Anything StarTrek

Lets put anything regarding StarTrek here. Whether it is TOS, TNG, DS9 or Voyager.

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Here is a little info regarding who knows what (nothing) regarding the series ending: </a href="http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/tv/ryan_finale_010102_wg.html"> http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/tv/ryan_finale_010102_wg.html</A>

Nommy, can you repost the link? It didn't work for me. Thanks.

Ran, just take out the </a> that appears at the tail end of the URL and it orter work!

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The Red Witch

Try this one: </a href="http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/index.html">http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/index.html</a>

Nommy,

What about the next series. Any rumors on when it's meant to start?

And the next movie, Isn't it about due figuring 2 years between releases?

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Sindatur - The Grey owl Wizzard

Yes, there is some writeups on the next movie. StarTrek X...but no working title yet. Berman says they are creating a super villian comparable to Kahn. Well see...there is also speculation that Data will die in this one.
AS for a new series, I havent read anything more recent regarding a new series.

I have heard that there will be at least a year without a Trek series on TV. There has been some feeling that the franchise has gone a bit stale and needs a breather.

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Well, I personally think the Trek universe in general has kind of worn out its welcome for me. There's nothing fresh about it at all. Voyager was such a major disappointment for me in the respect as it was supposed to be outside the normal Trek bounds and could therefore be new and reminiscent of TOS. But nooooo, they had to do just the same old things even to the point of finding ways to bring in people from the other Treks. I'd much rather see Trek series. I think this should be the end. Movies okay, but no more TV.

A trek academy show might now be bad. They could explore some fresh territory there. Showing different races teenagers learning to work together type thing. But they would need a good writer and a willingness to do something different.

I, personally, don't think an acadamy series would last. For me, I need t o see MANY new and exiting areas of exploration.

I have an idea, they can make a new TRek series and have a 5 minute Serial trailer at the end of each show. Hmmmmm

It would be nice, in a way to see a new series with less emphasis on BEMs. I agree that an Academy series could get old pretty fast, but some inter-reaction with Earth from time to time would be interesting.

Voyager was disappointing, mainly, due to it's static general theme. How many episodes of a lost ship can one take, after all?

Too bad we couldn't have a new series with Jean Luc.

To the powers that be: "ginesthoi"

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by absom4:

Voyager was disappointing, mainly, due to it's static general theme. How many episodes of a lost ship can one take, after all?

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If they had just stopped to ask someone...anyone...for directions, it would have saved them and us some grief!

I personally would like to see something along the lines of DS9. Not the storyline, but components that make up the show.

Character driven, Arc driven, Lots of mythology and Politics.

Although B5 did the total Arc thing sooner, DS9 did always have the politics and mythology.

Feel free to throw your stones at will

[Sindatur and Blair duck]

Wait that didn't come out right. I meant Sindatur and Blair (owls), ducked out of the way of possible incoming.

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Sindatur - The Grey owl Wizzard

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I have to agree on Sindatur's DS9 comment. I think in many ways, this Trek series was the best of the lot. I have always liked continuing stories and DS9 had some of that after the first few seasons. Characters actually developed, changing over time, too -- something that was not seen in previous series and not very much in Voyager.

I don't think an Academy based series would do well at all. It would be like 90210 in space -- appealing to teens, perhaps, but it would be hard to write in such a way to appeal to the diehard Trekkers.

I have heard two ideas that have been tossed around for new series:

(1) Setting the series in the time that Vulcans made contact with Earth and real space exploration was just beginning;

(2) Developing a series based on the "New Frontier" characters (these are found in a series of Trek based novels).

Any thoughts on these possibilities?

I have the horrible feeling that we, as original Trekkers are probably getting to the point of no return for the networks. Series aimed at the younger fans are considered more profitable.
This, of course, makes little or no sense. The commercials, if aimed at an older generation, would certainly hit some better stuffed pocketbooks than those carried by teens.
I agree with Rowyn that a series based on the Vulcan first encounter would be interesting. After all, Star Wars did a back flip.

ginesthoi

Maybe "Buffy the Klingon Slayer" could have a little something for everyone....;-)

Count me among the DS9 fans. I'm sure there are a bunch of similarities between DS9 and B5. But there are a lot of differences as well.

DS9 had great character development. I can't think of any glaring plot lines that got dropped. The end of the series left me feeling satisfied.

