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The header came in the mail. Here are some pics:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?...nce=0&res=high
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?...nce=0&res=high
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?...nce=0&res=high
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?...nce=0&res=high
Now to install this bad boy.
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That's cool, let us know how it works! The install should be easy but those primaries look a lot like the ones in my A'pex 4-2-1 I don't know if mine are larger or not but the big curves look very similar (like the top picture shows). You might have to loosen the fan and a few other pieces to get it in there (or maybe not since it is a 2 piece design).
Godd luck,
Manuel
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'96 GSR, JRSC 6 psi, Greddy Sp, Apex 4-2-1, Home made CAI w/K&N, Ground controls coil overs, Eibach, AGX, DC short shifter, more stuff on the way.... :)
Whats the quality like?
I have heard of large power gains, yet fairly poor build quality. Does this still hold truth, or has TOO's involvment really increased product quality?
Thanks
The build quality is very nice, and I thihnk the power delivery quality will be even better. Larry has recommended this header, sure I think that helps.
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For the record, what are the *expected* power gains and in what RPM ranges?
Lundgren,
Try doing back to back test from the Stock Manifold to the Header. Well see if this thing works or just more snake oil.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SSBP:
Lundgren,
Try doing back to back test from the Stock Manifold to the Header. Well see if this thing works or just more snake oil.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
My words exactly. I want to see some #'s on that sucka. Lund, the ball is in your court big guy. I hope it works out. http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
.............................long live the SOHC
I won't have pre-dyno numbers or post-dyno numbers on a dynojet (mustang dyno though), but I can give you an honest answer on how the butt dyno works.
Spend a few dollars and do it the right way. Everyone's butt is different.
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I'll be surprised if the butt dyno feels anything.
Greg
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lundgren:
I won't have pre-dyno numbers or post-dyno numbers on a dynojet (mustang dyno though), but I can give you an honest answer on how the butt dyno works.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, the 'stang dyno will be million times more accurate than your butt http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smile.gif At least you will have some #'s to compare. Maybe someone will even bring the infamous DC 4-1 or 4-2-1 header(1 piece).
Like I said before, I hope that shit works as advertised ;D
Yes, Larry has been wrong before... Hell, we all have. He just doesn't make a habit of it... he is pretty damn good at what he does.
The reality is a great tuner learns something NEW each and every day... which in turn means that we don't know everything !!!
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'93 Civic Si H/B with B18C1, JRSC @ 8psi
Best 1320: 12.68 at 110 mph
Nice grass Jeff... you taking pictures of that shiny thing on a Golf Course ?!?
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'93 Civic Si H/B with B18C1, JRSC @ 8psi
Best 1320: 12.68 at 110 mph
And you can almost see Jeff's ugly face in the reflection on the header, http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smile.gif:-)
For me to poop on!
I kid! I kid!
As you can tell I am bored http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/wink.gif
The only dyno is in omaha, 2 hours away. This header cannot just bolt up, I have to replace the cat, or move it back, so to pre-dyno it, then bolt it up, and re-dyno it is way to cost prohibitive.
I'll be able to tell if it gained power, because I can benchmark my car next to VteCno Geeks, who has a header, a higher flowing exhaust, and a high flow cat. He has more top end power than I do, and so I should be able to compare it with his at the strip where we are both consistant.
As for the butt dyno, I'll let you know what i feel. According to Larry, I should be able to feel it, they always do. They say this header makes more power than any other they've tested, with exception of John's new header, but that's like a grand. So if I don't feel anything, then I'm sure it didn't do much.
I will post my dyno numbers after I tune everything out, which will show torque curve too.
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Have you seen this:
http://www.b16a.com/files/1-5298-hea...no_testing.htm
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Has Larry ever been wrong?
He's been doing this whole car thing alot longer than most of us have even been on the earth.
I've faith in the kamikaze with the large collector.
I could be mistaken, but will you be running an unrestricted 3" through the entire exhaust now? I've got a butt dyno laying around here somewhere that I'd be happy to lend you.
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Boost first...ask questions later.
I was under the impression that the stock LS setup was 1.75" all the way through. http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/confused.gif
I havent committed to the Thermal (2.25") piece, and I want to stay away from the 3" unit since noise level is a concern of mine. If I can find a 2.5" exhaust which is reasonably quiet except for WOT then I'd get that. Any recommendations ?
A 2.5" setup all the way through would be ideal.
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total sleeper
1996 LS Sedan with TypeR JRSC M62 @ 6psi
I'm following this thread very intently - I want the Kami 4-1 "Zero" as on Groupbuy - ANYTHING has to be better than the stock LS header.
Lundgren - what is the size of your CAT ? Ive seen universal CATs (2.5" size) from $70 to $100, in different lengths (14" and 16" I think)
Then I want to add an exhaust - maybe the Thermal 2.25" piece
Kami 2.5" >> Universal 2.5" CAT >> 2.25" Exhaust
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total sleeper
1996 LS Sedan with TypeR JRSC M62 @ 6psi
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The LS Avenger:
Then I want to add an exhaust - maybe the Thermal 2.25" piece
Kami 2.5" >> Universal 2.5" CAT >> 2.25" Exhaust
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Why would you go from 2-2 1/4in stock exh manifold to a larger 2.5 header and cat and NOT upgrade the exahust piping. That makes no sense.....spend good money for performance to choke it of with the exhaust piping http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/confused.gif
I was suggesting having a custom one done. Where I live this guy(out in the country) will make you an exhaust piping for $100-$150. I guess I'm lucky to live in KY. How much does that damn Mugen twin loop cost? Damn, why couldn't you run a Suppertapp exhaust.......doesn't it have silencer discs?
lund: whaz UP mr. groupbuy mutha! damn mann, whatca gets da "R" kama header for? going fo r that bigga collector (2.5") wtf is da kama size for da damn GS-R then? shitz going 3" cat is f--k'n useless cuz if yo P.O.S. RSR is 2.5" then it aint doing dick! plus a 3" exhaust is gonna rob yo stupidazz of low-end and most v8s or crazzy muthas spin they turbos ta infinity and beyond only needs that bullshitz! yeah, yeah, is that what that old one on a wheelchair recommended? mann, i don't give a rat's azz bout that header test they be doing up!--where da f--k is his dyno sheets...yeah, same place where he left his f--k'n supercharger...in the damn toliet! mann, butt dynos are free same shitz as talk'n outty yo pie hole. don't yo azz know some foo atleast wid a g-meter if ya too damn faraway from a f--k'n dyno? i still be doubt'n da quality of that shitz for a f--k'n 2 bill header...hella peeps had they shitz rust outty and crack so don't tell me its got a SS finish on them f--kers...do they?--hey crom...i can almost see his ugly mugg too!
peace.