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August 30th, 2004, 08:22 PM
gymmy

This new Elektric Band album rulez. So far I 'd say it's the most interesting album I've heard yet this year. There's a lot of great ideas going on inside each song. Being a sci-fi fan I personally enjoy the theme, but I don't think L Ron is the best writer of the genre. An album based on Jack Vance's Star King or Niven's Ringworld would be cooler but I can live with To the Stars. The playing and recording on this album is absolutely super. It's structure is similar to Inside Out but the writing is more gigantic. Weckl sounds so good too. Man I gotta go listen to it again.
September 22nd, 2004, 07:01 PM
sjj123

I'm waiting to get out and get this....I just got tickets to see CCEB in November here in Upstate NY....first row in the balcony in the middle no less!! Then to see Vital Info shortly thereafter!!
September 22nd, 2004, 07:34 PM
jonthibault

L. Ron Hubbard is about the worst writer who ever lived. He only started selling books after founding Scientology, when his dopey minions were told to buy his work. There are rumors that he didn't even write half the stuff with his name on it. Don't get me started...

If you're a Chick fan, listen to him for the music, not because of his creepy affiliations. While you're at it, check out:

http://www.xenu.net
September 22nd, 2004, 08:23 PM
FuseU1

I perhaps could understand some sci-fi fans out there being 'into it' for just the fantasy aspects of it...MAYBE...
It IS founded on some pretty-much 'feel-good' emotions stuff, isn't it...which is not bad thing in & of itself...
But to follow it like some sort of religious doctrine or mantra/credo is a bit creepy/eerie & borderline dangerous, IMHO...very crazy "Hollyweird Chic" if you ask me...

Quote:

If you're a Chick fan, listen to him for the music

No doubt.
Always have.
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[ September 22, 2004 05:25 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]
September 22nd, 2004, 08:58 PM
beat Hit

THanks jonthibault for the Link...

As I wrote in another thread yesterday... Hubbard's son (L. Ron Hubbard Jr.) interview by Penthouse Mag in 1983 IS A MUST READ... Realising how deep Chick is into this is disappointing. At his level as a scientologist... He knows what's going on...

That also means that a good chunk of the profit of every "To The Stars" CD will go to that organization... [img]graemlins/hmmm.gif[/img] [img]eek.gif[/img]
September 22nd, 2004, 11:08 PM
Frank Sanchez

Hello All-

To the Stars is an interesting album, but for an album about Space, there sure isn't any!! Notes upon notes upon notes. Take a breath peeps! And, as for the sound, Dave's drums seem to be way out in front. Not bad for a drummer but? I don't know, maybe it's just me, but it seems like they haven't played with each other for a long time and are making up time on this new project by musically overcompensating. I could be wrong?

Beat Hit- How deep is Chick into Scientology? To what thread are you referring? What is a synopsis of that interview to which you referred?

Take Care All. F.S.
September 22nd, 2004, 11:52 PM
PocketPlayer

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jonthibault:
L. Ron Hubbard is about the worst writer who ever lived.

This is just classic, laugh out loud T-Bo!
September 23rd, 2004, 01:36 AM
drumaddix

i agree with Frank.
too many notes on this album.it's not breathing at all.think i'm gonna stick to the older Elektrik band.
nothing new.really.
where as Chick being a scientologist...well...
IMO,his inspiration has kept running dryer and dryer ever since he started getting into that s...t.
too bad.
i'll go back to the unreel cd!! [img]wink.gif[/img]
September 23rd, 2004, 05:45 AM
Tom Hipskind

Quote:

Originally posted by drumaddix:
i agree with Frank.
too many notes on this album.it's not breathing at all.think i'm gonna stick to the older Elektrik band.
nothing new.really.
i'll go back to the unreel cd!! [img]wink.gif[/img]

I agree. Boring. I was hoping for newer, more interesting writing but don't feel there is any here. Further, if he was inspired by this LRH story to write the music, I certainly couldn't tell. Still some nice stuff here & there, but generally disappointing.

-Tom
September 23rd, 2004, 11:56 AM
moosetication

Quote:

Originally posted by drumaddix:
Chick being a scientologist...well...
IMO,his inspiration has kept running dryer and dryer ever since he started getting into that s...t.

Hmm. So it's been running dry for 25 years, then? I'm pretty sure the Delphi I solo piano improv. record was his early days with the Hubbardistas.

I find belief in that crapola(*) from an obviously intelligent person very hard to cope with, but I'm not about to accuse the Elrons of sucking the inspiration out of him.

(*) As an example ... we are now denied ever again seeing Chick work with Stanley Clarke, who committed the ultimate crime of leaving the Hubbardistas. Crazy, crazy behaviour.

[ September 23, 2004 08:56 AM: Message edited by: moosetication ]
September 23rd, 2004, 11:58 AM
moosetication

Quote:

Originally posted by gymmy:
Being a sci-fi fan I personally enjoy the theme, but I don't think L Ron is the best writer of the genre.

Holy understatement, Batman.

Anyone in any doubt about the ... uh, "quality" of Elron's writing, should read the first chapter online here. I mean, puh-leeease.

[ September 23, 2004 09:02 AM: Message edited by: moosetication ]
September 23rd, 2004, 02:02 PM
FuseU1

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read the first chapter online here

Ugh.
Good Lawd. Ditto, moose. Somebody get me outta here...