I especially like the way they handled Jadzia's death in the last season. Instead of throwing a character in and expecting us to accept her. She had to get Jadzia's widow Worf to accept her. And Jadzia's friends like Kira. I didn't hinge on one character to show this transition. It was spread across several characters, they all interacted.

I really did like B5. But sometimes I got the sense that square pegs were being shoved into round holes. That characters were interacting because it was scripted, not because it made sense for the characters. Most notably, the characters that should have been around for other characters that weren't. Franklin not noticing that Mr. G was back in the bottle. After Garibaldi's chasing him during his stim addiction, he SHOULD have! Zack, yeah, Zack made some sense...but Garibaldi and Franklin were close. Garabaldi and Franklin were both addicts. Yeah Franklin was busy, had his own stuff. But Garibaldi was there when he was busy, had his own stuff.

I never really got this feeling watching DS9, relationships that were established were followed. O'Brian and Bashier, an unlikely duo, became friends over time. Kira and Odo, their relationship built up over time. I wasn't a huge fan of their relationship, but it was done well and rang true.

I miss DS9, but because it was a damn good series, rather than loose ends.

OOOOOH, Rowyn,

I hadn't heard that about the Vulcan first contact idea. That could be really cool.

Back before the Klingons were our friends, back when the Romulans were new.

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Sindatur - The Grey owl Wizzard

I liked all the Treks, and B5 (Closest thing ive seen on TV to REAL SF! I think Harlan Ellison had a lot to do with that).

My fave Trek series was DS9, after the first season as the cast settled in, and when they got more of a story thread (the war with the Dominion) Prolly a reaction to thier competitor B5.
Id like to see a series based on Sisko, Worf, and Dax (Jadzea, and yes, I know she is dead!) where they have to go on a prolonged war cruise in hostile space (Pick a race, the Cardassians were great bad guys) and have to compromise thier Federation beliefs even more than in DS9Throw in Quark for some levity.
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Absom, a bit about advertising dollars. What you say about appealing to older viewers, because they have the bucks, of course makes sense to us. However, I saw a news magazine show about older script writers, and their inability to get work. These are people who leave off their resumes the fact that they wrote scripts for M*A*S*H or Mary Tyler Moore because it dates them. Hollywood is only interested in writers who can "relate" to the younger demographics. It is assumed that writers in their 30s and 40s can't relate to the 18-25 crowd, and that is who the advertisers most want to catch.

The current thinking among advertisers, and hence what Hollywood has to follow, is that older viewers are already set in their product choices. We have made up our minds, so why bother trying to sell us? However, the younger audience hasn't made that choice yet. They are more easily influenced by advertising. Dunno how valid that thinking is, but that's pretty much it. That's why shows like Diagnosis Murder, aimed at an older audience, are few and far between.

OH! Off topic, but an interesting observation. During the Super Bowl, Pepsi's new commercials will NOT feature the little girl who lip sincs (badly). Apparently some of their focus groups referred to her as "that annoying little girl"! ROTFL!!

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I may be a distinct aberration, but there is nothing in this world that I would consider worse than the lack of change. Any new product that comes along, I will try immediately. Now I am not so egotistical as to think I am unique in this point, so there must be loads more people my age or there about who are not stuck in some dark hole of commercialism.

The problem in the entertainment industry is one of youth oriented blindness. Those 'old people' shows they kept showing like "Murder She Wrote" and "Diagnosis Murder" did NOT appeal to me or any one else I am acquainted with in my age group.

Sorry to appear grouchy about the subject, but I have given up Network TV this past year since we switched to satellite. Viva la choice!

Yeah, Network tv generally sucketh. I bounce mostly between SciFi, History,A&E, Discovery. Not much PBS though. Actually, lately when I get the change (not easy with my TV addicted housemate) I turn the thing off.

Concerning the Pepsi Girl: There was discussion at Televine about how annoying she is. I decided to see what I could find out about her on the Net and discovered she is held in great derision by many people. There is something about the way she is presented that she comes across as very annoying. I wonder why the ad company, or Pepsi, didn't pick up on that before it got to be such a widespread feeling. I hope the child isn't harmed by the derision.

Concerning the hiring of youthful writers and actors:

When I wondered what it is about the actors on the Jules Verne series on SCIFI now that strikes me as wrong, I realized that they are all pretty and young people, they come across as unseasoned and pallid. Surely there are actors out there who have some character in their faces and presentation.

