Survivor All Stars

All of our favorites (well most of them any way) are back. Who are you rooting for? Who do you want to see voted off as quickly as possible?

While spoilers abound, please keep them out of this topic.

All Iw as thinking last night was "Please win this damn game fast Patriots". The season opener of All Stars did not disappoint. If you missed it, it will re-air on Tuesday at 8pm.

I love how they constructed the teams. Let me see, Tina hated Jerri in the OUtback, so put them on the same team. Jenna L dated ethan who dumped her for Jenna M, lets put them on hte same team. I love it.

My only nit pick is that I think all of the winners should have been placed on the same team to give them a slightly more even playing field. While I am not a big fan of Vecipia and Brian, if they had been invited, one team of six could have been all the winners. Since Vecepia and Brian were not even asked if they wanted to play again, why not put the four winners and two second place finishers on one team. Just a thought

They could have put the winners on the same team, but would have had trouble with putting second placers on same team. Colby and Tina had a alliance. Ethan and Lex had a alliance. I think they were trying to avoid alliances right off the bat.

That said, the make up of the teams is interesting. The Richard Hatch team seems to be made up of all control freaks. This team should be fun.

Ethan's team just spells trouble. And Rupert and Rudy are stupid for voting out Tina. 1. They could have counted on Ethan. 2. They just LOST a competition. Don't vote off a stronger player to keep a whiner. If Jenna hadn't *rode* the raft the entire way, they might have had a chance.

One bit of outside info, not a spoiler, unless you were waiting for Sue to die from drinking the water. Godfather Rob was quoted in TV Guide, talking about the Survivor Doctor being all worried because Sue was drinking the uncooked water and eating uncooked crabs. He didn't think the Doctor should have worried, "You need Silver Bullets and a Stake to kill Sue!"

Lex didn't finish second, he finished fourth. There was a problem during the immunity competition, he was right on who did not have any piercing, but Jeff had a different answer and said Lex was wrong, so Lex lost immunity. Trying to remember the name of the women who took Ethan to the final two, she won immunity. Since she was immune, Ethan, Lex, and Tom had to decide who to vote off. Ethan and Tom voted for Lex, Lex was gone.

Later, Lex insisted that his answer was correct. Had he been credited with a correct answer he would have tied with the women and could have won immunity in a sudden death competition. Since he was not able to, and was voted off as a sresult, he argued that he lost his chace to win the game. Had he won, she would have booted and the final three would have been Lex, Tom, and Ethan. Since she also won the final immunity, she blocked Tom from the final two. In order to resolve this problem, Tom and Ethan also won the second place money.

Still, Lex finished fourth in his season. While he and Ethan had an alliance, I think Lex would have taken Tom, and vice versa, into the final vote if they had a choice.

There is the problem that Ethan dated Jenna M. I am not sure if they were dating at the time of the show or not....

PS I think I need help, I am too interested in this show. Anyone know of a good twelve step program?

You're a sick woman Crash, A very sick woman, LOL.

Seriously, I look up to your knowledge, since I didn't start watching Survivor until the Bryan/Clay season. So, I am familiar with name Colby (isn't he the one they busted when they thought he was off sneaking food?) and Jerri, but other than the last 3 series, I'm pretty clueless.

Of the folks I know, I like Shi Ann and Rupert.

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ February 03, 2004 05:17 PM: Message edited by: sindatur ]</font>

Nah, Colby is the golden boy they rigged the competitions for. [img]wink.gif[/img]

Kel was the jerky boy. But he was framed by Jerri.

From Austraila, Colby and Tina were the finalists. Colby won the last several immunities, twice the rules were bent. (Once in plate breaking, once in rope trail, his hand left the rope.) Alicia was a no nonsense type player. She got in a fight with another chick who was invading her personal space. Amber had no personality, she was known as Jerri's lapdog. Jerri was the resident bi*ch for her season. Until Heidi and Jenna, she was most loathed. Tina was a gamer. Probably one of the better players we have seen. Her manipulations weren't so obviouss.

