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All I can think of is "ka-boom"--
obviously trying to over-boost to get some #s for a customer.
Wow though, if I only had that mcuh power!
I don't know man, it seems kinda fishy. With horsepower actually being a function/result of torque, the numbers look a little strange. I could be wrong though but if he is really putting that kind of power down, it sure the hell isn't with 9-10 pounds.
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98 GS-scR w/ 8psi JRSC, Walbro HO fuel pump, AEM cai, Airmass header, Thermal Exhaust, Skunk Works cam gears, J&S safeguard, Ground Controls and KYB AGX's, and of course to slow down, KVR X-drill F&R rotors and Carbon Kevlar pads and V1 to signal the slowing down and soon to go on a Carbon Fiber diet and RC 310 steriods
it's clearly a very wrong dyno.. it's a fraud..
Bryan
If you don't believe me give Dynamic Autosports a call and ask them 949-457-1234 adn ask them about my car!!
turbo00: do yo have any gauges in the car??
k
What's so hard to believe? I am used to seeing 270-290whp from T3/T4 powered stock-bottom B18Cs at 7psi with a full exhaust.
Open downpipe and 9-10psi can easily equal 320whp. Incredible Turbo00! http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/eek.gif
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Mark - Darth Boost - Turbo Mafia
98 Pearl Black GS-R, DRAG Gen. 3 Turbo
13.2 at 114MPH (GTech/Pro w/Drag Radials)
What is so hard to believe? My bud Shawn with just a 94 GSR and Drag GENII turbo kit with 8psi and a Thermal 3" exaust made 288 at the wheels. I saw this run myself, this isn't heresay.
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94 GSR Turbo
Drag Gen II kit
Bensons built bottom end
other goodies
15psi
Turbo Mafia...Have you had your V8 today?
Seriousely the Drag Gen 3 kit is way better than the Gen 2 kit( not trying to piss anyone off) But if you ask any shop they will tell you the same. What can i say if you don't believe me??
Now where can I get a Drag Gen 3 (at a good price)for my GSR????????
yeah, where can I get a drag gen 3 kit for cheap? Sell my 8 PSI JR kit and I just need to safe a few bucks. Now who can smog my car in Cali for me? If anyone is good with "fixing laws" to make Turbos legal in the eyes of the law, let me know. I'm investigating the move.
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Silvino Orozco http://www.geocities.com/silvino_orozco 221HP/161TQ at the wheels - corrected)
'97 Integra GS-R w/JRSC (8 PSI), DC 4-2-1 Ceramic Headers, Walboro 255lph High pressure fuel pump , AEM Cold air intake, Powerstop rotors/Axxis Metal Master brake pads, A'PEXi Dunk Exhaust, J&S Safeguard unit,NeuSpeed rear Swaybar, Eibach Springs, Clutch Masters Stage III clutch (not in dyno run), AEM cam gears (installing soon), Energy Suspension motor mounts (not in dyno run)
That is some pretty crazy power, but how long will it last???? Not that I wouldn't love to have that power on tap but it is hard enough to play nice with 8 SC lb's on tap. Besides the shortage of funds to pay the *up keep" on a turbo I also would like to see my car last as long as it can on the SC and then rebuild and go the 12psi + NOS route http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/biggrin.gif OFF/ON http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/wink.gif
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98 GS-scR w/ 8psi JRSC, Walbro HO fuel pump, AEM cai, Airmass header, Thermal Exhaust, Skunk Works cam gears, J&S safeguard, Ground Controls and KYB AGX's, and of course to slow down, KVR X-drill F&R rotors and Carbon Kevlar pads and V1 to signal the slowing down and soon to go on a Carbon Fiber diet and RC 310 steriods
isn't 9-10 psi the upper limit of the stock injectors on a b18c? thats some awesome power you made though .. but is it safe to push 9-10 psi w/ stock injectors daily?
Well then what does the Drag kit use for fuel supply and metering? There is no way the stock injectors alone can support 320hp (~380 at the crank) at any reasonable a/f ratio. Does it come with an additional injector or two? How much boost was it set to? What did the a/f ratio look like over the rpm range? What fuel pump(s) and/or injectors does the DRAG kit come with?
I'm not disputing the results, in fact I think they are rather reasonable. But I have literally NO info on the DRAG kit and what is supplied with it, so I'd like to know how they plan on supporting these HP levels.
Turbo00 I'm not insulted at all. I've seen the Drag III kit and I agree. Watch your wastegate though.
