
Source

High praise indeed.

Wuss.
July 30th, 2004, 02:29 AM
Raven Soul

Your right Pina, I did say that. You could not be any more right, I sure did say that. On this message board, not the movie site you keep trying to question me on.

Oh, and for those of you at home, I still believe what Pina quoted me on by the way. Thanks for showing everybody that, I almost forgot that post.
July 30th, 2004, 02:31 AM
Raven Soul

LOL! I forgot I even posted my dislike for Bush in that post. Hahahaha...
July 30th, 2004, 02:40 AM
Raven Soul

O and before you go off on a little tangent and try to "get at me" again.

On the movie website I have to be professional and can't really say things one would like, much like any job which I am sure you know all about. You simply can't say what is on your mind. However, I can here. I don't agree with, what did I call h im? O yeah.. Michael Moore that fucking prick. That stupid asshole. I will defend his right to say it, much like I have on the website.
July 30th, 2004, 02:44 AM
Piña

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Originally posted by Quoth the Raven:
Your right Pina, I did say that. You could not be any more right, I sure did say that. On this message board, not the movie site you keep trying to question me on.

Of course I'm right, that's pretty much a given. [img]wink.gif[/img]

Where you said it is irrelevant. If you are going to hold yourself out as a reporter anywhere you're gonna be expected to conform to the standards everywhere.

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Oh, and for those of you at home, I still believe what Pina quoted me on by the way. Thanks for showing everybody that, I almost forgot that post.

No problem, I live to serve. I almost forgot it myself. Matter of fact I was drafting an apology to you just before I tripped over it. Close call, that.

My point is still valid. As a self-proclaimed reporter you have a duty to the profession to get the best and most objective information on anything you write about. Doesn't matter if it's here or on your movie site. Professionalism doesn't clock out at 5pm.

In the case of Fahrenheit 9/11 the best and most objective information is first hand. So quit yer whining about how you hate moore, grab a bucket of popcorn and go see the &^*^%ing movie.

Hell, give me your address and I'll send you the stinking 10 bucks.
July 30th, 2004, 02:46 AM
Raven Soul

If your serious I will give you my email address and then we can discuss personally. Like I said before, you send it, I will see it.
July 30th, 2004, 02:51 AM
Piña

Just send it to me at [email protected].

I'll mail it after the 1st.
July 30th, 2004, 04:41 PM
travelinman

Quote:

Originally posted by Pi?a:
Just send it to me at [email protected].

I'll mail it after the 1st.

Waiting for that disability check are we Tommy? 10 bucks to much for you?

Sorry Raven, but if you take pinhead's money you will be spending your own on the ticket.

Unless of course he panhandles for it.
July 30th, 2004, 05:53 PM
Piña

Quote:

Originally posted by travelinman:
Waiting for that disability check are we Tommy? 10 bucks to much for you?

Sorry Raven, but if you take pinhead's money you will be spending your own on the ticket.

Unless of course he panhandles for it.

I think you missed bigotted slurs against homosexuals, homemakers, overweight people and minorities in that one, trav. Late night at the fetish shop?
July 30th, 2004, 06:20 PM
travelinman

Quote:

Originally posted by Pi?a:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by travelinman:
Waiting for that disability check are we Tommy? 10 bucks to much for you?

Sorry Raven, but if you take pinhead's money you will be spending your own on the ticket.

Unless of course he panhandles for it.

I think you missed bigotted slurs against homosexuals, homemakers, overweight people and minorities in that one, trav. Late night at the fetish shop?<hr /></blockquote>I know you are accustom to dispersing responsibility, but I was only referring to you.

Sometimes tommy you have to take it like a man. Opps, I forgot who I was talking to.

Got a job yet?
July 30th, 2004, 06:39 PM
Piña

trav

I was just amazed that you hadn't trotted out all the usual classes of people that you seem to feel are inferior to yourself. You do it on such a regular basis that I was surprised to see you leave a few out.

Let's see: Got a job? Damn, I haven't seen that chestnut in a while. You still have that problem with thinking homemakers are somehow worth less than people who work outside the home?

I suppose it goes hand in hand with someone who supports a yellow spined bastard like the deserter in chief who's too scared to so much as face his detractors. I wouldn't have thought the most powerful man on the planet would run whimpering from a mere film.
July 30th, 2004, 06:50 PM
travelinman

I don't have a problem with homemakers, any man or woman who chooses to stay home, take care of the house and raise a family gets all my respect.

I have a big problem with losers who claim mental disability and live off my tax dollars. You know, someone like you.
July 30th, 2004, 07:26 PM
Piña

Quote:

Originally posted by travelinman:
I don't have a problem with homemakers, any man or woman who chooses to stay home, take care of the house and raise a family gets all my respect.

Why thank you. I appreciate your giving me your respect. I don?t particularly value it but still it?s nice of you.

