Hi guys
I'm looking for a snaredrum that would work as a good allround snare with a fat sound (6? ?) and a lot of crack. (Not that kind of crack!)
I play mostly rock, r'nb and countrymusic.
I would be very grateful for any suggestion.
Thanks
Eagle
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Hi guys
I'm looking for a snaredrum that would work as a good allround snare with a fat sound (6? ?) and a lot of crack. (Not that kind of crack!)
I play mostly rock, r'nb and countrymusic.
I would be very grateful for any suggestion.
Thanks
Eagle
I have heard a lot of people suggest brass snare drums from your description. I have played the Steve Ferrone snare drum (6.5"x14" Beaded Brass) and it is pretty sweet. Try one out.
The dennis chambes signature snare is the nicest snare i have ever played and has that crack sound that i love. he does normally tune it tight but i have seen him slacken it off and it sounds like a rock snare......brilliant drum.
So many choices..........The Black Dawg by World Max is a very inexpensive Black Beauty copy. It's a brass with coating. The Steve ferrone snare i the same drums as this. The guy whom started World Max was from Pearl and designed many of the drums pearl offers.
Picking a snare though is like picking cymbals, it's all personal taste and what works for you and how YOU usee it. Or in this case, TUNE it. Everyone tunes different and what one person says is a great drum verses how you tune could be the wrong drum.
A generic size would be to get a 5x14 in either Maple or Brass, or gravitate to a 6 1/2x14 in the same materials. Yamaha makes some really nice snares. The new Steve Jordan is a nice sounding drum, I think it's a 13"? Now a 13" in a 5-7" depth makes a great all around drum, great body, attack and depending on the type of rim the cross stick can be fat. Just my opinions, but I own well over 20 snares and each one has it's own personanlity.
Man,snare drums are all about research.So many good companies offer alot of options.Follow Randy's post about personal preference.U just gotta pick an afternoon and hit a well stocked store(and well run store with cool peeps) and check out snares.Myself,i use a 13x5-1/2 maple Dunnet.The best snare i have ever touched.But ive played/tried lotsa diff. snares.The Yamaha Steve Jordan snare,again,is great.Akira Jimbo snare is super versatile,and easy to tune.I've always liked Pearl snares,great ideas from that company.I borrow my buddies Keplinger snare from time to time,which is the second most georgous drum ive ever played.Ask your music store if they will let u borrow snares for a night or 2,and do that research...............beats
Wow, thanks for some great tips/suggestions. It will be a tough decesion to make but I'm thinking either Ferrone, Fig, Jordan or Jimbo's signaturesnare. It's hard being a drummer sometimes (eh?) when they all sound so good.
By the way, heard Vinnie mention a while back that he uses 'Longo' snaredrums. Anyone have info. about Longo drums (if that's the correct name) ?
I, too am in the market for a snare drum! My birthday is on the 28th, and I expect my beloved Carol to step up to the plate... I want a fat snare. Not just "fat," but PHAT. Lewinsky PHAT. For instance, I love Vinnie's snare on Zildjian New York (probably a 6.5 or 7 inch maple or birch). I was thinking of a 6.5X14 pearl brass sensitone. Steve has a sensitone, and it's the loudest drum I've ever heard. Plus, they're beautiful looking and reasonably priced ($250 at guitar center).
But is it PHAT enough?! Help me out here.
If you have the money, my suggestion is either a Dunnett Stainless stell with wood hoops ( i have one) or search ebay for a COB (chrome over brass) Gretsch like Vinnie uses. Both of these drums provide phat, crack and body, the most versatile snares a person could have in his or her arsenal.
just get a steel pearl export snare and buy yourself a nice little china to go along with it.
Steel can produce alittle higher pitch where brass and bronze are in the warmer side of tone. 1 of Vinnie's main snares is the Gretsch Chrome over brass and he cranks that bad boy up. But it's a 5x14 and size can also play a huge part in the over all tone.
TBo, there's a Dunnett 6.5x14 at GC you might want to check out. (Hollywood)
Has anybody tried Simon Phillips' signature snare drum(s)? An opinion, anybody? I haven't got to try one myself yet... The 14*5.5 looks interesting.
Is there any real difference in sound between brass and steel? Or is that a bunch of hokey?
The Dunnett stainless is an all around great drum, very fat, lots of attack and great bottom end to it. One of the few multi purpose drums I own, The Dunnett TI (titanium) drums are good too, but can go out of round because it's such a thin shell, not a drum to used on many club gigs. Does not take much to turn it into an egg.
Ludwig 402.... tuned well [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]
Okay, guys. I did it. A 6.5X14 sensitone is on the way. Check out this place; they have the lowest prices I've seen: http://www.midwestpercussion.com/drums/snares/pearl/
Looks good and a great price. Should sound nice. Pearl drums are very kelw, especially they Masters custom, where you design your own shell and finish.
Hey amigo consider a Pearl Ultracast 14x6,5" snaredrum. Besides a very positive test in Modern Drummer and a Dutch magazine I have very good experiences with this snaredrum. And it isn't very expensive!
The Ultra cast is a good drum, I have one but but IMO not as versatile as say a stainless Dunnett or a Brass type shell.