Silvino I got something to email ya. The wastegate dump routed back into the downpipe is one. Turning the boost down to very low levels is another. Of course you'll need a boost and fuel controller like the Apexi stuff. That way you could have it set low and it works together.
You want closest to stock settings as possible. I live in Atlanta and last summer our smog was worse than Calis. It was on the news. Our emission laws are just as bad...almost.
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94 GSR Turbo
Drag Gen II kit
Bensons built bottom end
other goodies
15psi
Turbo Mafia...Have you had your V8 today?
[This message has been edited by BoostJunkie (edited March 17, 2000).]
I never thought that it was the actual emissions that turbo cars fail, I thought it was that it would never pass the visual inspection which is a big thing here in California. The moment they open your engine, they look for all the carb numbers for the parts that aren't suppose to be there. I can't imagine any qualified mechanic that would overlook a turbo and wastegate staring up at you from the turbo manifold.
Jon
That much power from 7 PSI? I thought about 250 WHP was a good Turbo run for 7 PSI and 10 PSI being somewhere around 280-290. I believe Turbos can do it but with so low boost, it's pretty amazing.
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Silvino Orozco http://www.geocities.com/silvino_orozco 221HP/161TQ at the wheels - corrected)
'97 Integra GS-R w/JRSC (8 PSI), DC 4-2-1 Ceramic Headers, Walboro 255lph High pressure fuel pump , AEM Cold air intake, Powerstop rotors/Axxis Metal Master brake pads, A'PEXi Dunk Exhaust, J&S Safeguard unit,NeuSpeed rear Swaybar, Eibach Springs, Clutch Masters Stage III clutch (not in dyno run), AEM cam gears (installing soon), Energy Suspension motor mounts (not in dyno run)
Can you please describe conditions on the dyno--what fuel octane used, boost, a/f ratio, the fuel system and control, timing control, etc.
The dyno is not a fraud, the axes are a different scale on each side. The torque curve is very representative of a blown GSR, although the torque peak is quite high and late in the RPM range. Enough boost will do that.
Well my exhaust wasn't disconnected and i had no timing, no fuel controller and i was using pump gas 92octane and the waste gate is the stock delta gate that comes with the kit. Like i said NOTHING BUT THE DRAG KIT!!!!
Jon is right. It isn't that turbo's can't pass a sniffer test. If you have a FI kit without CARB #, you will not pass. Before I got the JRSC for my car, I contacted the CARB office by e-mail and phone. I asked about gettting my car tested at a "referee" station. "It is up to the manufactures to get CARB approval". I was told even if it ran clean, I couldn't get a smog certificate. That is why I didn't get a DRAG or F-MAX turbo system even though they make way more power.
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95 Civic SOHC VTEC, JRSC,JR fuel pump, RC 240cc inject.,Greddy exhaust,Ground Controls,Tokico Illumina,rear ST swaybar,Nuespeed f&r upper bars,GAB lower f bar,f&r camber adjuster,Powerstop rotors w/ Porterfield pads
Yup, that's the same reason that I went with my JR kit in Fall of 98, the fact that I could get it smogged no problem, that and the fact that I would have something that I thought would never be this popular, hehe...
Can someone please tell my how the DRAG3 kit handles fuel supply and metering? Or if not, point me in the direction of a website where I can find more about the entire kit?
I read a article in one of the mags on a DRAG GEN 3 install on Civic SI. The pictures show a fmu that looks like a vortech. The shop that did the install ,which I think was Dynamic Auto, also recommended using the Fields controller.
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95 Civic SOHC VTEC, JRSC,JR fuel pump, RC 240cc inject.,Greddy exhaust,Ground Controls,Tokico Illumina,rear ST swaybar,Nuespeed f&r upper bars,GAB lower f bar,f&r camber adjuster,Powerstop rotors w/ Porterfield pads
What gear was this dyno pull done in ???
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'93 Civic Si H/B with B18C1, JRSC @ 8psi
Best 1320: 12.68 at 110 mph
heh Maddracer, you go to UCLA? I've seen a white GSR with 18 inch Te-37's around campus a few times. I just looked at your profile and I saw the GSRBruin email addy. Just wondering, love those wheels though....Go Bruins!!!!hehe, maryland sucks...
