Well, the first one is loading slowly. Must've hit that magic "100" post count.
Discussion of the Sci Fi Channel's series Farscape
We cannot mark spoilers at this site, so be warned there may be spoilers for an episode you have not seen.
Printable View
Well, the first one is loading slowly. Must've hit that magic "100" post count.
Discussion of the Sci Fi Channel's series Farscape
We cannot mark spoilers at this site, so be warned there may be spoilers for an episode you have not seen.
At the beginning, D'Argo's response to Aeryn saying that the ship in the cargo bay being a deadly hazard to Moya and crew? "We're already destroyed, Aeryn. It's just that some of us don't know it yet.", ?is a belief on his part that the crew is emotionally destroyed, and not that he thinks they will all die. I don't believe for a moment that Moya will be sacrificed! Nor even one of the regular crew! This is a reflection of the state of D'Argo's mind & low moral. All the near deaths & actual deaths, the emotional tug of war between Chiana & D'Argo and John & Aeryn, Pilot in a coma, Moya at death's door & with the possibility of abandoning Moya & Pilot, Zhaan's deteriorating health & Bailar Crais's seemingly profound loss at the thought of losing his one reason for existing [Zhaan], is having a toll on D'Argo, not to mention everyone else. It was good to see D'Aargo coming to some sort of terms with Chiana, even if only to be on speaking terms.
John's feelings/attachments to his buds & love for Aeryn, not even mentioning his fear for Zhaan's predicament, VS's his feelings for returning to Earth, are really being played out in this episode. His need to put problems on hold while investigating the wormhole seems to have put many things in jeopardy. I sympathize with his dilemma while sensing that this may be a common theme for a while. We see that John feels that he has some sense of obligation to go to Earth to share the knowledge and wonders he has experienced, not even to mention his acute homesickness. He views, and obviously so, the need to get to Earth before Scorpius and his legions can, not to mention some of the horrors that may get through from the UT to wreak havoc on the human race should the passage to Earth be left wide open!
As an afterthought, I wished I had kept this taped episode as I wanted to put in slow motion the feedback that Neeyala's Phaztillion Generator recorded in the wormhole, although I did recognize the 'Three Stooges' in the fast clip. Still, I would like to see all the pics that were on the recording & now I can't. [%$#*7@**!!]
Another Interion wakes up named Jool. How about that screech of hers?!?! Notice how her hair is lighter when she's placid and how it turns bright red when she's pi#@*ed or emotionally distraught? We get to see D'Argo do his tongue thing again to disable Jool, before she can off John, put up to it by pesky Rygel's lies about John that he fed to Jool. Still, his broken nose would be sufficient reason (in the view of some), a timely and opportune way to get back at a much more powerful opponent, even if that opponent were a friend and colleague.
What is with Stark hitting on Aeryn? Showing true colors to make it easy [for the viewing audience] to be the candidate to be offed? [If there truly is to be a candidate to be permanently offed!]
Can hardly wait to see how John evades the snake thingy.
on wormhole tech:
in the episode in which crichton originally meets the wormhole aliens, they trap him by creating a fake wormhole showing Earth ('urp') at the far end. John takes the Farscape into the wormhole and arrives back on what he thinks is Earth ('urp') but is actually an illusion.
one point the aliens make in this episode (and now I think they did it deliberately) was to show Earth ('urp's') reaction to having an open wormhole in near orbit. in this scenario, the wormhole was permanently open, and had been directly over Earth ('urp') for several months. the human race is, to say the least, terrified, uncertain of what might come through the wormhole at any moment.
this was, of course, all part of the illusionary story the aliens created to study Crichton. however, i think they were also warning him, that the human race would be extremely vulnerable, if not defenseless, in the face of another species that could create such a gateway.
hence, in some sense, Crichton has already seen the terrible consequences this technology could bring, and that is one reason why I think he is now obsessed with establishing human control over access to wormholes.
iz
Man! Now they are going to be chased by advanced peoples who want the Wormhole info. These guys can be made invisible.
