Mans inability to say no

How come it is when it comes to sex men find it a hard time say no. This puts us in a state of always wanting it because somehow women are better or have excuses and can decline sex. Where as a guy usually will never turn down sex. And then women sit and wonder how all we can think about is sex. And how come we seem to have to WANT it all the time. I think if men said NO THANKS more often it would reverse the power struggle of men wanting the sex.

Also along the same topic I wonder why it seems that a man can become sexual (NOT ROMANTIC) at a given moments notice almost anywhere. Yet but % women are only usually romantic sexually when they seem to be in private place... ie Home, Hotel. Where as a guy would or could pick in the car, at the lake, on the beach, work place, elevator (hopefully no heads fall off), high in the stands at a baseball game... on an on. Yet when was the last time you said saw a lady wanting to get frisky in some new wild place? It isnt like they run around thinking out loud... wow there is no one between the 7th and 9th green we should have a quicky right here on the 8th and hope we dont get caught [img]redface.gif[/img]

well... it's just a sad fact that men get aroused easily. But for your sake, i'll say no for a while, so the rest of you can get laid more often [img]wink.gif[/img]

i think social values play a big part of it, as
already mentioned... but, again, i must suggest
natural tendencies in this area (why do we always
forget we are animal?).

schopenhauer would suggest that its the antagonistic
WILL that desires to be fed (through itself)...
and that the primary 'hard-wiring' of any male
is to produce and spread seed in as many females
as possible...
whereas the females are only intent on becoming
pregnant.

while it is naturally not the male's association
to be concerned with the latter... it is social
values imposed upon the males that create a
dam of sorts from the natural inclination to
spread seed.... therefore the WILL is thwarted...
though still present.

although females do desire pregnancy (through
the WILL)... females out number males on a
natural scale of (at least) 4 to 1... (sometimes
greater). this is all mathematically precise...
in terms of the stages of pregnancy, weening, etc.

it all revolves around some intricate ridiculous
scheme... that....

while one is at the beginning stages of pregnancy,
another is ending pregnancy, a third is nurturing,
and the fourth is weening (soon to be ready to
reproduce again).


but then again... it all depends on what you wanna believe [img]tongue.gif[/img]

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Originally posted by shatzy:
i think social values play a big part of it, as
already mentioned... but, again, i must suggest
natural tendencies in this area (why do we always
forget we are animal?).

schopenhauer would suggest that its the antagonistic
WILL that desires to be fed (through itself)...
and that the primary 'hard-wiring' of any male
is to produce and spread seed in as many females
as possible...
whereas the females are only intent on becoming
pregnant.

while it is naturally not the male's association
to be concerned with the latter... it is social
values imposed upon the males that create a
dam of sorts from the natural inclination to
spread seed.... therefore the WILL is thwarted...
though still present.

although females do desire pregnancy (through
the WILL)... females out number males on a
natural scale of (at least) 4 to 1... (sometimes
greater). this is all mathematically precise...
in terms of the stages of pregnancy, weening, etc.

it all revolves around some intricate ridiculous
scheme... that....

while one is at the beginning stages of pregnancy,
another is ending pregnancy, a third is nurturing,
and the fourth is weening (soon to be ready to
reproduce again).


but then again... it all depends on what you wanna believe [img]tongue.gif[/img]

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<font size="4" face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Let's play Jeopardy...

GT rings in..."What post can you make to turn a somewhat interesting thread into the most boring and ridiculous ever posted? Alex"

Alex responds..."You are correct GT!!!"


now to my point....that was the stupidest respond i've ever read

to you, that is a given....
but then again... i gave a short version [img]graemlins/sure.gif[/img]

and i'm almost curious as to why you find it such
a ridiculous justification.... there are other
modes of justification that are VERY similar.........

...........

