What do you guy's think about this........

Legit Or Not?

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[This message has been edited by MouhadIb (edited April 16, 2001).]

Hmmm.. intresting... I don't know but seems like I am going to have to find out for myself. Soon!!! I am going to be running the crv crank and 8psi pulley too. Only difference is that my compression ratio will be a little bit lower. Only thing left on my car is the wiring.

Hmmm...sounds pretty legit I guess. He even said he'll be posting his timeslip and dyno numbers so I guess we'll see...

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99' GSR 13.6 @ 103.4mph
-JRSC w/ Walbro Fuel Pump, AEM Intake, Tanabe Racing Medallion Exhaust, Mugen Header, Ground Control Coilovers/ Koni Adjustable Shocks, Black 17x7.5 Volk Racing SE37's, and Wings West Body Kit
Since then: Quaife LSD, ACT Clutch, ZEX Ultra Lightweight Flywheel, AEM Cam gears, and JR BTC

Well, if you read it you will know how I feel.


art

Very nice times... especially for a full-interiored car.

Congratulations.


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'93 Civic Si H/B with B18C1, JRSC @ 8psi
Best 1320: 12.68 at 110 mph

Ok Board Members...

Now wait just a cotton pickin minute..... Javin, Jim, and others do you guys really think he's making that kind of power with his gsr to acheive these times? I mean really, I call BS on this, and I will stick my neck out here. I have known this kit for 3 years and have seen "fairy tales" come and go but this takes the cake. And whats worse is the folks who shyly buy into this. I heard some time ago of a JG car with a sc put out over 300? to the wheels but this was with standalone engine mgt (Motec). Well thats my peace, his trap speeds and times match, but for what I have seen 99% of all other cars do, it smells fishy.
Does anyone remember a poster by the name of "Beaver?" he was a guy that supposedly had a 17psi gsr and was a dentist from MN? It turns out upon a IP search he was actually dialing in from Ft Worth Texas.
Now before you get to thinking about that last one when board members asked for proof, he refused to give it to us. And after getting harrassed on hostboard by myself and others he mysteriously "vanished".

Ok so lets see some proof.
Somebody prove me wrong oh and I personally knew of one guy that went from 8psi to 12psi on a 9.1 built motor and gained good torque numbers but gained gained like 5 peak hp. His numbers were something like 229@189. Some of the "new" folks on this board seem to think one can increase the boost till tommarow but neglect the fact that temps go way up and power increases go up only marginally. I have seen this with a 12psi car in IL, and TX.

This is BS
Mac

I'll believe the guy, for now.

On April 28th, I'll be taking my GSR with a 4" (6psi) blower pulley and a CRV pulley (for total 10psi boost) to the track. I ran 13.9's last time I was there on street tires. This time, I'll only have an LSD and better clutch (stage 2) different besides the boost. Still on street tires.

I'm a decent driver and I'm hoping for a 13.4.

I'll post the timeslips as soon as I can. We'll see how many people think I'm bullshitting... http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smile.gif

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96 GSR, JSRC @6psi, AEM CAI/RSR 4-2-1/Greddy PE, Cartech 20005/Walbro GSS-342/TPS Mod, JR BTC, KYB AGX/H&R OE Sport/ST 19mm Rear Swaybar
Best 1/4 ==> 13.937 @ 101.41mph
My JRSC Install Site

Hey guys I think you guys missed something major here...there is a guy here on this very discussion board that is running those times with almost that exact setup...SCHybrid...I witnessed him run a 12.7 at Moroso in west palm beach this past friday night...he is in the 11psi range with no nos and a stock bottom end...he was also running 20inch slicks with a full interior with friggin 17inch rims in the rear...one more thing was that SCHybrid was not burning out before these runs which made his 60fts a little higher than they should be...I really think SCHybrids car would do low 12's with 22x8inch slicks and a good burn out....so I definately beleive that this guy could run those times

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B18C1 Powered 95 Civic EX Coupe
H22A Powered 92 Civic VX Hatch(In the works)
88 CRX HF(Coming soon)

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CivicR:
Hey guys I think you guys missed something major here...there is a guy here on this very discussion board that is running those times with almost that exact setup...SCHybrid.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hmm, "hybrid" is this an LS Teg body or something else lighter?

Yes it is a Hybrid...I knew someone was going to say that!!...its a Civic EX Coupe to be exact...and it it is definately NOT on the light side at all(Sorry SCHybrid)...Im not sure if SCHybrid was running with the spare and jack in the car...but I would bet the car would weigh damn close to what a GSR weighs...trust me I know I own a Civic EX Coupe with a GSR motor also...so I think it would be a fair comparison

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B18C1 Powered 95 Civic EX Coupe
H22A Powered 92 Civic VX Hatch(In the works)
88 CRX HF(Coming soon)

this guy is most likely telling the truth
because my car runs 13.4 at 103 all motor
and im now putting a blower on it and (jrsc)
nobody believes me and i hope my car runs low 12s to high 11s and only bolting on a charger GSRREV was there for proff!!!