Yup...I wholeheartily agree. Black scorpian was made for the hormonaly impared...aka teens. (not that I mind looking either, but I have grown into a more serious scifi minded person)

LOL, our Nommy is growing up! http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/wink.gif

That poor little Pepsi girl was just plain spooky. I think it did have a lot to do with the poor job of lip-syncing and that awful gutteral vice they dubbed in. On the other hand, I do kind of miss the Taco Bell dog although the commercial had probably run it's course.

Arghh! That was supposed to be voice, not vice.

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Concerning the hiring of youthful writers and actors:

When I wondered what it is about the actors on the Jules Verne series on SCIFI now that strikes me as wrong, I realized that they are all pretty and young people, they come across as unseasoned and pallid. Surely there are actors out there who have some character in their faces and presentation.
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Ah, yes, there certainly are, BMat. The bigwigs in TV (read a derisive tone here) don't think they have any appeal to a younger audience, and that's who they're aiming at. For an example of the youth-oriented drivel available, watch Black Scorpion. If you can stomach it. Anyway, us old f@rts apparently don't count anymore. :-P

Pepsi girl:

Yes....creepy is the word for her, she made me clench my teeth. Even subsequent commercials where she was supposedly teaching a star how to sing, and those where she just said "duuuhhh"- creepy and unappealing.

Again, off topic on the Pepsi girl, I really didn't understand the whole concept.
a) She's kinda homely.
b) She can't lip sinc.
c) She can't dance.

So I figured she must be some top exec's grandchild.

Yeah, the Pepsi Girl was quite annoying. Poor thing, she gets the Wesley Crusher treatment while a child. Hopefully she has loving parents.

I heard an anecdote about the actor who played Wesley showing up at a Trek convention discussion group where they were totally bashing him. Of course, he was adult when this happened, and had some fun by piping up with a comment that "He wasnt THAT bad!", the room went into dead silence. http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smile.gif

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Old Wesley showed up on the "Invisible Man" last week. Played a villainous computer hacker.

I just got a flyer from Slanted Fedora Entertainment (www.sfedora.com). They put on good scifi conventions -- mostly Trek oriented -- across the country. I went to one last year that was excellent. It included live theatrical presentation by Armin Shimmerman and Rene Auberjonois (Quark and Odo) as well as appearances by all the Ferengi family. (I posted a long description of this convention on SFV2, if anyone is interested.) Slanted Fedora's convention schedule this year includes a convention in Connecticut this spring with Brent Spiner (Data), Gates McFadden (Dr. Crusher), Wil Wheaton (Wesley), and Denise Crosby (Tasha Yar). B5's Claudia Christian (Ivanova) and Mary Kay Adams (Na'Toth) are also appearing. There is also a mega convention in Vegas in September. If anyone is into Trek conventions, check out their website. http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/cool.gif

Love that title.Slanted Fedora, hey? Wonder how they thought that one up.

Darn! I missed Wil Wheaton? I HATE the move of Invisible Man and Farscape to Mondays. I work Monday and Thursday evenings and never remember to tape. I would have liked to have seen that ep. And I'm one of the few people in the world who liked Wesley for the most part. I decided it wasn't his fault the writers overdid him.

Reg Black Scorpion and Jules Verne - yuck! Well, Scorpion, anyway. I've seen all of one episode and portions of others. I'm turned off on this one. Jules Verne couldn't keep me past the opening scenes. Someone (I forget who) mentioned earlier in this thread that the actors were too young. That's probably what bothered me. From what I saw I didn't want to keep watching those insipid people, even with a promise of seeing John Rhys David at sometime during the show. Is he a regular on it, or was he a guest?

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Still reading,

Jandy

Love the Iman, but can't stand this year's villainess. I hope they don't have too many eoisodes with her. Every time she spits out all that water, I want to throw up.

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OK. I like the invisible man move and the First Wave Move to Mondays.

B.S. sux!

Jles Verne couldnm't keep my attention.

AAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGG....I misssed the last FarScape. Does anyone know if they are going to re-show the end?

Jandy,

I'm sure it's a typo, but, just in case you're under the wrong impression Farscape is still on Fridays. Lexx and Invisible Man moved from Friday to Monday and Cade Foster (Damn now I can't remember the name of the show) moved from Sunday to Monday

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