HELP!

What kind of music do you like to listen to?

rock mostly...
but i'm open to anything. Especially jazz.

Hey
i've been drummign for about 3 years but haven;t found many drummers that i can look at and be amazed (besides the obvoius vinnie, dave, dennis, buddy, etc.) so if anyone can give me some names of drummers i should check out i'd appreciate it! thanks

Before I discovered the fusion guys I was a Neil Peart fanatic (drummer for RUSH). Part of me still is but regardless he is definitely someone to check out. MOVING PICTURES, PERMANENT WAVES are both great (and IMO signifigant) CD's to check out. Not only a truly amazing and innovative drummer but one of my favorite lyracists as well.

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ July 10, 2002 03:13 PM: Message edited by: Steve Holmes ]</font>

Neil Peart most definitely!!! Someone that I've followed, since forever, is Bill Bruford. Especially w/King Crimson and his own group, aptly titled...Bruford. Great stuff. He has a style and sound that is immediately recognizable. Great innovator of "forward thinking" rock drumming.

Clint

Check out Bill Bruford's "One of a kind" album. It was voted best recorded performance in the Modern Drummer's readers poll when it came out.

We shan't forget Stewart Copeland's efforts, most notably on the Synchronicity album. I neglected to mention Neil Peart earlier cuz I took it for granted he made the A list already... Look to Chad Smith from the Chili Peppers for some sick Grooves, too.

listen to john bonham for power, creativity, and big beat riffs... not vinnie, granted, but moving stuff..... anything between 68 - 75

you might check out the website www.drummerworld.com

It has millions of drummers and audio samples

Akira Jimbo!!!
I saw him on the 2000 MD Festival DVD and my jaw's still on the floor.

I've heard Marco Minneman's a monster, too, but have yet to see/hear his stuff.

Hope this helps.

Two Words

Jeff Porcaro

Nuff Said!

Check the "Train Song" sample with Vinnie available the Steve's site. In this sample, Vinnie tell everything according to me. His drum track is.......I have no word, no word.
Check it (several times...)

definetly check the drummerworld site. make time to check out elvin jones,tony williams,steve smith,simon philips,roy haynes(gives classic examples of beat displacement),terry bozzio,john blackwell(prince),virgil donati(technician supreme-no feel though),jo jo mayer(my current fixation-he is also a technical junkie,he knows buddie's little tricks),cindy blackman(her jazz repatoire,she loves tony williams),manu katche,carter beauford(dave matthews band),?uestlove(dope hip-hop grooves from The Roots),john stanier(helmet),mike bordin(ex faith no more),abe cunningham(deftones),louie bellson,carlos vega(who vinnie replaced in karizma.if you listen to rock make sure you are familiar with matt cameron,tim alexander,and danny carey(these guys along with chad smith defined drumming in the 90's).theres no history like drumset history,it will prepare you for the future.happy hunting!.........much respect......beats [img]cool.gif[/img]

Check out Steve Fidyk, drummer with the United States Army Blues band, based in Washington, DC. I'm fortunate enough to have him for a teacher. He's pretty technically astounding. I'm not sure if his site has mp3s.

www.stevefidyk.com

see below

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ July 19, 2002 02:34 AM: Message edited by: PocketPlayer ]</font>

I'm really loving Abe Laboriel Jnr. at the moment as well!

Hey Nikk - Steve Fidyk is great. I've actually shared the stage w/ him on a # of occasions: 7 days in Columbus, OH; a day at the Crisfield, MD Hard Crab Derby; & a couple of days in Timonium, MD, at the MD State Fair. He gave me their latest CD [the week b4 Sept. 11, '01] - "Things Ain't What They Used to Be [Oct. '00]." He [& the whole Army Jazz Band] burns!
Phil - definitely Bonham for groove & creativity.
...Uno.... - Stew for aggressiveness & originality in style of play'g.
Abe Jr. - great.
Neil - 1 of rock's biggest influences. No, he's not in the fusion guys' league, but he admits that. He is quoted as saying that he's a rock drummer who "borrows from those guys & applies it to rock." But the stuff he did in rock at that time on those albums was a lot better than 95% of the sh** that was out there. Check out [along w/ the ones Steve H mentioned]: Farewell to Kings, Hemispheres, Exit Stage Left [& Signals, Grace Under Pressure, Hold Your Fire, & Roll the Bones].
2 more words: JEFF PORCARO [groove monster.]
1 more word: VINNIE. NO ONE LIKE 'IM.
& everyone Beats mentioned!

Okay. If you're looking for guys who are "sick," here's a short list:

1. Dennis Chambers
2. Virgil Donati (unbelievable feet and hands)
3. Steve Smith (check out his first two videos; I don't like his playing as much anymore--he was more aggressive back then)
4. Marco Minneman (sp) (Steve played me the CD from his instructional video and it's really out there; other than that I have no idea who he plays with).

Check them out.