OK, I relly thought Stark could have set off the reactor to separate the ships. He is, aferall, made up of energy. Right? Hecould have coallessed somewher else. Just doesnt make sense. However...since her soul was intermingled with his when she went..could she possibly have taken a part of his abilities.\? Hmmmmmmm
Otherwise...DAMN! I will miss her character immensley and I doubt this will sit very well with the fans.
So, does Chrighton still have that gizmo that recorded the wormhole stuff? His best friend still seems to be Scorpy! Go figure.
Nommy,
Sit well with the fans? No, absolutely not!!
We went through week after week of "Death of the week" where everyone else recovered with a miracle (Actually, almost the whole season was miraculous re-incarnation for someone) and then, when it's such a simple plot point to find a planet Zhaan can root herself in, Real life comes in and frells it up. Zhaan is my favorite character, and she's gone just like that. And Nommy, I was rootin' for Starke to find a way through that door so he could disperse himself someplace else and save Zhaan too.
And, now, she's part of him. Lord please come up with another miracle to separate them and bring Zhaan back to us.
Uhm, am I the only one who recognized the plot device to bring her back shown in the next episode preview?
And we did see her reflection in the ship after she was gone, so she may not be completely gone...
The preview for next week had D'Argo telling Cricton something to the effect, "Don't change anything in this timeline, or we might change events as they happened!"
Gee, plot device to bring Zhaan back? And don't say they wouldn't do that, they already did with Cricton and Aeryn when they grew old on that planet....
SIW part II is a sobering episode. I didn't believe that any of the cast would be eliminated, but I stand corrected.
Now Zhaan is gone, & with her goes a very important part of the Moya family. What I want is for Zhaan to be somehow brought back, & there are indications that this would be possible (for one, she is listed on the rest of the eps, isn't she?), but if she is not brought back & simply resurrected via Stark's quasi mental abilities, then I think that would be disappointing. I resent the way the episode has unfolded.
[Azziz, just read your post about plot device to bring back Zhaan & I agree, but gonna put this next paragraph in anyways since I have it all typed out]
The trailer for next week deals with the Moya having time traveled, if I'm not mistaken. What if they pick up Zhann from the past? Not necessarily in next weeks' episode, but on down the line, when the writers & producers feel it is time to bring Zhaan back. Could happen! Another way to bring back Zhaan [and this isn't my idea, I read it from another poster somewhere.], deals with growing a seed from Zhaan to maturity & having Stark & the rest of the crew (Whomever had Unity with Zhaan), to then transfer Zhaan's essence back into the Zhaan clone/seed. This essentially happened in 'The Search For Spock'.
Jool was in form & luckily so, as her piercing scream blunted/melted Neeyala's poisonous barbs and saved Crighton. I was thinking that the sonic waves of Jool's screams, if it is possible to melt metal, most assuredly would destroy the tissues of the ear canal on living creatures. If and when, in the rest of the episodes, the crew repeatedly says ?.. 'What?', 'Huh?', 'Come again?', 'Say What?', & 'You wanna run that by me one more time?' ?..every time they gather for conversations, now you'll know why! Heheh.
I feel that Chiana & D'Argo will probably get closer again, if not back together. I guess that's a no brainer, in lieu of this episode.
Liked the way Rygel was affectionate to Pilot, even though Pilot was beginning to get uncomfortable about the situation. It was funny the way Rygel was petting Pilot.
One of those rare moments when Aeryn Sun displayed strong emotions, when she tried to stop Zhaan from triggering the Phaztillon Generator at the end.
Won't be the same till Zhaan is brought back!
Asis?
The only thing I caught was that she may be part of Starke now. Kinda like John and the Scorpy clone thing. What'd you see?
Well, I haven't watched Farscape from the beginning, even though Nommy has been carping on me the last two years to watch. :-) In any event, having just started watching the essential Farscape episodes, and trying to catch up, it's fairly easy to see that Zhaan is the crew's spiritual center. They lost their soul when she departed.
As for bringing her back, I'm torn. Part of me wants to get to know her better, as she appeared to be a really great character. But part of me believes it would cheapen the series to bring her back. We've already seen it with Aeryn, and the doctor, and it's pretty cheap and easy. It's the kind of thing they do on Star Trek. I don't like it.
