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ok.... this thread has been spawned by a
conversation between me and gravy train.
although i've shared my soon-to-be posted
thoughts on this issue with others, its
HIGH time i post them here.
if any of you have issues with what i'm
about to say... this is a GD message board,
post 'em.
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it sincerely bothers me that alcohol is
socially acceptable and marijuana isn't.
(and by that, i mean, socially acceptable
in the realm of most age/wealth/classes.)
in a recent conversation (tg), i mentioned
some things that i have noticed between
the use of both alcohol and marijuana
and feel that i should share it. you don't
like, you can blow blow blow me.
remember... these 'insights' are from my
personal experience in and around the
issue. also remember, that these cases are
representative of (my) typical circumstance--
that is: involving others. these cases may
or may not be true if you were alone.
#1 -- alcohol dumbs the hearing sense...
causing jackasses to become loud and overly
obnoxious in order to get a point across.
marijuana creates an inner void so damn loud
you mostly whisper or speak softly. silence
is a killer.
#2 -- when you hit your peak, alcohol makes
you wanna DO something... anything physical
or active.
when you hit your peak, marijuana makes
you wanna sit on the couch and watch tv,
listen to music, or any other general thing
other than physical activity.
#3 -- alcohol slurs your speech (this
includes typing for all you gay enough to
come online after being drunk).
marijuana does not slur your speech. moreso,
you are more careful and direct about what
you want to say... and mostly you are there
rambling some 'coded' message... prolly
being OVERLY descriptive and drawn-out.
#4 -- alcohol impairs driving... to the
extent that you are sometimes seeing double,
not noticing the lines of the road are
moving from under you... or that you are
some superhuman geek and have to drive
like a badass.
marijuana (or should i say, the FEAR of
being busted) makes you so damn paranoid
that you'll be busted that you drive like
a mo fo grandma. usually being OVERLY
careful and lame.
#5 -- alcohol makes you forget (or the
common 'black out' periods).
i've never experienced forgetting or blacking
out when under the effects of marijuana.
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while i am sure there are more, i'm being
distracted from this post and cannot complete
it correctly. i'm sure some of you will
offer more alcohol-supportive banter, but
i sincerely doubt that you can alter my
feelings on the issue. especially since
most of you may have only been constituents
of alcohol only.
while this is a constant debate politically
and among other social circles/groups,
i'd still be interested in your thoughts.
another recent conversation i had about this
topic created results similarly shocking
in that marijuana use is mainly shrouded
behind smoking taboos. fair enough.
but one statement bothers me most--
the typical "marijuana is smoking and
smoking is bad for your lungs" cop-out.
wtf do you think alcohol does???
oh yes, and one more thing...
the above, i must stress, is just an average
run-through... not at all consistant in
all cases. i will allow that many people
experience different things and blah blah
blah. booooooooooooooring!
and... the above was only a contrast of
each 'drug' standing alone... certainly
not paired. but at any rate, my sister
made a comment once that really hit
the nail on the head, and for some reason,
i applaud her for it. =P
she and i were talking about dumb bitches
and how they act when drunk and blah blah
blah, and how you have a certain 'shield'
when drinking because you can cop-out
on being uninhibited... however, she
was saying that if a girl were to drink
and take marijuana -- and that same girl
were to end up getting laid by a stranger
or some other after-school special...
its the alcohol... NOT the marijuana, that caused it
(in as far as motivators go)
so, with that.... post something
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the fact that marijuana is illegal is absurd.
my recent crown and coke experiment left me fucked up that night and most of the following day.
if we had just passed a bong around i would have been fine.
damn you people for not bringing weed!
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Anything associated with hippies is a bad thing.
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I'm a college student and a nurse, my peers in the first context indulge in both alcohol and marijuana frequently; it's college, that's what you're supposed to do, right? Yet, in the second context, my peers would be probably be much more stigmatized for using marijuana, although who would want a drunk nurse responsible for them or thier family? I am not suggesting that my co-workers have substance abuse problems, just a hypothetical to get at some of the hypocrisy around this issue.
Because I'm a nurse, I started out with a very anti-marijuana stance. I felt like it had to be illegal for a reason, but if you apply the same criteria to alcohol, it really shouldn't be legal either. Alcohol has no legitimate medicinal use, unless you pour it in a wound to disinfect it, has detrimental effects on health, impairs decision making, is addictive, blah, blah, blah.
