about now

A lot of people were gathering in line at some airport to get on planes thinking they were just living another day in life....

Why across the county other were just about to wake up and go to work in a life where they thought material things mattered most.

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The Towers remind us of Anger

but had I posted pix of everyone who lost their life that day 2 yrs ago.... would enough tears flow to fill this room?

Towers are material
Life is golden
Memories are forever

<font color="#ffffff" size="1">[ September 11, 2003 03:34 AM: Message edited by: Cyalaytr ]</font>

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Originally posted by Cyalaytr:
A lot of people were gathering in line at some airport to get on planes thinking they were just living another day in life....

Why across the county other were just about to wake up and go to work in a life where they thought material things mattered most.

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<font size="4" face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">yanno.... coming from a position in which all
i face each day is a type of nihilism you simply
cannot grasp without being there....

sometimes being oblivious is a good thing...
just like being materialistic

i hope this will be all i have to say on it
(without giving more detail)

no matter where you think you are or where you think you will end up...

this is free space to be you... just cause you view life different or maybe skewed from my view point I would never cast you off and not listen to your words. [img]confused.gif[/img]

[img]graemlins/broken_heart.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/cry.gif[/img]

that really meant alot, cya

I mean it! And just hope (as I know people think I am a bit off the ol rocker) that they walk a mile in my race boots before they judge me.

If I could see with your eyes Shatzy I could see a word of pain, and a world of laffs all at the same time. I may not understand it all but given time I can learn. Seeing your laff in the TG SHATZY video beems light of a happy happy person. But when you speak of nihilism you cast a dark shadow that makes it hard to see the real you. [img]confused.gif[/img]

*sniffles*

that branson excursion was great therapy for me...
(even though tg wasn't aware of it)....

i think the greater gift right now is the fact
that someone is telling me that they acknowledge
my problem -- not that they may understand it...
but just that they ackowledge it.

from where i'm standing mentally, i'm not sure
how that helps... but it does.

i suppose that seeing this topic and viewing
the pic (which i love)... and remembering the
occurance.... coupled with whats going on inside
me... and still being here and seeing everyone
making absolute motions in recognition of life
and all there is....


i just cried

*wants to give shatzy a big hug*

....and cya for that matter...

http://www.puffs.com/products/images...ct_landing.jpg .... whipes you eyes.

I am glad TG took you away from us. You could see the happiness in your face in the video and feel it when you got back.

I'm a big big guy and I dont think I have cried excpet maybe 3 times since I was a kid and when the towers went down that was one of them when they showed the memorial.

Another was for Princess Diana.

Some tears are good. They say knowledge is power.. but more so I think what you do with that power. Alison you are waaaaaaaaay to smart to let anything beat you down. If you need to get away from it all .. put a note on the door "GONE FISHIN, grab the video cam and tell that TG to come get his woman and take her away for awhile and live some life. I bitch cause sometimes I don't have all the answers to life. I think you have all the answers yet need to go live wild and free for awhile and maybe those answers and thoughts will leave your head when you see the sites and flowers, and lil kids laughing.

[img]graemlins/cell.gif[/img] TG [img]graemlins/car.gif[/img] away 2 weeks.... come back [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

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Originally posted by Babi BootifuL:
....and cya for that matter...

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<font size="4" face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">THX Babi... [img]wink.gif[/img] Everyone needs a big hug some days including Shatzy and myself.

yeh... i never cry.... ever...


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Shatz is good dynamic stuff.. my instinct just says so.... like a multifaceted diamond on one side.... and the raw gem.... in a natural setting in another light......


and when youre dynamic..it's so hard to just be yourself..somedays...


but we wouldn't have you any other way....

i can't post on tthat... 9/11 stuff for some reason...nothing comes out my fingers....


that......... feels odd to me

Why.. it isnt like we should know what to feel. The usa doesnt get many big events like that that effect so many people at once.

Why should the WTC attacks affect us more than a bombing in Israel?

Are those people less important?

huh?

look for the "free" video memorial. pretty touching if you watch it all.. click click

Again, why no memorial videos of those getting blown to pieces in other countries?

What about the ones killed at the US Embassy in Kenya a few years ago? No one seems to give a damn about them. Hell....99% of the people on the street wouldnt even know what year it happened. Why isnt the loss of those Americans cared about?

I watched a little bit of 60 minutes last night and they were talking about this shit like no one had ever died before in the history of the world.

I find other aspects of September 11 MUCH more interesting than the loss of life. It happened to show an angle of the crash that I had not seen before on that show last night. It showed the first plane hitting the building head on. It was quite a site. Can you imagine piloting that thing over a city like that right into the building?

The buildings themselves...incredible designs yet changed forever in a few seconds.

Hmm...tangent, sorry.