The genetic makeup of men and women is pretty much the same, and of about 100k genes that make us human (as opposed to some species like Forum405/Alex), only one chromosome is responsible for all the biological differences between men and women. The gene is called the testes determining factor, or TDF, an is located on the Y chromosome.

The Y chromosome is the only one of the 46 chromosomes found only in men, not in women, and its obvious place to look for differences between the two sexes. Anytime a Y chromosome is present, even in oddities, a male will develop and by contrast, the absence of Y caused a female to develop.

Further, just the other day while at my midnight gas station clerk job, a voluptuously vivacious woman entered the store about 2am. As she passed the counter I "Recognized" her and immediately (within three seconds as all speed seducers would) said, "Hey".

She stopped and came over to the counter. I was lower than her because I had been sitting my ass on two milk crates, you know, chilling and shit. God damn her rack was the most huge tanned area I've ever seen on a girl. In this cindy lauper voice she asked, "What?".

Me: What's your name
VVW: Annie, and you're aaron, nice to meetcha (she looked at my name badge)
Me: What did you do today, annie?
VVW: I hung out with my ole' man at our pool. That's why my hair looks a mess. (meaning, I'm older than you, in a generation where women called their bf "old man")
Me: Let me see your hand (no ring). I think you're beautiful with your hair wet.
VVW: Don't try and "mack" me
Me: Is your boyfriend black?
VVW: Why? You think your c@*k is larger than his?
Me: Yep.
VVW: How big?
Me: Wanna see it?
VVW: Yep.

I took her to the gas station office, purchased a box of trojan-enz, and put a sign on the door: "Store closed for approx. 1 hour. Registers down". I actually spent about another ten minutes with annie. And I havent seen her again since then. But she promised she'd come back to hook up with me again.

So then, the perception that women have lower sex drives, are less likely to bang tail, is all socially constructed nonsense. Biologically, women are as driven to reproduce (via sex) as men are. But socially, you have to be a pimp like me to spot the easy ones and let them jump your bones.

If you aren't getting banged in the bleachers, then you're hooking up with the wrong chicks, or, perhaps, you should practice some transiitional phrases that let the right chicks know it's okay to take a crack at you.

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now to my point....that was the stupidest respond i've ever read

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<font color="#ffffff"><font size="1">[ August 20, 2003 03:43 PM: Message edited by: Omar de Fati ]</font></font>

<font color="#ffffff" size="1">[ August 20, 2003 03:46 PM: Message edited by: Omar de Fati ]</font>

LMMFAO!!! what a great post..... [img]cool.gif[/img]

the reason i make that comment is because i didn't feel that this thread was particularly asking for an in depth study of the differene between male and female animals as stated from the viewpoint of 3 different psychologists.

well i don't particularly care what you expected.
he asked a general Q and thats how i answered it.

sheeesh! [img]confused.gif[/img]

http://forum.fok.nl/i/s/worshippy.gifTeach me omar!http://forum.fok.nl/i/s/worshippy.gif

First of all, you have to give up all hope of ever getting laid again. Then, you have to conclude that its because you're the ugliest son of a gun on the planet. Further, that even the ugliest daughter of a gun on the planet wouldn't give you the time of day.

Once your certain that you're not worth anyone's time, any time spent on you by a super hot babe gets you all excited and catapults you into horn dogishness.

Smile all the time. It helps if you have an unattractive characteristic. Like me, for example, I have huge spaces between my incisors. It gets a girl's attention faster than the best cologne.

Always speak on something about the girl within moments of catching her attention. She has to notice you too, and you of her at the same time. Smile first, then speak on something, even if it's just "what's your name?", or "what did you do today?" (works even if she doesn't know you from adam)

Avoid approaching (physically) her. Allow her to approach you (or entirce her to, invite her). That is 'The First Submission'. You'll learn the difference between 'The First Submissions', and "Under Laying for Over Playing" which I call "Fucking Dick Teasing Me You God Damned Crack Whore Piece of Shit".