So, I guess in the final analysis, my vote would be don't bring her back. I guess I wouldn't object to growing a new Zhaan from a seed, but I think she should be someone different, though obviously played by the same actress. The new Zhaan shouldn't have access to her predecessor's life experiences, and should get to develop in her own way.
Shoulda spaced Starke instead.
Well the latest Farscape episode, "Eat Me", was one you want to watch while you're not eating... The jury is still out on this one as I'm still digesting it(excuse the pun).
I did notice on the opening credits that Ms. Hey is not mentioned...I wonder if that means she is gone for good.
She isn't shown with the group on the website either. http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/frown.gif
I'll talk more on the ep later as I am still digesting it as well http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/wink.gif
I just checked Virginia Hey's website--no real mention of anything there. I didn't see any update date there, either. She does list her appearance schedule--this weekend (as in, today) in Denver, June 9-10 in Australia, June 22 in Tulsa (do we know anybody who might be going?), August 3-5 in New Orleans (anybody going?), and September 1-3 in Burbank.
Hey Syc!
Can you post the url for her website? I'd love to check it out.
I am also figuring this one out. It was a strange one. My only thought at this point is...POOR PILOT (the other one).
Kind of a claustrophobic piece, not unlike the dark atmosphere quality of Alien. 'Eat Me' kept me interested, especially with the tense 'watch your back' pace.
Really felt for Pilot #2, what with the horror of having his appendages constantly being eaten off after they re-grow. When Pilot #2 says "Kill me" to John, it reminded me of when the cocooned colonist in Aliens pleaded with the marines to kill her. Anyways, what a circumstance!
This 'twining' that was going on was a refreshing variation of the cloning theme. I wonder how many peace keepers there were originally before being 'twinned' into mental obscurity? One of these days they're gonna run out of ways to kill the crew & be able to bring em back readily. (There's been a lot of cheating death this season.) Too bad they didn't use the twining plot device to bring back Zhaan. (I've pretty much given up hope that Zhaan will return, at least in any enduring way.)
OK. I know I may have mentioned this in this forum before, but I am watching the nasty Nebari episode in the Farscape chain reaction right now and there is one line I absolutely love. On the surface, this is intense, not funny, but when Rigel retorts to Crighton, "I am nobody's puppet," I lose it. Just ROFLMAO.
And at least we now know there will be more new episodes starting on June 15th.
Did anyone see the movie 'Pitch Black'? In any case, I only recently saw the movie (Which I thought was rather well done), & you can imagine my surprise to see Aeryn Sun (never remember her RL name), in a role that mirrors her Farscape character traits in many ways. I hated seeing one of those strange burrowing/flying demons grab her away.
ROFL Polly. You know that didn't even occur to me?
Jasoom: Coolness bud.
Actually, I found it ironic that both of the puppets (Rigel and Pilot) couldn't be puppets of the evil Nebari.
BTW, I forget the name of the episode but it was the one with the Budong, written by Ben Browder, Aeryn did mention that it was "pitch black" in there.
------------------
Drago Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Yeah Rantarn, I picked that up right away when Aeryn said that.
About last weeks episode, I thought Rigel was a goner for sure, especially when his outfit was sutured into his stomach.
About Aeryn's Mom, what a tough cookie!
[This message has been edited by jasoom (edited July 13, 2001).]
Well, well. Scorpius inside his own head, communicating with the neural chip in the form of John Chrichton, showing him his past. An almost... almost... sympathetic Scorpius.
I wonder... Was he grieving for his mother's suffering, or humiliated at the truth of his origin?
fanuilhgkar, heh heh heh, how true! I never....never....never....never...never.... thought I would come close to any feelings resembling sympathy for Scorpy, but ya know what, I came close! (Think the writers were/are trying for this)
I got the impression he (Scorpy) was feeling grief for his Mom's suffering, but with him, who can be certain? I know I got riled up watching her being tortured. Actually, I got riled seeing the young Scorpy tortured.
Could really sympathize with Pilots needs in this episode.