I had to do some research for a discussion class last semester, and some of the most persuasive arguments for the absurdity of the "war on drugs" actually come from the ONDCP (office of national drug control policy). The US government spends billions of dollars annually, with very little of that going towards rehab or counselling, and has had a negligible impact on the volume of drugs coming into the country or being consumed.
People have the right to make bad choices in other areas. They can smoke cigarettes, drink to excess, eat too much, fail to take care of themselves in any number of ways without incurring jail time, but smoking marijuana is illegal and in many places is attached to mandatory minimum sentencing laws. It seems a bit illogical.
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coming from one of those countries where buying and using weed are actually legal i'd like to add that i believe drug use is many times lower here than compared to say, the us.
And i think that it makes sense to allow people to use weed if they want to, alcohol, driving, chocolate, there's all kinds of things that influence you, and the only one to decide if you want to take them are you. It's almost as preposterous as suicide being forbidden.
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anyone dangerous enough to committ suicide should be prosecuted and sentenced to death!!!
there is no place for people like that in our society.
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i completely agree with zela... and i find cya's
post really good.
i am somewhat stubborn.
i feel that the reason so many drugs are being
used, and being used in excess, is because its
not allowed. if the drug war were to end at
marijuana, that would be fine with me.
i haven't done any type of illicit drug in
many years. but i did not start using drugs by
starting on marijuana. in fact, it was marijuana
that was used to reverse the effects of some
other things i used. (i know, i know).
i will never say that the things i used were
stupid or dumb. nor will i chalk it up to an
adolescent rebellion. its an experience none
the less... and i'd never take it away. as
mentioned earlier, it is better to speak of
something you have experienced than to speak
ignorantly about something you've 'heard'.
out of everything i had used, marijuana was the
least of the worries. i can speak first hand
that i agree that many of the illicit drugs are
illicit for a reason. i have no problem with
this issue. my main reason for this post is
to distinguish marijuana from other hard drugs.
in comparison, marijuana is weak. (and i'm
not referring to weed laced with other hard
drugs or chemicals -- thats another issue altogether).
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let me put it this way, i know several people who use weed every now and then, a few friends of mine use it once a ... well.. month to relax, or another one maybe once a week.
Sure he loses a whole day from being stoned, but at least he doesn't hurt anyone, doesn't get into fights with other drunk people, and they are all able to cope with their usage, in the sense that they can just dose it in a way that does not interfere with their life.
Probably the main reason why i never tried it, i'm not sure if i would be able to stop myself from letting it influence my life too much (yeah, i know, quite anal).
On another hand, a friend of mine, whom i know is now being treated by a psych, turned out he was an alcoholic, which kind of surprised me, untill he told me that he used to drink about 12 beers daily. That's almost 4 litres, or a gallon.
In my opinion both alcohol and weed have their cons, but when one allows alcohol, or tobacco, it's hypocritical (is that a word?) to not allow weed as well.
(oh, and tastingood , suicide is a capital crime in england [img]biggrin.gif[/img] )
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this is stupid
both of those are dumb as fuck
for weak fucks who can't accept reality!
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Originally posted by shatzy:
It sincerely bothers me that alcohol is
socially acceptable and marijuana isn't.
(and by that, i mean, socially acceptable
in the realm of most age/wealth/classes.)
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I am confused by this statement. I am not sure if you are refering to alcohol being "socially acceptable" because a person of legal drinking age can have a drink in public viewing without harassment or fear of the law cracking down on them. Or if you view alcohol as socially acceptable because of its wide availability.
In either case you must understand that part of the "socially acceptable part comes from alcohol being legal to those of drinking age. But as far as it being socially acceptable I would have to argue the case with many facts such as the number of people that voice their strong oppinion against alcohol and its use like MADD (Mother against drunk drives. Alcohol being so "socially acceptable" has led to it being one of the leading causes of death. Also with the number of under age drinkers that do not drink socially but more so for the "peer- pressure" and the adverse affects alcohol brings when taken in large volumes. This is one of the reasons the legal drinking age for alcohol in Colorado has risen from 18 to 21. And mind you this wasn't just recently but the change was made during the Regan year way back in the 1980's. So I am not saying alcohol isn't socially acceptable.... just more so when compaired to marijuana mostly due to it being Legal.