Jon
hahah yeah thats me, hey jrsc gsr are u the one with white car with the body kit?
i'm not really into kits but i do love ur jrsc
maryland does suck
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99 white gsr
18x7.5 te37
oem front lip
tein type na
greddy exhaust
intake, JG tb, aem pulleys,
FI coming soon.. i hope
hey silvino i'm really sorry to hear about ur caar, but if ur lookin to get rid of ur jrsc i'd be happy to take it off ur hands
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99 white gsr
18x7.5 te37
oem front lip
tein type na
greddy exhaust
intake, JG tb, aem pulleys,
FI coming soon.. i hope
Yup, that's me. Heh, I share your opinions on my body kit, it was something I did a few years ago in high school, wish I could get rid of it, but my original bumper was messed up, that's why i got the kit in the first place. Maybe we should meet up sometime next quarter, after finals this week and I'll take you for a ride or something.
Jon
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97 GSR, JRSC...of course
, RSR Header, Tanabe G power Medallion, AEM Intake, 17" Advan RG's, CRV Crank Pulley(Soon), BTM(soon), J&S(soon)
yes we should definitely meet up next quarter. my friend has a 93 prelude si/vtec turbo on volk challenge who lives in sproul. we should all meet up so i can hear what a super charger sounds like.
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99 white gsr
18x7.5 te37
oem front lip
tein type na
greddy exhaust
intake, JG tb, aem pulleys,
FI coming soon.. i hope
I recently put a gen 3 on my 91 integra.
At 5 psi what HP#'s do you think I would be getting?
The only thing for fuel in the Drag kit is a new fuel pump and pressure riser.
I also just purchased a BTM from MSD, will it work with My Crane HI-6, and what retard setting should I use?
hey i go to ucla too!
my car is in shop the right now tho...
my manifold cracked and turbo failed (yes my life sucks)
should have it back by after spring break tho. i think i've seen the white integ with the TE-37s. i have a black one with stock 97 GSR wheels.
vic
[This message has been edited by turboB18C (edited March 22, 2000).]
Ok, so now my question is, how do I pull that off with a supercharger? =) I figure stronger rods, lower comp pistons, smaller pulley for more boost, send the blower to endyn to get their $1500 service that reworks it for better efficiency and lower output temperatures, 4 to 1 headers, bigger exhaust, J&S, bigger fuel pump, bigger injectors, and a stronger ignition, and I ought to be just about there.
-Mike
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'95 GS-R Sedan Dark Green
Injen intake, DC Ceramic 4-2-1, Greddy SP
GC Coil-overs f/r 380/250 lb/in, KYB AGX f/r 2/3
soon: GC 25mm rear sway
hey turbo b18c Ive seen ur car, it has smoked tails huh? hey we should all meet up after the break with the jrsc gsr
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99 white gsr
18x7.5 te37
oem front lip
tein type na
greddy exhaust
intake, JG tb, aem pulleys,
FI coming soon.. i hope
damn you UCLA guys!! j/k..USC is in minority over here..just lil ol me http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/frown.gif
Well screw all you Cali boyz with all your fancy imports all over campus!!!!!j/k What about me way the hell over here in Nebraksa? I am the only FI car (H&A) in town besides a guy with another GSR with a Drag II and he is in highschool about to seel it since he is leaving for college http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/frown.gif It really sucks a UNL, but the football team kicks a$$ http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/wink.gif
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98 GS-scR w/ 8psi JRSC, Walbro HO fuel pump, AEM cai, Airmass header, Thermal Exhaust, Skunk Works cam gears, J&S safeguard, Ground Controls and KYB AGX's, and of course to slow down, KVR X-drill F&R rotors and Carbon Kevlar pads and V1 to signal the slowing down and soon to go on a Carbon Fiber diet and RC 310 steriods
hahahah if u want to see imports , go to UCI
irvine, its like import ho off everyday
did i say ho off? i meant show off haha
You got that right, University of Civics and Integras is exactly what you find in Irvine. It's pretty funny because my bro goes there and he says everybody dresses like they're ready to go clubbing every day to school, it's pretty funny. I live down there too, so I see a lot of the cars. They have a lot of type-r conversions at that campus, I think I saw 6 different ones in one night driving around the campus. Heard most of them are LS's though, hehe, so we should all go down there and just smoke everyone of them and make them wish they spent their money on some go, to go with that show...
Mr. Rogers, too bad our football team sucked big nutz this year, last year they were good, but basketball is gonna make up for it by making it to Final FOur, I hope, hehe...
Jon
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97 GSR, JRSC...of course, RSR Header, Tanabe G power Medallion, AEM Intake, 17" Advan RG's, CRV Crank Pulley(Soon), BTM(soon), J&S(soon)
MADDracer: yeah that's my car with the red taillights...they were painted candy-apple red, but it looks pretty dark at nite.
email me when you guys want to meet up.
i should have my car back by 1st or 2nd week of spring qtr.