Randy, I'm strongly considering a Dunnett Stainless. I play a mix of rock, blues, country. I know these are personal things but can you help me with the 14 vs. 13" question and the wood vs metal hoops question. I probably will chose the 6.5 depth
Close your eyes and repeat after me.....
Ludwig Black Beauty... Ludwig Black Beauty... Ludwig Black Beauty...
It's amazing and depending on how much you tighten it will work in any situation.
wood hoop will give you a fatter cross stic sound, where the diecast or metal hoop will sound bright and a tad on the brital side.
13' verses 14"? personal choice there.
13" will give off less overall overtones where a 14" might produce a little more especially depending on the shell type (metal verses wood).
If you're good at tuning, it really won't matter shell diameter though.
The best snare drum I've ever heard is a 13" Innovation acrylic snare drum.
I heard Chris "Daddy" Dave play it with M'Shell N'Degeocello last year.
Incredible...
I talked to Chris, and then Steve Badalament, the owner of Innovation Drums about that drum after the show. I asked how much a snare drum like that would cost...
He said $2500!
I gotta tell you, that baby sounded incredible...
Apparently a lot of top "name" drummers have a secret studio stash of Innovation drums- but of course they can't advertise that...
Steve got shafted in this month's Modern Drummer. Chris is featured, but shown playing Sonor drums in photos. What a slap in the face.... [img]tongue.gif[/img]
Innovation Drums
I'll also have to go w/ Black Beauty. Wonderful snare. I also love the Dennis Chambers signature snare.
black beauty's are chrome over brass...?
black chrome over brass.
The Paul Leim signature Yamaha snare is a nice alternative to the Black Beauty.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey Randy, have you ever played that Paul Leim model? I just checked it out at Yamaha's site and it seems like something I would LOVE. If you HAVE played one, was it 5 1/2" or 6 1/2" deep?Quote:
Originally posted by Randy Walker:
The Paul Leim signature Yamaha snare is a nice alternative to the Black Beauty.
Can get a 6.5X14 BB for $462, a Dunnett stainless for $575 and the Liem is significantly more than the BB too!
I own a 5x14 Paul Leim.........use quite often.
Personally, I think the quality of the Yamaha verses the standard BB is better.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So was this drum just introduced this year? I think I'm going to grab one. Any idea where I can order it for the best price?Quote:
Originally posted by Randy Walker:
I own a 5x14 Paul Leim.........use quite often.
Black Beauty Baby!!
http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAM...R/LB416BT.html
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I swore off Ludwig snares (and drums for that matter) years ago when they (the company that is) wouldn't help me out with some replacement parts.Quote:
Originally posted by Drumdoc69:
Black Beauty Baby!!
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I'm not sure they make a 5.5X14 Weckl aluminum any more do they Randy??
Randy, are you sure the Ludwig's are seamed? AFAIK, they are still using seamless shells as always. I'm curious to know because I love those drums. Ludwig is under-rated IMO.
i could be wrong Derek, for some reason i thought those were seamed.
and to answer the question about the weckl drum, correct those are not made anymore at the moment.
I tried out the new Yamaha copper nouveau snare (14x5.5) and it just kills. Great tone, power, but not as harsh as most metal drums. Copper is softer than steel, brass and aluminum. It sounds almost like maple with just a hint of metalic tembre.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">As far as I know, all the metal Ludwig snares have always been seemless.Quote:
Originally posted by Derek DeFields:
Randy, are you sure the Ludwig's are seamed? AFAIK, they are still using seamless shells as always. I'm curious to know because I love those drums. Ludwig is under-rated IMO.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Do they make one of those in a non-nouveau model?Quote:
Originally posted by Henry II:
I tried out the new Yamaha copper nouveau snare (14x5.5) and it just kills.
A Yamaha 6" maple is a great choice. If you have the chance to hit a few of the same size and make you will hear a huge difference in sound. When I worked at Musicians Institute in Hollywood they had one that sounded like god and everyone who played that drum including guest artists played that snare drum and loved it. It had a crack to it like no other. It cut like hell and had a good enough tone. But the crack was like hell yes. Go with Maple if you are going country bra. Metal is a different animal. Stay with wood. That is what the rest of the drums are made out of. Since when have you heard of a metal tom tom?
The Paul Leim snare was introduced a few years ago........something to note, be on the look for the older version of this snare. The newer versions are SEEMED shells, not seamless like the original such as mine,.
Something to consider when looking at say a BB with a cost of 600+, those shells are not seamless and neither are Dunnett shells.
Not to say the Dunnett snares are bad for I own 2, but if are going to compare drums, you need to understand the difference in how the shell is made and not the price tag.
retail on the original PL snare was 900 something, retail on a Dunnett is 900 something, seamed verse seamless........1 is handmade 1 is machined.
Your paying money for a seamless shell, the other you are paying for the labor of 1 guy building you a custom snare.
I have mentioned this here before, but ALL Yamaha metal snares are now seamed shells........if you want a killer snare, the Weckl aluminum is the best all purpose snare IMO. slap a really nice wood hoop on top...........again, it's now seamed so look on ebay.