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i mentioned
some things that i have noticed between
the use of both alcohol and marijuana
and feel that i should share it. you don't
like, you can blow blow blow me. </font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>
Weather we like your statements or not... would that not be physically impossible?? :-)
Having experianced both sides of the debate alcohol vs marijuana I can see the attraction to both and also the cons from an outsiders point of view. it is very hipocritical for someone who has never tried either or both to sit back and say this is bad because .... or you shouldn't because.... The laws were made by the people for the people. The only way to change the laws is to vote. But I am not here to start a political campaign to win over a change of the law.
I just want to say that in the experiances I have personal seen or withnessed either alcohol or marijuana can can be bad when taken in excess or by someone not of sound mental state.
I have seen many friends killed by drinking and driving as well as seen many people sit and watch life pass them by as the smoked it away.
I loved your comparisons between the two types of people though I have one to add. Though I am not saying one is better then the other...
A person who drinks alcohol the night before to excess and has done so for a long while builds up a tollerance for it and though may get a beer gut and seem lazy will actually acknowledge you when spoken directly too
Where as a person who smokes pot on a wide basis and has done so for many years seem to stare at space and only grasp half of what you say when spoken directly to. It is as if they hear the words yet the hamster can't seem to find the wheel and if he did... he doesn't really care to go round.
I do know many many smart people prefer to take a hit of the ol pipe now and then but imagine how many brain cells would be left if they had chosen something else less mind altering.
Or how many kids and adults would be alive if someone would STOP at a reasonable level of alocohol.
I personally don't mind what a person does and would never judge a person for drinking nor the use of marijuana. A person to me is judged by their actions. I myself am a speeder. A speed freek. A person who can not get enough of the MPH weather it be on the road or on the track. By law I commit many crimes each day with the twist of the throttle. I can lay blame at no one but myself as the laws are clearly written though I choose to break them even though it is socially un acceptable to do so.
So back to the topic at hand...
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">it sincerely bothers me that alcohol is
socially acceptable and marijuana isn't.
(and by that, i mean, socially acceptable
in the realm of most age/wealth/classes.)
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I sympathize with the fact that smoking marijuana in the USA isn't as socially acceptable but for one moment try to imagine if it was? I know some countries have places where you can out right buy this stuff and fear no legal reprocussion. But in those countries drug use is much wider on a scale and also the types of drugs are increased from just pot to serious drug use such as cocain, heroin, meth.. etc... No weather this be because the fun ( the "I'm doing something illeagle...giggle") part is now taken away or maybe it is because with it being leagle the amount of use went up to a point where the "comfortable state they use to find in marijuana now is replaced by something of much harder (mind altering). My only con against pot is that 1 drug usually leads to another type and another type and so on. Where as alcohol in reverse only leads to more drinking of the same content. If you speak with anyone who has tried pot ask them if they currently use any other drug or have tried any other drugs? That is the part that scares me.
CYA
[img]eek.gif[/img]
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Originally posted by Cow Cud Is A Twin:
this is stupid
both of those are dumb as fuck
for weak fucks who can't accept reality!</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>
Niiiice.
I agree, but only if you're referring to those who use either to "escape" and at such a frequency that they can't get through their normal day to day lives.
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ah well, reality is overrated.
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Reality?
where to begin!
but both of those "dull" things...
why dull it?
Keep your blood clean, your body lean, and your mind sharp!
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bwaaaaaaaahahahhahahhaahhahahaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
*insert a long post attempting to urge hanny into
asserting which (or what) reality he's referring to*
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I wonder where you're going with that, as far as i see this discussion was about the hypocrisy of calling weed illegal, whereas alcohol for example is not.
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that is correct, zela.
but i feel it necessary to answer ivana just because
topics like this rarely come up here and its
a good chance to let it 'all hang out' before
it gets toppled and gone for good. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
naturally, IMO, the only reason why i would have
smoked marijuana (or drink alcohol for that matter)
is because i like how it makes me feel.
of course you can't judge such a thing on your
first try because, like cooking, its comes with
age (meaning time, not actual age)or experience.
when i first tried alcohol, i didn't care for
the taste at all. but after you've done the
'shit-faced-because-your-friends-think-its-cool'
routine, you can then vary your levels and
see what is comfortable for you, if you choose.
its like riding a roller coaster (bad analogy)
or driving a car or riding a horse the very
first time: sure its scary, but there are some
things about it that you may enjoy. if you
do not enjoy it the first time, you can either
opt to never do the activity again... or try
it some other time and see how that settles.
fortunately (???) back when i used marijuana,
i didn't have the kind of friends that got
stoned because it was cool... nor were they
the typical media-related junkies. if a person
didn't want to smoke it, it was fine, and they
didn't think differently about that person.
