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I was hoping I could get some opinions on a new rough demo of my band. I know all of you guys are top notch drummers and I think you could lend some good criticism to my playing and the composition of this song.
This is a demo of a song that will be on our next album with the working title "chord song"...
http://www.omni-music.com/mp3/Chordy1.mp3
I think the drums were done in 1 take, were unclicked and very loose, but purposefully so. We want the next album to have an organic sort of feel to it. Aside from a few fills that were semi-rushed/dragged lemme know if you have any other suggestions.
This is just drums/bass/guitar...no vocals yet.
Tanks!
-Willmer A.
Omni
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I love checking guys out from this board so if anyone else has something to post, please do!
Re: the tune, I personally have no criticism to offer at all. I think the drumming is sounds great!
I'd be VERY interested to hear this tune once the vocals are done. The "A" sections seem a little empty but I assume that's by design for the vocals.
"B" section is killer, love the open hat spashes.
Nicely done!
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Excellent Work Omni. I really enjoyed the space that you left. Your dynamics are really appropriate to the song's mood. I love the sound of your primaries (Kick, Snare, Hi-hat). But on occasion your first rack sounds a tad choked. It may have been your attack on a few of the hits, because it is not consistent through the tune that way. (By the way, I loved the fills at 1:13 and 1:23.) Look forward to hearing it when it has the vocal track. Keep up the good work.
F.S.
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I checked out your whole website Omni- well done. Nice recording you posted as well, you have a really good feel between the bass player and yourself. The first tom's weakness is only perceptible to a drummer's ear. I saw a couple of pictures where you had an older Sonor kit- why not record with that? I saw you were schooled at Berklee, when and how long? Was it worth it- if you can say so at this point in time?
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Well that Sonor kit was a studio kit which I don't own. I wish I could use something nicer but I don't have the funds...
About Berklee...I could go off on Berklee for an hour or so and I have to run to work so I will tell you about Berlee a little later.
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Very nice job Will. I am also interested to hear the final mix with the vocals. I pretty much agree with DeFields (of Gold) (sorry) [img]biggrin.gif[/img] on this one....great job all round. Keep it coming!
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Heheh...I agree completely with that first rack tom.
I am playing on an old 72 vistalite kit that has warbled bearing edges and goes out of une very easily. Man, the sweet spots on those drums are about the size of a pinhole and you really gotta whack them to bring out any sort of tone so i porlly missed it a bunch of times. I'd be nice to re-record the song on a decent set of toms but again it's only a demo.
Those things are a bitch to play on but a definite challenge. They do look badass though...
check the pics on omni-music.com.
http://www.omni-music.com/images/liv...arrcentral.jpg
here is a decent one
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ June 13, 2003 12:12 AM: Message edited by: Omnidrums ]</font>
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Hey Omni,
Great job! Really nice approach to the music. I love that you're doing "old school" hihat technique in a prog-rock tune during the A section. Well done!
Bass player like Jaco? [img]wink.gif[/img]
Danny
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Hey Omni,
I checked out your band's website and downloaded your drum solo video. You have really nice feel and dynamics! I love the Garibaldi/Gadd beat with the ghost notes. Great job! Keep it up!
Danny
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ June 13, 2003 03:45 PM: Message edited by: ladanny ]</font>
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Wow, I didn't think i was going to get so much positive feedback...
Thanks for all of the compliments.
That drum solo is like 1 and 1/2 years old, I wish I had a more stuctured and musical one to throw up on the site. We are recording a demo of about 3/4 of the material that will go on our new album...maybe I will send some more stuff this way.
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What tune is the riff playing in the background of the site from? Upcoming album or the one for sale on the site?
I really like those couple sections. guitar melody is cool.
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It's brand new stuff that will for sure be on the next album. We are recording these demo's early to let the songs grow before we hit the studio...we will also be playing a bunch of these songs live.
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Good job, Omni! Your time is really solid, and I like how you don't show a tendency to speed up during fills or slow down and have to catch up. Very tight!
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I agree w/ ever1 so far...enjoyed it... very tight, which is the way that playing is going nowadays... NICE PHRASINGS in there... if no clik [& i haven't "clocked it" [img]wink.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]eek.gif[/img] ] , then it sounds to me that u have a good bearing on the time...good stuff, keep it up... eventually u WILL have "the funds" [img]wink.gif[/img] ....
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ June 18, 2003 01:10 AM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>
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just got around to listening to it....besides all the drumming aspects and criticisms mentioned
I love the song!(i cant seem to get it out of my head), its a very simple prog metal song in structure(the 3 chord proggresion gets kinda boring especially in the second section with the arpeggiated motif and what not)im guessing there's an ispiration from Tool/King Crimson(in the heavyness perse and the little jazzy soloing seems very Opeth inspired!).One thing that surprised me is that our drumming contrasts everything the drummers in those respective bands(genre) do, killer control on the snare-the ghosting and triplets......and ofcourse killer bass playing(the harmonics ala Jaco and supporting the song NICE!)
looking forward to the cd dude [img]smile.gif[/img]
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ June 17, 2003 01:54 PM: Message edited by: Bozzio ]</font>
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Nice work Omni!! Very smooth and nice utilization of the dynamic range!