I guess here is my point...if everyone wants to get all sad and "remember" the victims...why only do it on the says surrounding Sept. 11? How bout having a moment of silence for them on March 21 if you care so much? Why not shed a few tears at the end of October? And lastly, on this 11th day of September, think of the millions of people that have lived on this earth and had much more horrific deaths that those people two years ago.
I'm not saying that jumping from a building or being burned to death is a good way to go, by any means....but some have had it much worse.

Do you know how much money is going into memorials? How much money is going and has gone to bury the victims? I've heard estimates that each family will recieve 1.4 million to bury their loved ones! 1.4 million dollars!

Do you know how much you could do with that money to help LIVING Americans in this country? People are starving, children are being abused but we have no days of rememberance for them.

Ok I'm done....

I dont' know if TG is being a butthole or not here...i'm not catching the sarcasm, but i'm going to agree whole heartedly with him.....

dc....

thank you [img]graemlins/rose.gif[/img]

someone once described me as a lampshade (don't laugh!)

one side in the light... the other faces the dark

it was the only time in my life that i felt
like that was spot on....

until just now

I was talking to someone today about the whole deal and it bothers me so much to see how they have all become martyrs...they did nothing but go to work...that's it...all the fireman who went in...risking their lives...IT WAS THEIR JOB...if they knew the buildings were gonna collapse...I bet the number would have been much lower...secondly...I have a very hard time feeling sorry for these people that I didn't even know...who knows what kinda dark secrets these people held...I saw a kid holding a picture of her 'daddy' up...saying how he is an angel and he will be missed...and I couldn't help but think...I wonder how many of these daddies were fucking their secretaries when it happened...or how many of them called their mistresses to tell them they loved them b4 calling their wives...how many pedophiles we praise every 9/11 because he died going to his 6 figure job in his 6 figure car...wearing his 4 figure suit...I wish I could just go into hibernation the whole month of September...this shit gets on my nerves...

TG... run over there with a video camera and film it and maybe someone would watch it. It is media drive and politics that keep it off your tv. Not that people dont care... more like the higher up powers are controling us like children deciding who and what we watch like a menu in a resturant. People over there morn I am sure like we morn here.

EK3.. if it bugs you so much then why keep watching it? I am sure you have enough movie to rent a DVD.

nah... he plays video games [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]cool.gif[/img]

nope just closer geographically speaking.. who do those bombings bug you as well?

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EK3.. if it bugs you so much then why keep watching it? I am sure you have enough movie to rent a DVD.

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<font size="4" face="Tempus Sans ITC, Tahoma">I don't but you cannot avoid it totally...you can't watch anything on TV w/o hearing something about some tribute or how they are gonna talk to some survivors, or some correspondent to the Middle East...9/11 has become a vacatuib for the broadcasting department in every TV station across the country...they have their line up set in stone for a while now...

I dont wear tampons, I dont buy tampons but yet I am forced to watch the Tv commercials, hear the ads, see them in magazines blaa blaa blaa Dont they know half of the world isnt of the female type? Why do they Subject the WHOLE WORLD to something non of the men care to see huh? You know how many men could have a beer or buy a new toy for the hot rod with the money saved from broadcasting to the Whole Freekin Planet about your day with Aunt Flow?

Oh sorry side tanget what were you two talking about again?

My whole point was don't treat these people as if they are martyr's when we know nothing about them...I don't care about these people don't try to spoon feed me the fact that they are heroes...we don't know what was going through their heads or what kind of people they were...and I believe you followed it with don't watch it...

i agree that *we* (as humans) have the tendency
to capapult victims of a henious crime into
matryrdom.... hell, it doesn't even have to be
a victim of a henious crime.

i understand (i think) that wes is saying that
we should keep a certain perspective towards the
victims.... maybe not consider them 'untouchable
angels' or something like that... but just
acknowledge the fact that they were victims of
a henious crime and leave it at that.

*we* (as humans) have a desperate need to pedestalize
people who have lost their lives *prematurely*
without any true cause of their own.... this is
true of alot of celebrities that have died in
*accidential* ways (plane crashes, assassinations,
etc).... we feel the need to 'give them' some
mental *apology* on behalf of the rest of the
human race -- that we are sorry we have propigated
such devils as those capable of taking the lives
of others.

in a recent parallel, john ritter will never
achieve the same *death* status as john denver...
simply because john denver was an 'accidental'
death.

but this is all typical based on human psyche
justifications...... so its not really worth its
weight in gold. just one idea surfacing over another.

incidentally, jason and i were discussing a
similar angle last night in regards to the victims
of the 9/11 attacks.....

in which i felt that out of everyone, the *true*
victims were the passengers on the airplanes....
as they were surely aware of their deaths coming...
while everyone else was just oblivious.

and as for the tampon comment.....
LMMFAO! what a great analogy [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]