(and IMO, most marijuana users are like this)
since this relates, let me add that when a person
offers you marijuana, its for one of two reasons:
#1 -- they see you as a potential buyer
#2 -- they want to share with you
#1 can easily come from #2 and vice versa, but
mainly it can be divided that way. marijuana
is not expensive -- but its certainly not as
cheap as a candy bar. if you know a person that
uses marijuana often, and they offer you some,
rest assured that they are being generous.
i never shared mine. EVER. to be honest, i hardly
ever had to pay for any... but when i did,
i never shared it, simply because i paid for it
and i was sure to pay for what i know was good.
and i wouldn't share that with just anyone.
not to mention the potential risks involved in
flapping your lips and getting caught.
if the person offering you the weed is someone
you know well and you like them (trust them)
consider it a kind offer... (not that you have
to accept).
if its a person that you don't know really well,
decline, decline, decline. =P
anyways, i know i went on tangent from the
original Q. i'm just saying that i did it because
i enjoyed how it made me feel. and i used it
responsibly (if thats possible, considering
its illegal).
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tangent alert!
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and i used it
responsibly (if thats possible, considering
its illegal).
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As previously mentioned, it's hard to talk about something you haven't experienced and seeing as how I've never tried marijuana, I will not debate which is better (or worse).
shatzy, your original post is very interesting - you explain things I didn't know about before which is why I'm keeping a close eye on this thread [img]wink.gif[/img]
Anyway, I'd like to add a question, if I may.
What are your reasons or a motivation (call it as you like) for smoking marijuana. This is directed at anyone who's done marijuana or any other drug. Is it just b/c you like the tast or is there more? I've had oportunities to try it but I can't stand the smell of it and I'm not curious enough.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Originally posted by Ivana:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Originally posted by zelazny:
I wonder where you're going with that, as far as i see this discussion was about the hypocrisy of calling weed illegal, whereas alcohol for example is not.</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>
I know but I was curious and I don't think of this board as being rigid when talking about something.
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It's not that i don't want to answer, i just didnt see where you were going at that time, and to answer your question, i use some alcohol, because it 'loosens you up' , helps lubricate social situations, basically i tend to drink beer mainly for the social aspect, but hey , it doesn't taste bad either.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Originally posted by zelazny:
I wonder where you're going with that, as far as i see this discussion was about the hypocrisy of calling weed illegal, whereas alcohol for example is not.</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>
I know but I was curious and I don't think of this board as being rigid when talking about something.
Thanks for answering [img]smile.gif[/img]
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This is the kind of topic that the Romans talked about just before their empire fell.
ex.
"Hey Martino, do ya eat ya the grapes with youa weight on the left elbow or on youa girlafrindas back? hey martino, which is it...?
Bwaaaaaaaahahahaaa."
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Anyway, since I'm not qualified to give an opinion because I don't do either, here goes anyway.
Pot smokers tend to create an inner world that in many instances revolves around their pot smoking.
The afternoon pot session was popular among some I knew when I was in college.
Usually the pot dosages increase over time to reach the desired feeling. Pot smokers inevitably search each other out, probably because there is strength in numbers and it's an opportunity to "test" other brands of pot to see if your contact is giving you the shaft. Meaning they hook on good stuff, then begin diluting or selling you crappier stuff.
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While I would agree that the overuse of alchohol is just as bad as regular use of marijuana, the drinker who can actually stop after one or two glasses of wine, once a day, is by far in a league of their own.
Studies actually show that a mild amount of wine, especially the red wines made from the darker grapes are actually good for your heart.
The biggest problem with the overuse of alcohol or marijuana is the person who drives a vehicle while under the influence. That is why we "police" against the abuse of alcohol and the use of marijuana.
