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Okay, the college isn't stupid, but people go to college to get smart...
so why the fuck did it go down like this?
Prelim-
There's two black guys no one knows on our floor, they're peaking into Jimmy and I's room while we're at our computers... so we don't see it, but someone else sees them peakin into our room.
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so-
they split, and ran off...
then-
Our RA sees this black kid on our floor no one knows.. *they were two black guys*.. so she questions him about it *cuz i think he was one of them* so we (Jimmy and I) go down there...
he's gettin loud with her saying things like "did you fuckin see me? no? then don't say shit to me.. fuck off"
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This pissed Hanny off greatly...
1.because he's talkin that way to a girl
2.this isn't his floor so our RA has reason to ask questions...
3.because he was peakin in MY room.
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so i say
"hey"
and he says "don't you fuckin "hey" me.."
and i shut up momentarily, then he says something more to my RA.
so then I say
"listen, she's fuckin askin you who you are, cuz no one fuckin knows you on this floor"
and he says "fuck you"
and i say "yea, you gonna fuck me?"
he says "yea"
so i reply with "fuck you, i'll fuckin kill you"
he says "yea? gimme 30 seconds you wait right there.. i'll be right back with my friends" or some shit like that....
so I gave him the obligatory "fuck you"
and my RA made my roomy and another guy take me away from him back to my room...
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I was pissed, still am... but now i have to watch my back for him and his fuckin friends...
i'm so fuckin pissed.
stupid fucking thug wanna be peices of shit.
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You should have just reached out and clocked him up side his fuckin head.....
In the least you should report it to the Campus Police. That way when they find a dead body.. you have it on report that he threatened you first and when he came back you feared the worst so it was self defense.
:-)
CYA
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You Hells Angels bikers are all the same!
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LMAO
Yea those "road ridin" folks are scarY!
hahaha
j'k
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I'm still pissed off... I dunnno WTF me or my roommate did to anyone that lives on a different floor, but apparently someone doesn't like us.... and I HATE having to watch my back.. but if I'm gonna brawl, someones gonna die.
and not to sound bad... but why is it that people can't fight one on one? especially thug/gangsta types... they can NEVER fucking fight one on one.... they're pussy's that way.\
I hate that
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nothin personal, hanny...
but you had no business stepping in.
its the RA's job, not yours...
regardless of what room the other people
were looking in.
its also false to accuse that person of
being one of the two suspects merely because
he was 'easily identifiable' as well as
unknown on that floor.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Originally posted by TastinGood:
You Hells Angels bikers are all the same!</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>
LOL Well, you know us.. shoot first ask questions later. :-)
CYA
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After talking with Mark... the kid she was accusing, was indeed, one of the two, he saw both of them...
one of them was at the end of the hall playing "look out" while the other guy was peaking around the corner into our room.
I had buisness stepping in because this dumb mother fucker wouldn't just answer the question..
she simply asked "who are you, and what are you doing on my floor?"
and this dumb mother fucker got loud and obnoxious, etc...
so fuck him.... i'll whip his ass, and his fuckin little friends ass.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Originally posted by shatzy:
nothin personal, hanny...
but you had no business stepping in.
its the RA's job, not yours...
regardless of what room the other people
were looking in.
its also false to accuse that person of
being one of the two suspects merely because
he was 'easily identifiable' as well as
unknown on that floor.</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ya we see she did her job well.... (noting she did stop him and ask questions but heard no meantion of a report or follow up with campus police)
As for falsy accusing ... she didn't. She had a description "a black male who didnt belong on that floor"
So unless your floor your has many frequent black males that aren't listed as staying there she hasnt wrongly accused anyone. Now if she actually tried to Say it was him just based on those facts... wouldn't hold up in any court. But just to stop him and ask questions as to why he was there because he fit a profile of the accused is not wrong nor against the law.
CYA
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exactly what was he 'accused' of doing???
being on the wrong floor???
you can't be serious.
your dorm isn't a WWII ghetto...
its a college dorm.
i don't see why the RA needed to file a report
or anything like that. they did nothing wrong.
now if you are accusing them based on
hypothetical 'intent'...
then we've just opened up a new can of worms.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Originally posted by shatzy:
exactly what was he 'accused' of doing???
being on the wrong floor???
you can't be serious.
your dorm isn't a WWII ghetto...
its a college dorm.
i don't see why the RA needed to file a report
or anything like that. they did nothing wrong.
now if you are accusing them based on
hypothetical 'intent'...
then we've just opened up a new can of worms.</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well since he doesn't live there or at least never answered the RA when she asked him... he could be charged with Trespassing since this isn't a public place to just loiter.
There is no hypothetical intent. No one has to prove he was there to cause criminal mischief or anything. Just the fact he was there, not wanted and would not leave quietly was enough. As for following up with a report. They had witnesses to his suspicious activity, when questioned he was elucive and evading. Enough I would want it in a report. What if you saw him, didn't get an ID and he just happened be someone who raped or robbed a resident there?