Dont have any goal in mind. Remember, you're too ugly for her (since you're too ugly for the most not-hot babe, that would include her too). The "Right Chick" will always misinterpret your unguided amibiguity as indifference, and they always percieve indifference as confidence. Women don't generally like pity dates. Also, if you are trully indifferent already, then non of this is necessary because you wouldn't care if you got hummed down or not. So don't shoot for indifference, shoot for ambiguity.

Use "Fake-Out Phrases". These are phrase that you practice in private to use whenever you run out of something to say. Some of my favorites are (not limited to):

1-What are you talking about *Blank*. Where blank is whatever she just said. If she says, "I live with my boy friend," I respond, "What do you mean you live with your boyfriend?". Then, no matter what she says, I respond with "So how is that working out for you?" or "Is that working out okay for you?" If she's the Right Chick, she'll take the opportunity to boy friend bash.

Remember, fake-out phrases are to get her talking. the content of the conversation doesn't matter, hence "Fake-Out". If she's not interested in you (using whatever the hell critieria women use) she won't talk. If she's interested in you, she still might not talk to you. But if she does talk to you behind Fake-Outs (meaning after you've used them), she's definately interested in some degree

2-Everything's super cool!- You can throw this baby in anywhere, anytime. But, it might need support from a follow up, or serve as a follow up. Personalize it. The more a woman hears your voice (and with fake-outs, you're not really saying anything), the more comfortable she becomes with you.

3-I don't think this conversation is working out? (sarcastically spoken, let her know you're kidding and it invites her to kid with you, or bail)

4-Do you think this converstation is working out? (another check point)

5-What do you think about me? (variations are:Is your boyfriend cuter than me? Do you like my vibe? etc)

6-Are you in a good mood? (ask anytime, anywhere, to any girl, no matter how long you've known her. That includes being the first thing you say to her...of course within the three seconds after you've noticed each other. Even through it in as an interuption of her speaking.)

Again, fake-out are just filler. We do them all day anyway. "How are you today?", "Fine, and you?" Nobody really cares how you are doing, nor do they want to hear how you are doing. But ask someone "Are you in a good mood?" And they will think you really care.

Always touch any part of her body that nears you. Normally, it might be the hands as she's speaking. Prep her by asking if her nails are real (how this is asked depends on the girl. in my experience white women don't mind being asked str8 forward if they are real nails, but don't respond well to "are those your nails". Black women, or urban cultured women respond better to "where do get your nails done".)

Don't ask to touch after the nail gambit (or whatever touch-prep you use). Gently grab the hand, then the wrist just below the hand (with your other hand) and evaluate her. Does she keep talking, or make an issue out of her nails. Have you non-verbally directed her topic, or did she barely notice you touching her? Both are totally good responses, but you need to know if she is a directable chick, or one that's totally open to being touched in that way. Believe it or not, the ones that are totally open to being touched, are more likely to thwart your efforts at getting in her panties.

with the hand gambit, (one form of touching) you can easily manipulate your hands (yours and hers) into a boyfriend/girlfriend type of hand holding. That's why the wrist hold is important. It allows your other hand, the one touching her hand, to work into position and blocks her mentality. Or, it disqualifies her as the "Right Chick". You can rub then, hold them up to compare finger length or whatever. Of course at some point you'll have to trust her, and let her wrist go (unless your sitting, where rubbing her arm might be possible).

So now, you're holding hands with her like you're her boyfriend and you just met her like what...five minutes ago?

There are several other touchings that can be done in case the hand gambit doesn't work. No time to tell them now. I'm sure your questions will bring some out anyway.

A great follow up to touching (hand gambit or other wise) is to ask if she believes in reading other people's thoughts and feelings (never say "reading minds") through touching them.

If you've gotten to touch a girl the first time you've met her, then it's time to tell her how hot she is. Use obscure combinations like; Super babe, super hot, look outta sight, smoking hot. She'll think you're corny as hell.