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I have a big problem with losers who claim mental disability and live off my tax dollars. You know, someone like you.

Now this is interesting. Where did you come up with any of the misinformation above? You been taking lessons from O?Reilly and are just making stuff up on the fly?

?Losers who claim mental disability and live off my tax dollars.? You are just such an ignorant bigot that I?m amazed your neighbors haven?t shot you by now. Why would you think that someone who has a mental disability is a loser? I suppose we should just round up all the people out there with down syndrome and march ?em into the nearest gas chamber, damned leaches on society that they are. I seem to remember someone else had that idea but it didn?t work out for logistical reasons. Oh yeah, he shot his own ass in a bunker somewhere. Now there?s a thought for ya.
July 30th, 2004, 07:32 PM
travelinman

Quote:

Originally posted by Pi?a:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by travelinman:
I don't have a problem with homemakers, any man or woman who chooses to stay home, take care of the house and raise a family gets all my respect.

Why thank you. I appreciate your giving me your respect. I don?t particularly value it but still it?s nice of you.

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I have a big problem with losers who claim mental disability and live off my tax dollars. You know, someone like you.

Now this is interesting. Where did you come up with any of the misinformation above? You been taking lessons from O?Reilly and are just making stuff up on the fly?

?Losers who claim mental disability and live off my tax dollars.? You are just such an ignorant bigot that I?m amazed your neighbors haven?t shot you by now. Why would you think that someone who has a mental disability is a loser? I suppose we should just round up all the people out there with down syndrome and march ?em into the nearest gas chamber, damned leaches on society that they are. I seem to remember someone else had that idea but it didn?t work out for logistical reasons. Oh yeah, he shot his own ass in a bunker somewhere. Now there?s a thought for ya.<hr /></blockquote>I'm refering to you pinhead, or did you forget all those soppy e-mails you were sending to GAE a few years ago. You remember, when you were so proud of yourself because you changed a light blub one day.
July 30th, 2004, 08:00 PM
Piña

Quote:

Originally posted by travelinman:
I'm refering to you pinhead, or did you forget all those soppy e-mails you were sending to GAE a few years ago. You remember, when you were so proud of yourself because you changed a light blub one day.

You'll have to refresh my memory on that. Go ahead and send me the copies to [email protected].

Somehow, I'm guessing that they'll come up missing like mr "dress up like a soldier" george w. bush's records have so convienently done time and time again. Or more likely, if you send anything, that you'll just pen them yourself ala newsmax.

[ July 30, 2004 05:01 PM: Message edited by: Pi?a ]
August 3rd, 2004, 01:39 AM
Lew

Hey Pina-

remember we were discussing accuracy a few weeks back....

I still haven't seen it, so this is qualified with an asterisk to that effect. But the story I read is that, in the movie, he shows a headline from a Bloomington, Illinois newspaper that said a recount of the votes showed Gore won in Florida. But I'm hearing that the newspaper has asked Moore for a retraction because they never actually ran that headline, and that it was the byline of a letter to the editor which only reflected the opinion of the letter writer.

Now, like I said, I don't know if that's accurate, but if it is.....well, if true, it's inexcusable, and it's things like that which can destroy credibility. Thoughts?
August 5th, 2004, 03:04 PM
Piña

Hey Lew

Don't know what to make of it yet to be honsest. I'm waiting to hear more before I comment though as the only stories out there track back to one or two sources.

I faintly remember a headline in the film but if memory serves it came and went quickly and I don't remember how it was presented nor what moore was trying to say with it.

If you have any links to responses to the paper's complaint please post them.
August 5th, 2004, 08:46 PM
Lew

Pina-

The only one I had handy was from your favorite site, Newsmax.com...

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...0/204734.shtml

But I have heard this on more legitimate news sources as well.
August 5th, 2004, 09:38 PM
Piña

Quote:

Originally posted by Lew:
Pina-

The only one I had handy was from your favorite site, Newsmax.com...

Thanks for the ref but frankly "newsmax" is about the most oxymoronic choice of names that outfit could have possibily chosen. If it came out in print I wouldn't wipe my ass with it even the only other choice had 60 grit printed on the back.

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But I have heard this on more legitimate news sources as well.

Yeah, I've seen a few articles here and there but they all resolve down to what the paper had to say with little elaboration after the initial story broke. I was amused to see a paper in Ireland thinks that the paper is suing and that it seeks $1 million damages.

As far as I can tell the only thing that's happened so far is the paper wrote a letter complaining and asked for $1.00 compensatory damages.

Haven't heard any response and the stories that I've read really don't add anything. I was hoping someone would have a clip online but that doesn't seem to be happening. Guess I'm going to have to go see it again. [img]smile.gif[/img]

A question that I have is what sort of window of liability would it open for moore if he paid that $1.00. Would it be an admission of copyright infringement or something else and would it set him up for a real suit down the line?