Hmm wouldn't it be better to be proactive then re active? You see someone swerving a car in a slow mannor, do you pull em over and see if they have been drinking or just let them wreck and then test blood alcohol level?
CYA
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Originally posted by Cyalaytr:
What if you saw him, didn't get an ID and he just happened be someone who raped or robbed a resident there?
You see someone swerving a car in a slow mannor, do you pull em over and see if they have been drinking or just let them wreck and then test blood alcohol level?</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>
there's that hypothetical intent i mentioned.
******
perhaps the guy knew that an RA is no different
than any other student in terms of 'actual'
penalty-giving.
lots of people fuck with RA's because they are
mostly arrogant, bloated dicks.
at my school, dorms are not 'private' in the
sense that anyone who is a non-resident cannot
come in, and judging by the day/time this
occured, there is no reason for anyone to be
'suspicious'.
its one thing to keep an eye out for 'potential'...
another thing entirely to assume suspicion.
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there's that hypothetical intent i mentioned.
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another thing entirely to assume suspicion.[/QB][/QUOTE]
Being as each student pays rent or fee to stay there it is concidered a lease and a private residance. Hence why the police would have to have a search warrent to enter anyone's room individually. Hence ... if they can't enter a room without warrent... What give the ok for Mr bad ass black guy too? Was he lost? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMm NO.
CYA
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based on what hanny said, the two guys did
not enter their private rooms.
secondly, the police do not need a warrant to
roam the dorm halls... neither do the two guys.
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upon checking hanny's rule book for the residence
halls of WIU (click HERE if you are interested),
here is an excerpt:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Hall Security Guidelines
As a student attending Western Illinois University, you are extended the privilege of self-regulated hours to enter and leave your residence hall. Procedures for entering or leaving the residence halls are clearly outlined for each hall. You are advised to check the procedures for your living unit. Residence hall security ultimately depends on the responsible actions of each resident. Security begins with you. Your room door should be locked at all times. Do not prop open stairwell or outside doors.
For security purposes, all residence halls are locked by 11 p.m. weekday evenings and by 1 a.m. on Fridays and Saturdays. If you are returning to your assigned residence hall after closing hours, you should go to the designated door to gain entry with your exterior access key.
Your guests will also have self-regulated hours. You will be responsible for your guests (i.e., informing them of hall and University policies and regulations). Your guests will be admitted to the residence hall after closing only if accompanied by you or a resident of that particular living unit. Failure to comply with these regulations could result in charges of trespass being filed with the Office of Public Safety (OPS).</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>
it seems to me, based on the above, that if
the individual 'peeped in'... it could easily
been on accident -- looking for another room.
what hanny posted *about them peeping and spitting*
is really heresay since hanny admits that he
nor jimmy witnessed any of it.
regardless, the handbook clearly suggests that
the individual rooms should be locked
at all times as a regular *duh* security....
if the individuals 'peeped in'... then it could
be said that it was hanny's/jimmy's problem...
since they opted to keep the door unlocked
(this is also true had the door been open).
as i mentioned before, the persons wandering
the hall were free to do so... if you were to
base it on what the handbook says:
#1 -- it was visiting hours. the residence hall
was not locked to the public.
#2 -- though there is clearly defined rules for
members of the opposite sex visiting the halls,
there are no clearly defined rules for persons
from other floors in the hall... much less
persons from other residence halls on campus.
secondly, it is wrong to infer that the person
held by the RA was indeed the two other persons.
if no one can ID the kid... then he shouldn't
be treated in the manner that hanny treated
him in... regardless of his answers to the RA.
i realize that i am on the 'other' side of the
argument and my views are prolly held in discretion
simply because i do not get all riled up and
pissed. but in the same light, i can only make
judgment based on the story hanny told...
i will not make inference simply because i
should be oblidged to.
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From Illinois Criminal Code
9.44.030 Trespass to Residence.
It is unlawful to commit trespass to a residence. A person commits trespass to a residence when, without authority, that person knowingly enters or remains within a residence, including a house trailer. For purposes of this section, in the case of a multi-unit residential building or complex, "residence" shall only include the portion of the building or complex which is the actual dwelling place of any person and shall not include such places as common recreational areas or lobbies. (Ord. 1996-M-64 ? 1.)
9.20.010 Disorderly conduct - Designated - Prohibited.
It is unlawful for a person to commit disorderly conduct. A person commits disorderly conduct when he knowingly:
A. Does any act in such unreasonable manner as to alarm or disturb another and to provoke a breach of the peace; or
B. With intent to annoy another, makes a telephone call, whether or not conversation thereby ensues; or
C. Enters upon the property of another for a lewd or unlawful purpose; deliberately looks into a dwelling on the property through any window or other opening.
(Ord. 1969-M-3 ? 1: prior code ? 28.002.)
CYA
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the only problem is, how are " to alarm" or "to annoy" defined? if someone has a squeaky shoe, is that illegal?
