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I have a question on You guys. Why do You think Dom Famularo changed his nice traditional grip to matched grip? He played great with traditional and his open handed playing now is just average...
Look at this:
http://members.chello.sk/jaroslavrepta/famularo.mpg
It's from VicFirth promo videotape.. Do someone know, what clinic is this video from? or do someone has some Famularo's video? I would like to see some more..
oh my goodness... this guy needs to go back to traditional! he was so much better. i never knew he played like that. his open handed match playing sounds like crap compared to this. GO BACK!
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ August 24, 2004 04:12 PM: Message edited by: shedder ]</font>
The guy had courage enough to change
to matched and open-handed playing
after YEARS AND YEARS.
Give him some time as it takes time
to achieve any goal one has. He's
changed his outlook. There's nothing
wrong with that plus that fact that
it takes balls to try it.
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<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ August 24, 2004 03:40 PM: Message edited by: peter c ]</font>
I was at a clinic with Dom last year... he himself says that it's a work in progress but that he sees the improvement gradually. It takes a lot of courage for someone to follow their beliefs like that! I think he decided to change quite abruptly and simply stopped using traditional. I'm sure that what he is going for will be great....
BV
Again, tradG & MG can both be brought to amazing levels by a dedicated player. EITHER grip.
So naturally, if a guy who's learned one from Day 1 switches many yrs later, it's going to take a lot of time to acclamate.
It would seem, by looking at it both logically & physiologically, that MG-OH [open handed] would be the definitive mechanics for the new age.
But that doesn't mean that a cat can't be JUST as great playing TG-CH [crossover-handed].
To me, it's a moot discussion. Any grip can be made to deal carnage upon the instrument... [img]wink.gif[/img]
I have no interest WHATSOEVER in changing my [now] MG-CH technique, because at this stage in the game, it would be a complete waste of time, when I could mastering new concepts & approaches with an already consummated technique. I'll learn them much quicker, & to the same effect as someone who's changed, only faster.
Besides, basically, I've now long been questionable of things that are labeled or deemed "traditional"...if one looks at it from the concept of all things have come from some sort of "building-blocks" or foundation over the years as being "traditional," then fine. But things that have always been "called 'traditional'" does not necessarily make them "the best" possible solution. I'm always naturally questionable of "tradition" anyway, basically...just because our "ancestors have always been doing it THIS certain way for all these years," doesn't make it emphatically & ultimately so [unless it's indeed morally or ethically time tested & true.] But now I'm talking about "trad" as a concept, as a whole.
A freind of mine used to call ideas like this "fallacies"...traditon can be sometimes distorted in the same way as the flawed theory of "mob rules"...just because more people say it IS than not, doesn't always make it rightly so. And similarly, just because a lot of folks have said it coonsistently for a number of chronological years...sort of like, "would you follow a role model over a cliff if he went?" [only not NEARLY as extreme [img]wink.gif[/img] ]. OK, Layman's Psych 101 class is officially over, now. :cp
These things should always be allowed to be held up to the great time-test of scrutiny.
And by that time, I will not have wasted time nor worried about "changing over" to befit someone else's idea of "what should be" [img]wink.gif[/img] [unless it DEF helps my technique to an extreme advantage over another method.] However, to me this only applies to grip within it's own confines - if you play TG, MG, OH, or CH, then so be it...
[Naturally I'm not referring to a situation like Pete C's, where a monumental life occurence took place & was overcome, because change in this instance was necessary & vital.]
But if someone like Dom...or say, VC, Weckl, or Virg want to change technique at this stage in their games, because they think it's the right thing to do, or theyre just plain bored of mastering the instrument to the n'th degree like they have, or whatever, then so be it - let 'em. I have no qualms wit dat. [img]cool.gif[/img]
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ August 24, 2004 06:04 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>
I'm going to open up Pandora's
Box and say that it's never too
late to change anything and tak-
ing it one step further - that
one cannot know what lies bey-
ond a door UNLESS he opens and
walks into that new world.
One cannot judge change, without
changing. I switched to open-
handed playing after I was 42-
years old. It was NOT too late
to become inspired and a world
of a different player.
And mind you, I think I am play-
ing my very best.
My 1/2 cent.