If you've gotten this far, you probably think I'm full of crap. And I am. Any questions?

Ya know coming from just a point where I was thinking ... wow ya know sex is always on my mind at the drop of a hat yet women bitch cause are never romantic yet all we want to do is be with them. Be touched by them. Smell their perfume.... etc. Yet I get Shatzy response and though I understand all of that (or I try to) that just made me want to run and hide for it makes it all to clinical. ICK And then Omar here writes a book on how to get into a womans panties. DAMN man you really should write a book, I think you got something going there. Well, at least it is better then the Man is from Mars crap. [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Anyhow... what my main guess is here is I dont need to know how to get into their panties, and I dont need to know why they wont let me into their panties. Though both were helpful and fun to read.... for once GT was more so on track with what I was looking for by saying I just want to know am I looking at it in a twisted view or do women really look at us and SAY I WANT HIM NOW!! and wish we would act on it though when we look at them we think "HMMM SHE LOOKS LIKE SHE IS CONCENTRATING... Must be Deciding what color to paint her nails. And we move on or Do they really act on it and we are just seeing suttle moves and brush them off like high school crushes. You know where a girl giggles and we are embarssed and do the eye roll thing and run out of the room.

I just wanna know why a women never just reaches out and ZIP ... here let me have that. [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img] GIGGLE

You know a guy would and does often. Even if we get shot down we still try. Yet it appears women just sort of are ambivilant to the whole thing. Yet they say they are "senual and sexual " by nature. BAAAAAAH!

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I just wanna know why a women never just reaches out and ZIP ... here let me have that. GIGGLE

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<font size="4" face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">They do. Those are what I called the "Right Chick". Perhaps, you can make yourself more approachable in that context. Women, nor men simply grab anyone's zipper like that, it's rape or near it. But they do spontaneuously offer sex to men.

It takes a lot of courage for guys to try and close a girl. Remember when we were teens? The anxiety, the intense pondering on how to get laid the first time. For women too, it takes courage. So the easier you make your zipper, the more likely some chick will undo it.

I contend that women are as sexually aggressive as men, from a social context. The only reason I say so, is the exact reason you say nay; because of our experiences. I happen to be sexually passive when I pick up girls (meaning, I let them lead and/or appraoch me). It's my coping mechanism to being shy. So the girls I meet MUST be aggressive, or I wouldn't meet them.

Anyway, thanks for struggling through my hogwash.

personally, i find this thread amusing on a few
different accounts.

however, i'm going to mention just one at the moment.

the issue isn't about whom answered your post
the way you wanted them to -- simply because
that wasn't asked nor implied (it is a BBS,
and everyone voices an opinion).

you merely posed something you were wondering....
and people replied to it.

but, to make it come full-circle....

it was implied that one respond in both
a genuine, honest opinion and still
meet the criteria of opposing perspective.

in short --

you made a rhetorical post.

everyone beyond that point responds as if the
post wasn't rhetorical.

then its declared that the post wasn't rhetorical
but that you were actually looking for
something from your initial post

at which point, all non-rhetorical posts (to a
rhetorical post) are suddenly of value (when
at first they weren't).... and skewed by a biased
perception.

....http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/...oticons/33.gif ...fascinating


**ps.... this post is RHETORICAL... so please,
if you respond to it, make sure you aren't being
a hypocrite (if you can... muuuuuuahahahhaaha)

Hmmm good point... the "So the girls I meet MUST be aggressive, or I wouldn't meet them."

So gettiong back to the original part. If we said NO more often would it hurt or help our cause in getting Tang?

And I never have to wade thru hogwash... I love reading your posts.

Then where is his purple fuzzy hat?

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH just neat... How the hell did this get here when it was suppose to be under the IMP post? HMMMMMMMM !!!!!!!!!! GRRRRRRRRRR

<font color="#ffffff" size="1">[ August 20, 2003 09:46 PM: Message edited by: Cyalaytr ]</font>

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So gettiong back to the original part. If we said NO more often would it hurt or help our cause in getting Tang?