The banks just can't tolerate the loss of their property before it's paid for. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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<font size=30>LMMFAO!!!!!!!</font>
good lord. am i the ONLY person on this
board who has EVER smoked marijuana???
or the only person brave enough to admit it??
its weed, for christ's sake! not baby killing!
now... on to alex's post....
while i appreciate your honesty and humble
disclaimer, you knew i was going to comment on
some of your statements, alex.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Originally posted by Super-8mm in the DigitalAge:
Pot smokers tend to create an inner world that in many instances revolves around their pot smoking.</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>
this is a reference to a tainted observance.
most of the introverted behaviors associated
with using marijuana are a direct result of it
being illegal. think back to prohibition...
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Originally posted by Super-8mm in the DigitalAge:
Usually the pot dosages increase over time to reach the desired feeling.</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>
this is incorrect (at least, in my experience).
i don't recall having to up from 1 joint to
5 an hour just to get the same effect.
as you stated, sure there may be different 'brands',
but you do not alter your intake simply because
you have built a 'tolerance' to your 'brand'.
thats absurd.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Originally posted by Super-8mm in the DigitalAge:
While I would agree that the overuse of alchohol is just as bad as regular use of marijuana. Studies actually show that a mild amount of wine, [blah blah blah] are actually good for your heart.</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>
nice use of propaganda. [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Originally posted by Super-8mm in the DigitalAge:
The biggest problem with the overuse of alcohol or marijuana is the person who drives a vehicle while under the influence. That is why we "police" against the abuse of alcohol and the use of marijuana.</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>
again, bravo for the propaganda.
did you not read my first post at all?
considering i'm the only person discussing
marijuana because i've USED it, i think i'm
inclined to know exactly what the effects are.
thank you! come again!
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You twisted a couple of my points around. I said nothing about brands. I simply said that differnt people have different "suppliers".
So associating with other pot smokers allows a "user" to compare their supply with others.
And my very last line summed everything up. The Banks are worried that pot smokers may either destroy their own newer car before it's paid for, or take their junker and destroy someone else's new car.
As for drinking, a DUI will cost the driver between $15,000 to $30,000 for the 7 years following a DUI. One way or another, it's about how to most effectively put money back into the corportocracy called America.
Big business is not as confident in marijuana's ability to do that the way alcohol does.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Originally posted by Super-8mm in the DigitalAge:
You twisted a couple of my points around. I said nothing about brands. I simply said that differnt people have different "suppliers".
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er........
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Originally posted by Super-8mm in the DigitalAge:
it's an opportunity to "test" other brands of pot to see if your contact is giving you the shaft.</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>
come again???
i didn't twist anything.
re-read your own words.
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a friend of mine smokes some weed, most of his flatmates do that too, and they do not do it to see how much their supply differs, seeing how they grow their own, but besides that, as far as i have observed they do it as a social gesture, just like with me and alcohol.
But i also knew one guy who used to use pot.. well.. daily. Meaning he was running around stoned every day, dropping him out of school, and turning him into the vaguest person ever. But then again, if you'd be drunk every day for several years, i'd love to see your brain.
With everything it's simple, too much is just bad, but if you choose to smoke weed once, what's the big problem? The only reason i haven't done it is because i still am somewhat afraid, that i might like it too much and that it might mess up my life, which is a risk i don't want to take yet.
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shatzy, i have come with the help you desired:
i smoked some marijuana a couple of weeks ago. (and zela, it had been nearly three years since the last time i had done it, so there is no need to worry about it ruining your life [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img] )
i used to be like most of the people here, talking about the evils of it without actually experiencing it--quick aside: does anyone know of a person that has done any drug (without becoming a "junkie") that speaks out against it?--but after doing it, i didn't see any harm in it. i wanted to do it again, but it did not become a desire that i could not control. to be honest, something that i found to be more addictive was sucking the gas out of whipped cream cans. that shit was good! but back to the topic at hand:
originally posted by some ill-informed jackass:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Pot smokers tend to create an inner world that in many instances revolves around their pot smoking.
The afternoon pot session was popular among some I knew when I was in college.
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this seems to be a typical complaint against all drugs--you just sit around doing nothing, wasting your life. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU DO WITH YOUR TIME THAT IS ANY BETTER? watch tv? play on the internet? play video games? watch a movie? go to church? go to work? read books? what would you consider to be a worth-while activity?