I could be wrong, but I don't think I heard Jewel scream once this time around??
The crew (or what's left thereof) is breaking out with cabin fever.
No Zhaan, no Aeryn, hell no Rygel to kick around... Yup, cabin fever it is.
Scorpy was sympathetic this episode, but ulterior motives lurk right below the surface.
I don't buy that he doesn't want power. Revenge and power arn't that far away from each other.
No Zhaan, no Aeryn, hell no Rygel to kick around... Yup, cabin fever it is.
Scorpy was sympathetic this episode, but ulterior motives lurk right below the surface.
I don't buy that he doesn't want power. Revenge and power arn't that far away from each other.
I certainly didn't feel any sumpathy for Scorpy, but I did very much enjoy finding out more where he is coming from, what motivates him. He'll never not be a villain. That's him through and through. But, he has never been just a 2-D bad guy either and this ep made him even more 3-D.
One thing I am not sure about though is how much of what he does is for himself and how much for the Sebaciens. (I hope I spelled that right.) I got the impression that it was quite a bit of the latter. That by Peace Keeper standards, Scorpy was really a hero. Again, that's by PK standards, so he's still a villain in my book and certainly no one better exemplifies "The end justifies the means" than he does.
What did people think of the special Saturday ep? Mrs. Ran and I were busting a gut at the huge amount of innuendo between Crighton and Aeryn. Those two have chemistry! "Bad mist". "Naughty mist." Too funny.
[This message has been edited by Rantarn (edited July 16, 2001).]
Rantarn, I to enjoyed the innuendo filling the air between Crighton and Aeryn (& throughout Talyn). I liked the entire Saturday special. I wasn't sure if the 'Meltdown' title was referring to Talyn's mad plunge towards the sun or the enhanced 'energies' bestowed upon Crighton and Aeryn's natural gusto. Seems Mu-Quillus's pulsing siren lure enhances certain traits. I just new that Rigel-(AKA-Sparky-Porky) was sure to have an increased appetite. He's so funny.
Liked the new character Sierjna. She brought out an interesting quality in Stark that I hadn't as yet noticed other than with Zhaan, which was one of commitment. (Not sure if that's the word I'm looking for exactly but will have to do)
Asis, definitely agree, Scorpy wants power as no. # 1 priority imho. All other concerns are secondary.
http://www.scifi.com/farscape/journe...ep312_img2.jpg
http://www.scifi.com/farscape/journe...ep312_img3.jpg
One teensy-weensy little question. Did I miss something? I thought Creighton fell into/bumped into/travelled through the worm hole by accident (ie, doesn't actually know how to purposely create one). I'm assuming the story line continues because if Scorpie finds out he doesn't actually have this knowledge, John is toast. One the other hand, it appears in the past couple eps, he does have the equations, knowledge. Help, please!
Here's what I'm wondering... I don't know if this is what will happen, but I wonder if it will turn out that humans are immune to the tissue-liquifying effects of wormholes and that Scorpy will come after John again for that reason. Farscape 1 didn't have any special shielding of course and the chances against getting a wormhole without which would not cause the ill effects are astronomical. Even with the best shielding both Sebaciens and whatever race that other woman was still got frelled by the wormhole. What if, just through some quirk of physiology, humans have some sort of innate wormhole resistance?
[This message has been edited by Rantarn (edited July 20, 2001).]
Hi Syc!
I bleieve that either Moya of Chrighton now has the info that was given to them from that last group of Wormhole travelers that travel out of phase. <p;> So, not they will become a hunted ship by the ones who ship was destroyed with Zaahn on board. So, along with Chrightons prior knowledge and the newly learned info on Worm holes. They know the parameters to look for a natural one, I thinbk. Can anyone give more info on this?
Scratch and Sniff. I guess it's an appropriate title, 'cause everyone was sniffing each other and John and D'Argo did get their scratch stolen. Did they ever get their currency back, I missed a bit here and there? I actually was thinking more along the lines of "Milking It" as a title though.
I actually really enjoyed this episode. It hit real close to home with me metaphorically.