From first season, Richard, Rudy, Sue and Jenna. Richard was the manipulator. Rudy was the old crumudgen. Sue, hell on wheels. Spiteful is a word that comes to mind. And Jenna was the cry baby. She was bawling at least three times a episode. The time she strikes me as a bit bitter, but then being on a team with your ex-boyfriend after you have been dumped, can't be easy.

The Bryan/Clay season was probably the worst season. Hence them only bringing Shi-Devil.

From Africa, Ethan was a nice guy and actually won. Lex turned Psycho and they bounced him. He was a total control freak and became more paranoid as time progressed. Tom was a good ole boy. Lots of fun, he was.

That's off the top of my head.

And Crash, you're right. I was just remembering the Ethan/Lex/Tom alliance. Which seemed pretty tight. And yes, Lex would have given Ethan the boot. Ethan was the nice guy that season and Lex wanted to win.

Thailand I found pretty boring but not as bad as Africa. Africa had some great contestants but in an awful environment. The tribes movements were really limited due to the wild life that would eat them if they went to far. I would have loved to have seen that cast in another environment.

Sindutar, what cast members are you least familiar with? Azziz and I can easily fill you in. You can also go to the CBS website and read the info there about the past seasons.

Azziz, Tina stated in interviews that Colby has a bum shoulder, he might go earlier then we think because he cannot do as much as he would otherwise do. (OK that is one crappy sentence...)

Well, I know Shii Ann, Rupert (I like both of them), and that Scrawny Rob (who I immensely dislike), since they are from the last 3, and other than that, I've only heard names.

Actually we picked up a Star Magazine the other day (I know, Groan!!!!) and it's got all the players with their pictures divided into their teams, and a little blurb on each of them (The blurb is supposedly Jeff's analysis of how each may interact this time around)

The thing that's always amazed me is when the tribes vote off their strongest (either mental or Physical) players.

Personally, it seems to me, the best strategy is not to get rid of anyone who is a threat, until after the merge. Prior to the merge, you need your best folks to help you win the challenges for rewards and immunity.

I agree with you Prof Crash, it was sad to see Rudy go, but, it was the wisest decision for the tribe to make.

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ February 06, 2004 01:53 PM: Message edited by: sindatur ]</font>

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor8/index.shtml

The URl for CBS Survivor website. There are links to the past Survivors for reference

Questions, questions, questions...

How the heck did Sabago manage to lose the lead in the immunity challenge. My god did they self destruct.

Am I the only one scared by the fact that Chapera (Rob M and Sue's team) is dominating the immunity challenges?

And did Mogo Mogo choose Richard to swim the last lap in the reward challenge only to keep him from standing on the beach naked?

Sorry to see Rudy go but he was the logical choice. I actually thought he would have been a better choice then Tina to go in the first episode. Rudy has a ton of heart and is not going to complain but he is not able to compete at the same level as the other competitor. I think last night he said that the competition was 1/3 of his age. More like 1/2 to 2/3. Rudy is 76 years old. Tina, Tom, Kathy and Richard are in their 40's. Ethan, Colby, Jenna, Jerri are in their 30's. The rest are in their 20's. In terms of endurance, Rudy is not going to be able to last long no matter how great shape he is in for his age.

I would have thought that Rudy would have been able to help with building the fire, scouting for food, the basic survival skills but he did not. It was clear that he was lagging behind in the challenges. It is a shame, because I really like Rudy but it was the most logical boot. I am glad to see that Rupert did not vote for Rudy. If Rupert is smart, he goes to Ehtan and says "I made a pact with Rudy that I would not vote for him. I knew there were enough votes to vote Rudy off so I voted for you." With the right explination, Ethan should be ok with the siutation and Rupert should be safe.

I get the feeling that we get to see the real Jerri next week. She has been working way too hard to be nice. I agree with Jeff Probst when he says that by the end of it, you see the core person. Jerri did not try and play the bitch in Australia, she was just who she was. Ever since then she has been trying to redeem herself (Surreal life anyone?). Next week, we get to see the true Jerri emerge. We already know that Rupert is a control freak, so no surprise there either. All I want to know is who broke the spear Rupert went fishing with...

