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Hello...I'm new to the world of super 8, and have been reading that 18 fps is standard for silent shooting. So does this mean 24 fps should be used when using sync sound? I'm going to be shooting a music video that requires a bit of lip synching, and just want to make sure what speed I should be shooting at. Thanks!
18 fps will playback faster than reality. The faster the actors/players move the more this becomes obvious. I filmed an aggressively fast band that came out looking like a cartoon!
Then again, I don't know what causes more drift (descrepancy in filming speed), filming at 18 fps or 24. Seems like my old cameras film more steady at 18 fps than at 24 fps. If you are really serious and have money to invest in this get a camera crystal synched and it will film at exactly 24 fps. But yes, I believe you will have an easier time synching at 24 fps because at 18 fps their lips will be moving faster than the music!
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ December 17, 2002 06:52 PM: Message edited by: c_77 ]</font>
Great, thanks!
C_77 is a right about fps thing. Look at "depend on your camera" Like he said camera with only 18fps which is regular motion than camera with 18fps and 24fps that it would be speed like charlie's dance real faster because of speed. There are many ways to do syn sound like I used. I focus on picture fine because film is hard to have a fine picture that way i can use syn record to add the music and the voice to have match the picture however NOT PERFECT match because of timeline on edit system but a fine picture with sound which it is all PREFECTLY, Barkfectly sorry my dog is barking. Jerome, deaf filmmaker
One more thing to add. Sound can be caution because of sound real everywhere that can stick sound on film even accident drop something or anything that be hurtful to your budget of buy a roll of film,... Jerome
Am I missing something here?
sharonhardy says she's shooting a music video, which implies a film-to-video transfer. Whether she shoots at 18fps or 24fps the video is going to be 30fps and require a pulldown, meaning the video will not look speeded up. I see no reason why sound cannot be synced to 18fps just as it is synced to 24fps.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#DDDDDD"><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Actor:
Am I missing something here?
sharonhardy says she's shooting a music video, which implies a film-to-video transfer. Whether she shoots at 18fps or 24fps the video is going to be 30fps and require a pulldown, meaning the video will not look speeded up. I see no reason why sound cannot be synced to 18fps just as it is synced to 24fps.</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>
So how does a pulldown work? Do they double-up every other frame during the transfer or something? Where can I read more? I have shot a lot at 18 fps to use with sound and figured I could put it in the computer someday and magically make it work. But post synching a wild camera, and wild sound is no easy feat; I'm sure of this.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ December 18, 2002 11:48 PM: Message edited by: c_77 ]</font>
Is The Filmmaker's Handbook still in print? Do you know who the author is? I searched Amazon for it and couldn't find it.
still in print. i can't seem to locate my copy. it's written by two people. one named Pincus i think. the whole title is a Filmmakers Hanbook, a comprehensive guide in the digital age. try again. Borders carries it.
which is more right 29.97 or 29.98? since I know is 29.98 but 29.97? learn something for me. I am curious about plume's book. Jerome
NTSC video plays at 29.97 fps, not 29.98.
Got it, rollemfilm, thank you. Amazon has it after all. The reviewers all rated it five stars.
I found it when I searched for the author Pincus. The full title is "The Filmmaker's Handbook: A Comprehensive Guide for the Digital Age" and the authors are Steven Ascher, Edward Pincus, Carol Keller (illustrator), Robert Brun, Ted Spagna (photographer).
Okay, so basically it requires a pull-down, regardless of whether I'm at 18 or 24fps? Do I have to let the transfer folks know what speed I shot at? Thanks!
Word of Music Video often got people confusion. Film or Video however of course best off with film than video however use cinema tool to have DV go down to 24fps as I understand that Canon XLs can adjust to 24fps is that true? What about Camera with 18fps only which is speed equal to 24 fps with camera of 19fps and 24fps? Teach me! Jerome, deaf filmmaker
I went searching for the meaning of pulldown a few days ago. If you google it, you'll get lots of hits.
Basically, it's a frame to video field mapping technique to enable 24 fps film to display properly on a 29.97 fps interlaced 525 line (NTSC) video screen (TV).
Of all the sites I found that try to explain pulldown, the one I liked best was an Arri technical document:
http://www.arri.com/infodown/cam/ti/p-1008.pdf
Here's another good one:
http://www.dvdfile.com/news/special_...2_pulldown.htm
read all about it: The Filmmakers Handbook, published by Plume
I forgot that I used kinoplex camera for my film class that 18fps runs regular than 24fps since its' 24fps will be little slow motion. Sharon, about dv to shoow the film to transfer thru telecine. Tell me how will you transfer it to videotape or a dvd or minidv format? That way, i can picture if how you transfer. If you want to use DV camera to transfer it that you might will need use canon xl camcorder that it can adjust to 24fps as I understand. please stop me before i may use canon xl to shoot to transfer from telecine name is multiplexer. Thanks! Jerome, deaf filmmaker
I'm sure you have to let them know what speed you filmed at, as well as do a few other things. You probably will have to prep the film according to their instructions, or pay a bit extra for them to do that for you. I can't believe that you will achieve the same look, or picture quality by filming at 18 fps - going to 30 fps. Won't there be more flickering, etc? I need to do more research on this subject.
-Chris