<font color="#ac0000" size="1">[ April 01, 2003 11:10 AM: Message edited by: Fibonacci ]</font>
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Being Creative. Creating rather than merely consuming.
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do i hear an echo?
In what way is nagging on a message board considered creative?
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agreed. agreed. agreed.
while i find it a typical and romantic response,
i highly doubt there is ANYTHING a person can
do that ISN'T considered 'consuming'....
secondly, i highly doubt that one can maintain
a level of 'creativity' to where its all they
do... as opposed to falling into the down-wind
of 'consumation'.
it seems alex is offering a paradox in a sense.
in other words: one cannot be creative if one
is consuming and vice versa.
this simply cannot be true.
how does one justify eating?
pumping gas?
taking a bath/shower?
turning on a light?
reading?
collecting a pay check?
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going back to what gnosis said:
i used weed every day of my life for several
years. i had no problem stopping when i decided
it was time to do so... and when i stopped,
i stopped. there were no binge periods where
i was climbing the walls for a sack... or a hit.
it was very easy to quit.
i also think that if some of the people on
this thread have or would ever TRY it...
they'd come back and read their words and
chuckle at how silly it all is.
i realize there is a lot of fear going into
what you've heard/seen your whole life...
you are programmed to fear it.
going with what zela said:
i know that there are some that allow marijuana
(or anything for that matter) to control their
lives to the point that they are (in essence)
withdrawn or closed from other social circumstances.
but, as i think zela would agree, it is their
choice to do so. there is a great self-reflection
associated with performing an action that
is derrived solely from your conscious choice.
many people would not understand that.
as much as i admire zela (and not just in the
SAY NO kinda way...) i know that what he is
thinking could become a problem for
someone else.
personally, i feel experience takes precedence
over heresay and rhetoric. =)
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awww thanks [img]smile.gif[/img]
(and as far as experience goes, i have a lot of experience by others, i mean, it's legal to use here, so there are enough people who use it occasionally. Heck, when i first moved into this flat, it turned out that the previous inhabitants had a little farm of their own going on just above the washing machine. And since they never paid their old bills, we sold their special lamp (they used this expensive special lamp to grow it under))
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I've smoked weed...I like it...alot of it depends on what kind of mood your in...a rowdy mood...drink...a more mellow mood...smoke weed...the only reason I don't do it more is because I don't smoke so therefore whenever I do it...my mouth and throat feel coated with thick mucus or something like that the next morning...I just hate the taste in my mouth the morning after...but if it's around...I'll do it...I would just rather go out and buy alcohol than weed...and plus if I'm busted with alcohol...it's no big deal...but if busted with weed, it could be a problem seeing as how it's against the law...
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That's one of the longest posts i have ever seen ek3 make
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not to mention... the most profound
*raises eyebrow*
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Originally posted by Fibonacci:
shatzy, i have come with the help you desired:
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Originally posted by Fibonacci:
i smoked some marijuana a couple of weeks ago. (and zela, it had been nearly three years since the last time i had done it, so there is no need to worry about it ruining your life.
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How can one define what is or isnt a 'ruined' life? It's all based on ones biased and relative perspectives toward a given situation. Given that everyone comes from different situations and past experiences, it is impossible.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Originally posted by Fibonacci:
this seems to be a typical complaint against all drugs--you just sit around doing nothing, wasting your life. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU DO WITH YOUR TIME THAT IS ANY BETTER? watch tv? play on the internet? play video games? watch a movie? go to church? go to work? read books? what would you consider to be a worth-while activity?
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It can obviously by debated as to what activities would be considered worth-while. Some would say smoking pot and some would say going to church would be be activities that they dont consider 'wasting' their time. Still others would argue that nothing in life can be considered worth-while and that every activity is futile. Judging whether or not any of the above listed activities is worth-while (while at the same time comparing it to the activity of smoking pot) is inane, in my opinion.
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Creating, Being Creative, rather than just consuming.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#000000"><font size=2 face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">Originally posted by shatzy:
bwahahahahahahah!!!
you are comparing marijuana to HEROIN?!?!?!
LMMFAO!!!
it figures.
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And what the heck is that?
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'that'.... alex....
is the epitome of your posts on this subject....
i.e.: clueless
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sorry shatz, alex is right.... *winks
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