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Omni, please check your PM Inbox. Thanks.
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Derek, did you get my reply?
Anyway it said that the only song we have recorded right now is the one you already heard. I will post a bunch more as we complete them if you want to hear them.
Anyway, take it easy. -Will
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Nice stuff man. Keep up the great work.
Clint
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oh yeah, btw... i like the other players on there, too [see Boz's post]; but, IMHO, it's YOUR playing that makes that tune, Wil/Omni [img]wink.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img] ... hope your vocalist is killer [img]wink.gif[/img] ...
...& doesn't step on YOUR FILLS [img]tongue.gif[/img] ;=) :=D lol
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ June 19, 2003 11:58 AM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>
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Yeah man, those singers...always stepping all over the music with their "melodies" and such.
Actually the melody line changes the whole song so you have a choice of following the vocals alone or hooking on to the rhythmic chaos in the background. Very stange...I can't wait for you guys to hear it, you will probably be confused at first.
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so...omnidrums.....please tell us about berklee. good? bad?....worth it?
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Berklee...
Berklee for the most part is smelly bog of disgusting and filthy musicians, most of whom are the teachers, who don't know art from the memorization of scales, contrived grooves and cliche licks. The really dumb thing about the place is that you actually have to shell out money to have your art subject to be squashed by the opinions of their worthless staff...
No, I'm not bitter at Berklee as it brought me some great things and it was one of the most fun times of my life. First off I met Chris (Omni's bassist), one of very very few "true" musicians that I came across during my time spent there.
Second, I made a bunch of amazing people there, some of whom I still remain friends with. The crowd there is very laid back and open to all types of people, which was quite a different jump from high school.
Third, I studied with Mike Mangini through my entire Berklee career. Mike has such a talent for making the impossible seem simple, allowing anyone of any skill level to learn whatever they want in a short amount of time. His teachings have truely allowed me to play anything I desire almost automatically (it would be fully automatic if I practiced more...) and any artistic thought I may have now comes out effortlessly. At the very least if I wanted to play 5's in 13/8 time with my left hand then play a 7/8 ostinato with my feet and improv with my right hand I now know exactly what I would need to do to achieve my goal. There is no mystery on how to learn "stuff" anymore which is very encouraging but also very frustrating since I don't have enough time on the drums to be able to explore the boundaries...plus I don't really have the mental discipline to learn something as crazy and stupid as the reference above. He can also help your foot/hand speed/dexterity by giving you excercises that are extremely challenging but work better than anything else I've tried before. You can pretty much get anything out of him that you want as he pretty much knows how to teach it all "technically". Art, on the other hand is something very personal and in my opinion it is something that one has to discover themself.
As far as going to Berklee, it is a tough choice for me to recommend. I know people that are 100% confortable with Berklee and truly belong there. I know people that have left in 2 weeks because they hated it so much. Me? I went for 1 1/2 years and enjoyed most of it but I got everything I wanted to get out of it my first year. I got to play a show at the Berklee Performance Center as a first semester student, jammed with countless people, joined and left a pop rock band, and really worked my ass off. My third semester was stange...nobody was ever wanting to make an effort and I wasted most of my time there and meanwhile Omni was waiting for me in Seattle. If I had stayed at Berklee I may have succeeded but I doubt it would have been "right". Omni is what I've always wanted to do my whole life and I feel extremely lucky to have found it so young.
In short, Berklee is a place where you don't get attention unless you are a senior or fully sponsored and those people usually just have "chops"... thats about it. If you are interested in "chops" it's great! Otherwise Berklee is a great place for connections. You will always find a diamond in the rough if you look hard enough through the swamp of the cookie cutter teachers and students who worship them. You will most likely "right yourself", go back to your roots and discover what you want to get out of your music. You either support the crap that comes out of Berklee or completely regurgitate it and do your own thing. Also, teachers like Mangini make your time worthwhile but save yourself that extrea 25,000 dollars and get private lessons for 45 an hour!
If you decide to go keep an open mind but realize that Berklee is not the music industry and no matter how high you make it there it means absolutely nothing. You learn in classroom/daycare form how to do music the Berklee way...or you could just find your dream band and go out into the real world and do it yourself. It took me 1 1/2 years to make that desicion.
-Will
http://www.omni-music.com
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ June 21, 2003 11:31 PM: Message edited by: Omnidrums ]</font>
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Will,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts!!!
Keep up the great playing and keep us posted!
Danny
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Thanks for the info.
wot du mean about the crap that comes out of berklee? please explain.........
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When I say the "crap" I mean the music that comes out of Berklee. Have you heard any one of their sampler cd's??