My partner actually reminds me alot of Chiana. Extremely seductive, wild and full of life, everyone wants to get to know him, and alot of less than desireables try to suck the life outta him.
Plus it was a partying episode. Funny, last night was the first time I drank in a couple months and the first time I got to watch Farscape outta more than 1 eye in quite some time too.
Very creepy episode too. And Pilot was great, he's changed, acted more like he thinks he's the leader.
And the Preview for next week, Is the wormhole alien returning, or was that some other entity with John's dad's face? If it is the wormhole Alien, it oughta bring a major bang to the arc. Missed Aeryn, Crais, Talon and Rygel, but not Stark
Scratch 'N' Sniff was a bit too plastic for my tastes but nevertheless stuck it out to the end.
Thought D'Argo's "aura morph" was amusing.
Liked Raxil. (Think that was her name?) Had some funny moments communicating to John & D'Argo vis-?-vis her mannerisms.
Next episode looks really promising.
I guess I've just got to stop watching while running up and down stairs doing laundry, etc!! There was not much sense to be gleaned from that ep under those circumstances! LOL!
Hi, Nommy! Thanks for the input.
Well, now. Last night's was quite an episode. T-John is dead, having sacrificed himself to save the others. Furlow is still out and about with whatever she knows about wormholes and the device.
When John tells Aeryn they'll go to Earth as soon as they finish up there I thought, "Uh oh." Not so much foreshadowing as forebludgeoning, but so it goes.
I thought the bell tolling over the last scene when John dies was very effective. And Claudia Black did a superior job of portraying heart-rending grief, no?
I wonder how Aeryn will react to M-John when the crew gets back together.
Anybody notice how easily Aeryn got that dune-buggy thing back upright? Sure seemed it should have taken longer; must be something to that Peacekeeper workout routine.
My favorite line (and it was close, there were several good ones, like when in response to Furlow's question "How much sex can ya have?" John says, "I don't know, I haven't maxxed out yet."): Crais has delivered the ultimatum to the Scarran Dreadnought. Stark, standing behind him and looking very serious, intones, "They must be terrified." I howled.
[This message has been edited by fanuilhgkar (edited August 04, 2001).]
[This message has been edited by fanuilhgkar (edited August 04, 2001).]
Well put, Rantarn! LOL!
Thanks, Fan! I was wondering whether there were still 2 Johns. Please explain, though, who is T-John and who is M-John.
Well, Nommy, I guess as a result of these eps we now know how John went from accidental wormhole traveller to knowledgeable wormholer!
John M. is the John still on Moya. John T. is the John who just died who was on Talyn. Just our way of keeping track. http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/wink.gif
Too many great lines this ep, the the one in the buggy and Stark's "Oh, I bet they're scared now" or whatever were the two best.
Regarding Aeryn and John M. I think this will be fascinating. Think about it. Before Aeryn met John she was a PK who basically had no heart. With the origional John and more recently John T. she learned to love. For someone who has buried thier emotions as a rule, learning to love and going thru this incredible heartbreak is a stunning blow. Hell, to a normal caring person it is quite a blow. But in this case more so.
And poor John M who has been sort of pining away for Aeryn is going to reunite and not know what hit him. I expect that Aeryn will completely, totally and utterly shut down her feelings for John. "You're not John!" And even thou he'll be told, he won't be able to comprend the depth of her behavior towards him.
I'm interested to see how Rygel and Crais behave towards him as well. Oddly, I think Stark will be the most accepting of John M. In many ways he is the most enlightened and introspective of this crew. Aside from the funny lines. ;o)
Boy, you finally get rid of the Scorpy clone from your head and unlock the wormhole secrets so you can go home, and then you die. Some days it doesn't pay to chew through the leather straps. :-)
I too am curious how Aeryn will react to the other John. Certainly he is in as much love with her as this one was, but will she feel the same?
Thanks, Assis! That's soooo logical! (Next qx: Which is the original John and which is the clone?)
No one knows wich is the "twin" and which is the original. Not even John T and John M. D'argo and Chianna had some hearache over whether they, as the survivors, were the original of themselves or the twins.