Why doesn't this make sense?

I just dont understand how Jackson can post such BS!!! I would like to see this car hit that on any other dyno but theirs!

http://www.jacksonracing.com/pages/d...ages/typer.gif

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Mike Marsey
'98 ITR #0717
Supercharged!

welcome to the import market of marketing deception.

theres probably no exhaust on it, their dyno facility is air conditioned, they probably keep it cold too, and i think, there is all kinds of tricks, that wouldn't be considered modifications..........

Maybe they used H20 w/out specifying it, their correction factor looks on par though. So they've must of fiddled w/ the dyno #'s some otherway.

I hear they use high octane fuel which would allow for more aggressive tuning and a bit more power.

-Sil

Mike,

I prefer to call if fraud rather than false advertising. BTW, did you know that there is a part in the supercharger kit that was not included when they petitioned for CARB exemption? Lying to California Air Resource Board.....oh that'll get you into a whole heap of shit.


Marc

Actually that place doesn't have AC. The dyno is at the entrance of a small garage bay and the temp box is on a column at the entrance of the bay. But their numbers are still bullshit! I dynoed my 99 ex there and made only 131 hp and 116 ft/lb. JR claimed 140 hp and 122 ft/lb. 40% increase my ass!

They tuned the car for days, but ultimately the secret of all that power was kicking the printer at just the right moment.

No kidding, that center must be AC'd with that 62.6? F.

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HAWAIIAN BUILT...BUT
...STUCK IN L.A.

Mike,

Every dyno on that page is BS. Look at the SOHC charts. 144HP on a CRX?! When I was getting my kit installed I was talking to a guy at JR who had his kit put on his CRX about two weeks prior. He pulled 120's on the dyno with an intake and exhaust.

How about 142 on the SOHC VTEC kits. What a crock! When I had my kit installed I complained on the spot that my numbers were low. JR proceeded to show me all the dyno charts on record in the computer. Not one car pulled 140 to the wheels. Most were 130-135 HP. They are a bunch of liars.


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Marc
1997 Civic EX, Supercharged

Oh I know they lie! What I was trying to get at was, before they redid their site, they claimed 209.1whp on a stock type R. I later findout how to access their other dyno plots by removing a html code. In it showed a type R with 8psi producing 215.5whp. Now for some reason it shows on their new site as a stock type R! I will post a copy of the orginal dyno plot later tonight! Hahahaha

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Mike Marsey
'98 ITR #0717
Supercharged!

Mike,

As hard as you've worked to get over the 200whp mark, I'm convinced there isn't much truth to JR's dyno plots. I am one of the many that was led into believing that I could bolt on the blower and get the kind of numbers that JR claims. I'm almost afraid to dyno my car to find out the cold, hard truth. All in all, I'm happy I went FI, but I would have liked to have the facts given to me straight before I went down that road.

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Boost first...ask questions later.

I wonder how false advertising will work in this situation? Since I am already in contact with lawers regarding my police harassment case, I will see if Jackson can be screwed by this! http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smile.gif (Still looking for that plot. I know its around here somewhere)

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Mike Marsey
'98 ITR #0717
Supercharged!

Yeah, A friend of mine took his JRSC R to Jackson and had it installed. (He was one of the first JRSC type R's ('97) Anyway after they finished, they dyno'd his car. The dyno said it put out 210whp! When he drove back up to the bay area, he still wasn't convinced that his car felt powerful. So he took it to dynospot, and hit in the high 180's to low 190's! So he called JR, and they agreed to look at his car again. So he drove back down there to Westminister, CA. After acouple of days, they said somthing broke or came loose, and they agreed to fix it. They dyno'd his car again and he hit 209whp. So he drove back up here, and dyno'd it again. Yes once again he hit low 190's! And thats with H2O, intake, headers (mugen), exhaust (mugen), and many other insane mods.
Thats proof alone that JR BS's everything they do.
BTW-I'm still looking for that dyno plot. I know its around here somewhere.

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Mike Marsey
'98 ITR #0717
Supercharged!

Isn't it ironic that Oscar Jackson was a main source of information for an article in SCC last year entitled, "How to Lie with a Dyno".

He showed the author all kinds of tricks that people use to make before and after dyno's look like the tuner accomplished more than he really did.

Greg

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Holden:
Isn't it ironic that Oscar Jackson was a main source of information for an article in SCC last year entitled, "How to Lie with a Dyno".

He showed the author all kinds of tricks that people use to make before and after dyno's look like the tuner accomplished more than he really did.

Greg<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
lol, thats so true! Nice catch! http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/smile.gif



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Mike Marsey
'98 ITR #0717
Supercharged!

Mike - I see you are to coming to the light. I called BS on JR a few months back.......just after the web page change. Before the change the CRX(d16a6) was the only D-series to dyno above 140hp(around 145hp) and then after web change it dyno'd
http://www.supercharger.com/pages/de...ages/crx89.gif

Same with the D16z6. It did dyno 140hp and 120lbs-ft and now:
http://www.supercharger.com/pages/de.../95civicex.gif

I have no futher comment on the subject. Thank god I have you guys to swap info with. http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Marc: I don't know what issue. I just borrow those magazines and give them back to whomever.

It was the tech article of the month, you know, that one right in the begining by the guy with the white ITR?

Greg

Greg,

What issue of SCC was that article in? TIA.


Marc