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<font size="4" face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">neither. it should only reveal what was previously noted

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Originally posted by Cyalaytr:
And I never have to wade thru hogwash... I love reading your posts.

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<font size="4" face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">i see.......

So how do we explain the rise of Bisexuality among women these days?

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Originally posted by Cyalaytr:
Hmmm good point... the "So the girls I meet MUST be aggressive, or I wouldn't meet them."

So gettiong back to the original part. If we said NO more often would it hurt or help our cause in getting Tang?

And I never have to wade thru hogwash... I love reading your posts.

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<font size="4" face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">You're missing the point (no offense). It only matters to WHOM you say no, not IF you say no.

So yes, if you say no more often (you're saying no at all now???), it hurts your cause.

If you say NO, however, you're working against your ultimate goal (closing the deal). Yes, women say no, and men keep trying. But when women say no, men 'ought' to stop. Same with men who say no: women 'ought' to stop.

So don't say no. Even to the fat chick.

<font color="#ffffff" size="1">[ August 20, 2003 10:03 PM: Message edited by: Omar de Fati ]</font>

Ok so if saying No hurts the cause... and saying Yes at the drop of the hat hasnt done anything for us but make us look like honey panting puppy dogs. And given men a bad name.. what WILL helps us?

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Originally posted by Cyalaytr:
Ok so if saying No hurts the cause... and saying Yes at the drop of the hat hasnt done anything for us but make us look like honey panting puppy dogs. And given men a bad name.. what WILL helps us?

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<font size="4" face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Changing WHOM asks the question.

Time.. Alcohol.. fun!

I said no just now.. was dancing with some nice girls, but i made it clear from the start that i had no intent in whatever and i was just enjoying myself on the dancing floor. I like to dance, and i don't want to get my evening ruined by trying to chase after girls with probably no avail if i can have a great time dancing.

OK Zela said NO to a chick... anyone get laid because of it???

OK back to plan B


DAMMIT!

I didn't say no as much as i just took no attempt whatsoever to get to women.
Just let me enjoy myself on that dancing floor, and i'll have a peachy night.

i guess most women think its "Whorish" if they just did it everywhere,or wanted to do it a lot, i dont have a problem with doing it in new exciting places, i dont think a lot do, that gives it more of a rush, rather than just being at home

wow i could NOT keep up with all this, im glad i have a boyfriend and dont need to worry bout this sort of stuff

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Originally posted by imaslave4junior:
wow i could NOT keep up with all this, im glad i have a boyfriend and dont need to worry bout this sort of stuff

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<font size="4" face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Ok so do tell does he have to ask for it or do you go seeking him when you want some?

he has to ask me bc there are times when i dont want it, but if i want it i will go to him

And do you come right out and ask for it or get it.. or do you do the hint hint thing and hope he catches on

Is your boyfriend black?

nope he is white...and i hint first

and if you hint and he doesnt get it? do you move on or just come right out and spell it out

lol that depends on how bad i want it

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Originally posted by imaslave4junior:
lol that depends on how bad i want it

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<font size="4" face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Maybe there in in lies the problem.. from my perspective men want it REALY bad and women just sort of want it.. kind of like well do I want chocolate or do I want vanilla HMMMMMMM

yeah like do i want sex or go get some food...hmmmm

wow i feel like such a virgin

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Originally posted by imaslave4junior:
yeah like do i want sex or go get some food...hmmmm

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<font size="4" face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">GO FOR THE FOOD.... GO FOR THE FOOD

i usually do...especially taco bell

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Originally posted by imaslave4junior:
i usually do...especially taco bell

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<font size="4" face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Well that will fix everything.. you will be farting everywhere and he wont want any sex [img]graemlins/gulp.gif[/img]