With Jerri and Jenna calling the shots, they are not thinking with stategy. They are operating from a place of spite. Jerri towards Tina, Jenna towards Ethan. Rudy and Rupert where stupid to side with them. Yeah, noone wants to see one of the previous winners win, but you don't get rid of them until after the merge. You have to go with stength to get to merge. Otherwise, none of you might make to merge and you are easy pickings.

But like a tribe that was self destructing before (Brian's, whatever season that was), they could still pull it out.

Brian was Thailand. A season so interesting they brought back only Shii Ann and didn't even ask Brian if he wanted to be on the show.

Thailand had batty Jane, who buried the dead bat and the chicken heads. Ghandia, who accused Ted of grinding her when they were sleeping. Helen who was obsessed with recipes. Clay who might have been a racist. Robb the skateboarding idiot. Ken the NY police officer (This season occured after after September 11 so people thought he would win). Jake who was the older man who put together the team of losers. The rest I really don't remember. I know that I missed the season finale and really didn't care, which is saying alot.

Aziz, agreed about Jerri and Jenna. I would have gotten rid of Rudy and then Tina if the tribe lost the second immunity challenge. I can't see them winning it with Tina there, since they had such a huge lead and blew it. The problem was with Rupert. He was allied with Rudy and would not vote Rudy off. Jenna was so loud in her vote off the winners strategy that Ethan and Tina were not going to talk to Jenna and Jerri about voting off the weakest link, Rudy. So Tina went. Tina is a better choice to go then Jenna or Jerri, who are stronger and more helpful in the challenges then Tina.

Wow.

Kudos to Jenna. When I heard she would be leaving in the spoilers, it was assumed that she left when her mother died. I'm very glad she got home before her mother's death. Their bond must have been very strong.

Could Rupert and Big Tom have been bigger jerks tho? Others may have been as insensitive, we had a phone call so I didn't see everyone's response.

I knew she had left before her mother died, I had assumed that her family had sent word that things had taken a turn for the worse and then she went home. I was surprised to see that she left with no updated info.

I thought Alicia was the least tactful. Rupert simply said it was a tough decision and Tom said he would not have gone home. Alicia was the one who said that Jenna made a bad choice and that she, Alicia, would not have agreed to play in the same situation. Then again, Kathy said the same thing in a private interview, I guess it is different because she was supportive of Jenna's decision when she made it.

I would have to say that I agree with Alicia, that she should not have come out to play the game. When the Amazon was being played, Jenna was talking about how worried she was about her Moms health. Many people actually think that is why she won, she received sympathy votes because people knew that she would use the money to help her mother.

Jenna's mom had been sick with cancer for 12 years. There was no doubt that the cancer would kill her, based on Jenna's own comments, the question was always when will it happen. Over the last couple of years, her Mom had become more and more sick. One year ago things were tenious. Jenna came to the Amazon, with her Mothers blessing, and won the game. That entire time she worried her Mom was going to die while she was in the jungle.

A year later, her Mom is getting more sick and has been moved to a cancer rehab center, which means hospice. My understanding of the hospice system is that it is a very loving, caring place for people who are dying to live their last days. There is 24 hour care, the staff is there to help take care of the residents but also to help the patient and the family prepare for the persons death. You do not go to a hospice unless you are close to dying.

There was every sign that her Mother was going to die in the near future, what was Jenna doing in Panama? I don't think it is necessarily wrong to ask that question. A bit more tactfully then Alicia did and at a different time, but it is a fair question to ask. I have a feeling that Jenna knows that and has asked herself that same question.

To her credit, Jenna admitted she made a mistake coming and the should not have agreed to play the game a second time. She made the correct decision in going home when she did. She was fortunate in that she had a week with her mother before she died. I feel for her. For 1/2 her life, Jenna had to deal with the possibility of her mother dying, that is something that I would not wish on anyone. I cannot imagine the pain that comes with growing up with a terminally ill parent.