Hey kave333333,
I reread your post, “i've been drummign for about 3 years but haven;t found many drummers that i can look at and be amazed (besides the obvoius vinnie, dave,dennis, buddy, etc.) so if anyone can give me some names of drummers i should check out i'd appreciate it! thanks”
Rhinodentist appropriately asked, “What kind of music do you like to listen to?” and you replied, “rock mostly...but i'm open to anything. Especially jazz.”
If you’ve only been playing three years, almost all the drummers given are A and A+ drummers- in other words, light years away. If you’re playing mostly rock you might find some drummers (local live music is best) that can play with solid time, groove, and feel.
Buy Kenny Arnoff’s first video, Laying It Down. He gives good exercises to establish a foundation that will enable one to handle playing musically rather than throwing in hotlicks without being able to first play time and feel in a variety of styles. I’m partial to Jeff Porcaro, but you have to find your own. Like I said in an earlier post, a good teacher is a valuable source and should be sought out and stuck with for at least a year. As a teacher myself, I weed out older students by asking them to make a commitment to see if they
really are ready to learn which means making sacrifices. Read an honest response from Nikk,
“...the biggest distraction I face (regarding drumming) centers around friends and girls. It's incredibly difficult to stay put and practice on a Saturday night when your friends are trying to get you to go out for a night on the town, so to speak. Many times friends have no understanding of the consistency required to develop one's
musical ability. So, for me, a constant battle I face is having the ability to say no to my friends and even family.”
This is one of the most honest statements I’ve heard. I asked Dave Weckl about his early development and it was as if he simply couldn’t relate, he just said on Friday and Saturday nights that if he had to put in a certain practice time he did. He had an internal goal and vision of where he wanted to be and didn’t let anything get in his way. This could be a good and bad thing. I may have cost him his first marriage???
Best wishes! This is a great forum to stay plugged into.

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ July 19, 2002 02:32 AM: Message edited by: PocketPlayer ]</font>

SIMON PHILLIPS!
Listen to the Livefields album by Toto. Who else can play like that? And for you jazz guys, have you heard his Tony Williams inspired album called Vantage point? Fantastic. What a guy!

Oh, I'm sorry, Terry Bozzio can play like that. Bozzio makes me cry...

Very cool response by Pocket to Kave. This is indeed a good forum.
I remember early on in my learn'g [I'm still learn'g, always will - keepin an open mind] I was very caught up, like a lot of younger guys & beginners, in the 'coolness' of the look of & the 'idea' of being a drummer - often focus'g on speed, the fast licks, etc. But then you learn that drum'g is about TIME & groove - the SPACE/duration BETWEEN notes; LISTEN'G to the other guys u r play'g w/, & play'g the right phrase musically relative to what's going on around you in the style of what you're doing. Kenny A does this in rock/pop; Porcaro was a monster; GADD ferocious. & it is suggested that you listen to as many styles in order to help develop your musical 'ears' overall [jazz, latin, rock, pop, funk, rhythm &blues, soul or motown, middle-eastern, even]. But start w/ the style you like the most & appraoch it this way so as not to overwhelm yourself. Learn'g to read music is a good idea as well. All good things come w/ TIME; practice, thought, patience, dedication, perserverance, & sacrifice [as well as not forgetting common sense & your other responsibilities & obligations in life]. It seems to be a really good musician these days is to practice all the things necessary, so you'll have the technical arsenal to execute these things [but TIME - metronome/click comes 1st!!!], then 'forget about yourself' - focus on making the music sound good & letting the other musicians you are playing w/ relax & play to the best of their abilities - being a TEAM PLAYER, NOT 'it's all about me,' letting the band you're play'g w/ "shine."
Anyway, having said that mouthful [sorry about these 'novels!'] - best of 'luck' in your endeavors.

a player nobody has metioned yet is david garbaldie playing along with him will start to give you some serious funk chops i recomend the listing to tower of power back to okland and what is hip, also benard purdie for shuffles on steely dans bablyon sister killer grooves ,jeff pocraro lido shuffle these guys are the best at these shuffle grooves.

Thanks to everyone for the drummers! i'm tryign to work my way down the list and try to get clips of them. i'm tryign to dig up some POLICE cds along with Helmet. I am listening to steve smith, steve Gadd, and Jack Dejohnette right now. ANd lookign for jeff porcaro! Thanks again to every1!

peace

Yo, Groovinhard - right you are, we forgot the incredible Garibaldimeister. Ooooooo. All of his stuff, but esp. the track "[the] Oakland Stroke," cinched his place in the annals of drumming for me. This groove was not an easy one to master at the time [once I read his chart for it in Mod. Drum'r years ago], I assure you.

ya the okland stroke was not an easy one for me at first, lots of rewind and starting , but once i got lt was pretty cool, one to keep in the ol bag of tricks!!!!! pretty funkie

Groovin - Just like the Whassup commercial used to say, "true, true."
I was lucky enough to see DG in clinic; & w/ Jeff Andrews, Dave Valentine, Mike Stern, & Lonnie Smith a few yrs. ago. Dave's such a gruv-beast. It kinda seemed to me that Weckl was a natural extension of DG & Gadd [among others.] A few guys don't understand that DG has some serious chops, but what makes him so great is his musical approach to drumming, & his groovin' pocket.

Whoa, Kave - you floored me when you said you were listening to DeJohnette - he is a HEAVY, HEAVY 'old school fuses with new' jazz drummer [& just as fine a pianist]- one of the best.

Cool - another Rick Gratton fan - man, this guy's up there [a mean player], & he;s not that 'well known' in the mainstream....

...for Gratton, check out the videos "Rick's Licks, the Video" [very imformative instructionally-wise], & "Paul DeLong [formerly w/ Canada's Kim Mitchell band] & Rick Gratton Live at P.I.T." [rec'd 1-18-91 - this one's got some smokin playin by the Rickmeister!]
& speaking of Kim Mitchell, there's ANOTHER killer player...drummer Randy Cooke, from Canada, who played w/ Kim [live & studio] - he's a great player, sort of 'Gadd-meets-Bonham-meets Peart, w/ some Weckl' thrown in the pot, if you can believe that....

Funny thing - I just checked out Rick G's site; in the 'bio' section, lower page, there's quotes fr. a bunch of great drummers [like Kim Plainfield - Bill Connors after Weckl, etc.], - & Randy Cooke....

CHECK OUT DAVE DICENSO! HE IS THE MAN!

www.davedicenso.com

Yeah, DiCenso's a hot player

You should check Rick Grattons website www.rickgratton.com... great lessons/video clips.
There is also some audio and text samples of Marco Minnemanns book... sick stuff!