Soap opera for sci-fi geeks type of writing...or, softcore-porn [as in, that's how they write - on a cheesy, pedestrian, infantile, 'romantically' momentary, appeal-to-emotional level]
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Stanley Clarke, who committed the ultimate crime of leaving the Hubbardistas

Can this be true?! Grown men acting like this?! Please tell me grown men [& women] don't take this sort of stuff seriously...Uh, wait - I don't know why I asked that...just turn on the daily news to see that there is plenty of craziness out there...as long as they keep that sh** to themselves, & don't hurt anyone...?! [:c/

AFA creativity coming from this sort of thing, that's bogus. Human beings are creative w/out having anything to do w this sort of drivel / pseudo-religion...yes, one does draw from experiance, which can fuel creativity, but as moose said [& so eloquently, I might add], "puh-leeeeezzzze"... Hubba-Bubba-Babble...get over yourselves & "get a grip"..."no mo'ron hub, puh-leeease"...

Have you ever noticed how genius often comes with some other strange & whacked out aberration, inversely proportional to & also to the greatest degree as is the area of genius?

"Genius comes with a price..." ;c/

[ September 23, 2004 11:19 AM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]
September 23rd, 2004, 04:20 PM
FuseU1

Not to turn this into a total scientology post, but, I think much of scientology is largely pseudo-psychology / psychosematic, & then the rest, purely & simply psycho...but given the magazine itself & the motives[?] behind Jr, I don't know what to believe...but it's pretty obvious that it's quite simply a "majorly screwed-up" situation...

That intrvw was in June 1983...interesting & bizarre

Quote:

Because of the seriousness of [Hub Jr's] charges and because his father has
affected the lives of thousands, if not millions, of people, Penthouse will be
launching an independent investigation of these charges. The results will be
published in a forthcoming issue

Anyone know anything about that?
September 23rd, 2004, 08:28 PM
JDouglee

I think the CD is really cool, a little bit of everything on there, and I couldn't give a rip about "L. Ron Hoover" either... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I like the latin, the Weather Report nod, and of course, "Frank Gambale on the 'Geetahhh'" (as Chick would call it). It blows that last smooth jazz Elektric Band CD out of the water IMO.
September 24th, 2004, 03:01 AM
Frank Sanchez

Hello All -
Here's the link for the L. Ron Jr. interview that Beat Hit referred to. Sorry you have to copy it and put it in your destination line! Someday? ah who am I kidding!?

http://www.rickross.com/reference/sc.../scien240.html

Very interesting stuff, if even a little is true.

Take Care All. F.S.
September 24th, 2004, 04:22 PM
FlamTriplet

I got it. Starts with a bang and slowly fizzles the rest of the way. I also bought Inside Out at the same time. I think Inside Out has all what a CCEB/Weck fan wants. That album rules.
I will be giving To the Stars some more chances to rise above Inside Out, but I don't think it's gonna happen.
5.5 of 10
September 24th, 2004, 05:01 PM
FuseU1

Quote:

...and I couldn't give a rip about...

True, true.
Playing-wise, the CCEBs/CCABs will always rule...

[ September 24, 2004 02:02 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]
September 24th, 2004, 11:37 PM
beat Hit

Quote:

"Beat Hit- How deep is Chick into Scientology?

How deep? Well... #1 Most (if not all) of Chick's records aknowledges Hubbdard as a major inspiration. Not only that, lots of Hubbard's quotes can also be found written on his records. #2 "To The Stars" is THE most scientologist project Corea ever produced. And now we also know that Hubbard's book is being sold at every (unless I am mistaken) CCEB concerts (Steve mentionned it, a friend also witnessed it at the Montreal Jazz Fest). I am reading between the lines and I conlude that Chick is VERY much involved. And he has all the rights to do so too, I am merely stating what I reason to be a fact.

Quote:

"Very interesting stuff, if even a little is true."

True, true... I am sure not all that Hubbard Jr. said is true. But then again at the end of the interview, what he said about his father didn't sound like he told the story to get back at him, on the contrary he ended on a positive note, wished him well almost. Remember that Hubbard Jr. was in hidding, even changed his identity for a while. Why do you think? He was supposed to become the next #1... He knew too much. Go to jonthibault's link and the picture gets clearer and clearer. It's not like Hubbard Jr. was the only ex-scientologist in hidding. Any organisation that does not let you leave PEACEFULLY out of your own free will is one you must be on your guards with. That alone is a major warning sign.

Quote:

"Not to turn this into a total scientology post"

I know bro... It's just that this specific project is soooo into it, nothing wrong for us to get into talking about a Theme upon which a CD is founded. [img]smile.gif[/img]
September 25th, 2004, 03:59 PM
beat Hit

I conclude this topic with this... [img]eek.gif[/img] That's serious stuff folks...

http://www.razormagazine.com/feature1203a.php
September 25th, 2004, 04:03 PM
FuseU1

Is it just me or...is it evident that many proponents of this seemed cult are already [& have long been] hugely successful, wealthy, & 'famous' / 'in the limelight'...such as CEOs / business people, Hollyweird actors/actresses, & very successful music artists? [img]graemlins/hmmm.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thinking.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/wonder.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/sure.gif[/img]

Don't get me wrong, CC has always / long been one of my FAVE musicians evar...phenom pnist...but that quote of mine earlier, "Have you ever noticed how genius often comes with some other strange & whacked out aberration, inversely proportional to & also to the greatest degree as is the area of genius?"...this cultish phenom is as bizarre as the pno playing is good...

[ September 25, 2004 02:08 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]