One Bad B20 the original poster (Honda-Tech Link) said he ran 12.6@111 in a full weight GSR@12psi. Not a hybrid. Also when you bolt up your charger, you will have the added benifit of 10% increase in displacement vs the b18c AND the lighter chassis (if youre running a hybrid). I would expect your times and mph to be maybe in the 12.6@111 or 12.5@112 range in a 2440 lb car.

Holden I won't think you are bullshitting but I find it extremely unlkely you will hit 110 or 111 mph trap speeds perhaps 105. One sad thing about all of this is that someones pride will be hurt and will lose thier integrity and post a bs dyno graph, stay silent and giggle at home and shamefully enough mislead others in darkness. There's plenty of clowns at home whose idea of a good time is to mislead others.

Mac

I'm not well versed in trap speeds, but never in my wildest dreams would I expect 110mph next week! Maybe 106. I don't know. I hit like 101mph on my fastest 6psi run.

Greg

ArturboGSR98...you reffered to the times as my car...this is SCHybrids car...we are not the same person http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smile.gif

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B18C1 Powered 95 Civic EX Coupe
H22A Powered 92 Civic VX Hatch(In the works)
88 CRX HF(Coming soon)

MTRS the 1st...there is a someone else that I know that could vouch for that HP level with a charger....matter of fact he is also on this very board and Im suprised that he has not jumped in on this thread...I cant remember if the car was running 11 or 12 psi....but with NOS the car was in the 300+HP level to the wheels with a stock internal motor...I know that they gained around 40hp from the small NOS shot...so if you figure this that would put the motor in the 260+ HP range off the bottle

One more thing...SCHybrids trap speeds are in the 109 range with 17's in the rear...if the car was running some lighter rims I bet he would gain a couple MPH

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B18C1 Powered 95 Civic EX Coupe
H22A Powered 92 Civic VX Hatch(In the works)
88 CRX HF(Coming soon)

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[This message has been edited by CivicR (edited April 17, 2001).]

On other thing -- reciting from my memory, Larry has said these Jackson blowers run safely up to 10psi without modding.

Supposing that he's right, I'd be somewhat worried I would turn it into a 3psi capicity blower from running at true (rpm) 12 psi.

(I'm not sure if that is the result of many sessions of hard use, or maybe you can do that on one really bad day)

CivicR what are your trap speeds when you ran a 12.xx?

art

my trap speeds on my 12.700 run was a 105.86mph.
this is my best run ever...

1.921 60 ft.
5.315
8.166 1/8 mile
86.05 mph
10.621
12.700 1/4 mile
105.86 mph

this run was made with my new type R exhaust cam.
my best mph so far is a 108.9........


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SC HYBRID 94-GSR
JRSC @ 12 psi
12.7 @ 109

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SC HYBRID:
my trap speeds on my 12.700 run was a 105.86mph.
this is my best run ever...

1.921 60 ft.
5.315
8.166 1/8 mile
86.05 mph
10.621
12.700 1/4 mile
105.86 mph

this run was made with my new type R exhaust cam.
my best mph so far is a 108.9........


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CivicR, I hope you see my point. Im not saying his 12.xx was fake. But the true indicator of WHP is the trap speeds. It always works out. Your trap speeds make total sense. Now your time is totaly beliveable. But look at the other guy that said he ran a 12.6 at 112mph. 112mph tells me that he is putting down 270-280 hp to the wheels with out NOS. Its not the time that we are talking about but the trap speeds!!

For example, my friend ran a 14.1 at 117mph in a full interior integra and he weighs 210 lbs. That tells me he is putting down 300+ whp!!

Someone stated that torque rises as the pressure rises in a SC. Well a Z06 corvette has goobs of torque, but with the power to weight ratio I can figure out what a car is capable of running. And it always comes out right.
That is the only point Im trying to make.

art

Civic r,

I am completely AWARE that sc hybrids run in the 108-110 trap speed range. 225 -230 to the wheels x.15%= 255-260 crank hp divided by roughly a 2450-2540lbs curb weight (driver included) roughly similar to a C5 vette 350hp~3220lbs + driver=3400lbs, thus equating to low 13's high 12's in the 108-110 range.

The orginal poster, a charecter named "jrsc teg" from Honda-Tech (has been registered 5 days now) claimed this feat in a FULL WEIGHT ACURA INTEGRA GSR.
Oh and has "heard of this board but doesn't post here, and didn't post this in the Honda-Tech "Forced Induction Forum.

Gee how strange.....

Mac


[This message has been edited by MTRS the 1st (edited April 18, 2001).]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by reddelsol:
On other thing -- reciting from my memory, Larry has said these Jackson blowers run safely up to 10psi without modding.

Supposing that he's right, I'd be somewhat worried I would turn it into a 3psi capicity blower from running at true (rpm) 12 psi.

(I'm not sure if that is the result of many sessions of hard use, or maybe you can do that on one really bad day)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That blower might be safe to run on 10PSI but is the engine? I wouldnt think it is?


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