And for the last clause, that's only applicable if it can be proven that there was criminal intent.
Legally spoken, you went to far, especially with the threat, which IS punishable quite a bit.
But i can understand why you did it, i'd probably do it too.
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ok... i'm not really sure why you posted the
IL state laws... because technically, a college
and university is considered private property
and had the individual been a WIU student,
there would be nothing the IL state police could
do since it would be in the hands of the
college/university.
secondly, because of this fact, many colleges
and universities employ campus police....which
are used if a certain college/university rule
has been violated...
which, based on what i have said, has yet to be determined [img]tongue.gif[/img]
i still say.... make no inference
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Originally posted by shatzy:
ok... i'm not really sure why you posted the
IL state laws... because technically, a college
and university is considered private property
and had the individual been a WIU student,
there would be nothing the IL state police could
do since it would be in the hands of the
college/university......
i still say.... make no inference</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>
All of which their laws (college criminal codes) would fall UNDER the same ones as the city and or county in which the college resided in. So Yes they do have their own police and do their own policing for the most part.... but all of which is goverend by city and county law. It isnt like they are some foreign country in there own PRIVATE property.
and as for " make no inference" .... I had to look it up. Here it is for those besides myself who didnt know the meaning.
in?fer?ence ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nfr-ns)
n.
The act or process of deriving logical conclusions from premises known or assumed to be true.
The act of reasoning from factual knowledge or evidence.
Something inferred.
Usage Problem. A hint or suggestion: The editorial contained an inference of foul play in the awarding of the contract. See Usage Note at infer.
Now I know.
CYA
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i'm proud of you on two counts, cya....
#1 -- you looked up a word you weren't sure of
believe it or not, i find that a good quality in a person
(and no, i'm not being sarcastic)
#2 -- not only admitting you looked up a word,
but publicly posting it
so anyways... back to what i was saying.
yes, the college/university gets support from
local, state, and government laws....
however, when i said that it was private property,
that didn't mean that its a separate situation
away from those laws... but merely that local
police (under the state) will not interfere.
i know this because a few years ago...
i was robbed. not only was i robbed, but several
other people in my building were robbed on the
same night (which, incidentially, was the eve
of mother's day).
anyways...
because i lived in a complex that was funded
by area grants and privately-owned corporations,
the state considers the building (in as far as
the 'title' and its program) a privately owned
institution.
therefore, when i called 911... i was told that
the local state police could not enter the
property because it was considered 'private
property of an institution'.
this is why i make my claim.
granted, arkansas laws may be completely different
than illinois laws, i really wouldn't know.
but i assume that since the 'technicality' of
my building -- and being privately owned by
the state -- and because i was told what i was
told, even after multiple robberies happened,
i assume the same is true for public colleges/universities.
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Well thank you Shatzy...
And as to why I posted the Illinois city criminal laws were because even though the two (city police and College police) act as two different entities... they still abide by the same set of laws or there within. Each does their own to enforce those laws just as a Sherif and a City Police man have differant areas... something against the law in the city is more then likely against the law under the same criminal code for the county just handled by a differant person. The only time a city offical (policeman) would interfear or handle the case would be if the two departments could work better as a pair on the same item. Just as a police chase starts in one city and continues into another. By all right the laws broken that started the chase were in county #1 yet when entering county #2 either the State will take over due to the area covered or maybe they will just assist.
Either way in short... I posted city criminal code as I couldnt find a listing for the Collage campus criminal code though if you check with them they prolly have the exact same books as the city or there within.
:-)
CYA
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They are just racists!
Thats the only reason the guys were questioned.
I wonder where Hanny is now. Probably out burning crosses in someones front yard.
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It goes like this...
she just wanted to ask a few questions...
my RA is not a bloated dick, she's VERY VERY Cool...
it doesn't matter...
the bottom line is this...
you fuck with a friend of mine, on MY floor, after lookin in MY room while having someone "lookout" for you... fuckin right... you're gonna get confronted by me in a big way...
the fact that that half ass had to "talk shit" is just showing he was scared.
Fuck him.
If he fucks with me.. i will kill him!
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yeah.... ok.... whatever....
i've had my say on inference....
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so THAT'S the reason you dont like Gravytrain, isnt it hanny? BECAUSE HE'S BLACK!
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I think Chris had every right...
he shoulda just kicked his ass right there!
<font color="#ac0000" size="1">[ April 20, 2003 10:58 AM: Message edited by: MooGoo13 ]</font>
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That would have been the fun thing to do...
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And in other News today..... see
New related to story
CYA
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what a stupid female.
#1... walking alone
#2... 1.30am
dumbass
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heck, we just forfeit a lot of sleep alltogether.
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Us people looking for good grades, we pull those kinda graveyard shifts!
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i bet i'm not the only one [img]wink.gif[/img]
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heh heh.... i know YOU do [img]tongue.gif[/img]