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Cool, Pete [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img] [img]cool.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/sun.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/rainbow.gif[/img]
You can read this clinic review I posted and the replies. There's some info.
http://www.hostboard.com/cgi-bin/ult...c&f=609&t=1400
anyone has any more videos of his clinic?
he made a VHS years ago , i cannot find it on any shop i shearched [img]graemlins/cry_smile.gif[/img]
I think it makes more sense to simply use a remote hi-hat on the right side if you don't want to cross your arms (Gary Chester was a big proponent of this--read "New Breed"). Realistically, though, is crossing your arms really that big a deal? I don't find it uncomfortable at all.
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I think it makes more sense to simply use a remote hi-hat on the right side if you don't want to cross your arms (Gary Chester was a big proponent of this--read "New Breed"). Realistically, though, is crossing your arms really that big a deal? I don't find it uncomfortable at all.
Rather than the time-consuming, re-learning of re-assigning the limbs, I'd rather put a remote closed hat on my R, & a crash-ride & FT on my L... [img]wink.gif[/img] OH yeah...Weck's da man... [img]tongue.gif[/img]
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ August 25, 2004 05:01 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>
I'll tell you why I think putting
the HH on the right does little more
except make it easier for you to do
what you have already thought about
doing and that's not what playing
open-handed is about at all.
Playing open-handed is a new exper-
ience, showing you a new vista ent-
irely. You will think diffently be-
cause of it and this due to the
fact that our brains are wired to
out limbs in a certain way. Change
that up and you will not only see
a physical but a mental change and
that's what it's about.
Dom is going for that too.
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Well, I always hear from the open-hands supporters that the purpose is to play more "naturally" (by not crossing your arms) and have room to explore the toms. If you start presenting the argument (and I use that term in the friendliest of ways) that its purpose is to free your mind, then we're really not talking about open-handed playing at all -- we're back to the old independence/interdependence drawing board.
I work on my independence, and by doing so, I'm able to play open-handed if I feel like it (which I usually don't unless I'm playing linear patterns). It seems almost as if you're trying to insinuate there is some sort of spiritual revelation people have when they "get it". Maybe I just missed out on it, and maybe I'm missing your point, but I don't see how playing with your left hand on the left side is any more fantastic than playing with your right hand on the right side.
Manos:
"...but I don't see how playing with your left hand on the left side is any more fantastic than playing with your right hand on the right side...."
It wouldn't be if I were left-handed. My point is that because I am right-handed and because I am working out everything that I learned on my right hand, OVER THE LAYER of what I learned already on my left hand and vice-versa, I am exploring new ground and it's for real.
It's hard for me to tell you so that you'd understand and I don't think you or anyone else, who has not and even WILL NOT do it (which is what I get from you're saying) will understand it.
Again, to talk about a change, to conclude about where some road might lead you, without traveling that road is just a waste of your creative process. I'm just sharing with you something that I have found. Don't discard or devalue it because you haven't gone or won't go there.
I say this for all the people who might journey down this road someday.
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ROAD LESS TRAVELED
Two roads diverged in a yellow wood
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth
Then took the other as just as fair
And having perhaps the better claim
Because it was grassy and wanted wear
Though as for that, the passing there
Had worn them really about the same
And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet, knowing how way leads onto way
I doubted if I should ever come back
I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence
Two roads diverged in a wood
And I took the one less traveled by
And that has made all the difference
Robert Frost
Another quote:
"Do not follow where the path may lead... Go instead where there is no
path and leave a trail." -Robert Frost
It doesnt seem to be hurtin' Vinnie, Weckl, or many others, playing crossover. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
But, I DEF hear where you are going w that PC.
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And, a guy like Virgil, it doesnt matter...even tho he plays crossover as a rule, he can switch it [lead] up from limb to limb, top to bottom, R to L when he wants...& he will only get more monstrous as time progresses...
I hears ya...Noted. [img]wink.gif[/img]
In my opinion the most important thing is the sound. I don't care if a drummer is using some wierd grip!! What's the difference? Play the way you're most comfortable and the way you sound the most consistant. Has anyone seen Ari Hoenig play? He has the worst looking matched technique ever. But he sounds amazing. Looks like he's having a siezure though.
Both Keith Carlock and Steve Hass play trad grip and have a full range of motion while the right hand is on the hi-hat. If you set your hi-hat up pretty even with your bass pedal and sit in front of the snare so both legs are comfortable and even, your hi-hat will be close to your first rack. Move your right hand foward, and this gives your left hand that great looking full range moeller technique that both of these guys use.