Should all terrorists be given death penalty?
Post your opinions.
<font color="#101010" size="1">[ March 11, 2004 08:20 AM: Message edited by: -Wiseman- ]</font>
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Should all terrorists be given death penalty?
Post your opinions.
<font color="#101010" size="1">[ March 11, 2004 08:20 AM: Message edited by: -Wiseman- ]</font>
I think terrorists should be executed. They do not deserve to have what they take apart. I'll refer to my ideas in the death penalty thread (like: don't say the State cannot kill killers becuase it keeps kidnappers captive).
Everybody is furious, and many are saying that eta members deserve no life. And I ask this: isn't democracy doing what the people wants? Why not applying it now? Or is this a false democracy, only democratic when gheys agree?
We cant afford to be sympathetic towards these people. I agree, they should be killed. Back in the 60's or 70's, my dad told me that you could live life without a single fear of terrorism, it quite simply didnt exist. Most probably because the world was in a state of shock after the World war's, and so they opted for an unwritten mutual peace.
Nowadays, people have forgotten the war, and times of suffering, and so terrorism has arisen from all sorts of cults and religious sects.
Dramatic measures must solve these dramatic threats.
Two wrongs make a right. Who-ever says otherwise wont live a very happy life, because whilst it applies to some cases, this is certainly not one of them. We must scare these terrorists by any means possible. If it means killing them, then its worth it. We cant afford to suffer a world of terrorism. The longer we leave it, the more it'll escalate, which will lead back to times of war.
The problem is, there are those who would gladly sacrifice their lives to achieve what they want, and therefore cant be punished. Its these same people that show that terrorism is effective in doing exactly what its setting out to do: spreading terror. The 9/11 incident made example of this, and so other terrorist groups will follow the same road.
It is possible that current occurances in Spain show that they are conforming to this set example, by choosing the 11th to attack, which in turn shows that they deemed 9/11 to be successful. Its such a shame that its turning out like this.
The only way to solve this matter is to set our own example, to show terrorism doesnt work. Its going to have to be as harsh as possible: kill them.
<font color="#101010" size="1">[ March 11, 2004 07:12 PM: Message edited by: Cataferal ]</font>
Definetly kill the fuckers. Preferably after a few days of torture and interrogation.
There is no going back for these terrorists, they are all irrecoverably mentally ill. If they arent, then they'll soon be seen to by their peers. Its a waste of life as it is, but their sacrifice is worth it save save many others, this is the only solution.
However, the government's in place that suffer terrorism wont change their policies on the death sentence any time soon. Riots will change this though, as will the constant threat of a follow-up attack. People are enraged enough to make it change.
It doesnt matter how, through killing them or making them to suffer horrific torture, its got to humiliate terrorists, and make them seem weak and useless. And this has to be conveyed to every terrorist group on the globe somehow. Its very hard to do.
Televising it would be sick, but its the only way i can think of that would convey images and sounds of dying terrorists globally.
In fact, i absolutely abhor that idea. There would be no gaurantee that terrorists would even see it if it were televised. Nevertheless, if they did see it, they would definately be put off, and thats the only way, in my eyes, that the global terrorism could be destroyed.
What an extremist view...
<font color="#101010" size="1">[ March 11, 2004 07:53 PM: Message edited by: Cataferal ]</font>
Yes they should. Global broadcast of their torture should be aired once and only once though.
IRT Cataferal:
We must scare these terrorists by any means possible. If it means killing them, then its worth it. We cant afford to suffer a world of terrorism. The longer we leave it, the more it'll escalate, which will lead back to times of war.
I agree. If things keep going in this direction, we'll end up having a third world war between the civilized countries and the islamic countries and a few random supporters. Then France would get invaded by morocco =) . Or maybe the Germans take it, just to remember the old times.
The problem is, there are those who would gladly sacrifice their lives to achieve what they want
Exactly. I know eta would pee their pants (actually, they DID pee their pants two times recently when caught! lol), but fundamentalists are completely insane. They won't mind getting killed, maybe they even enjoy it thinking allah will grant them an extra goat in heaven. They'll even think they cause is fairer because they get killed for it. That's why islamic terrorism is the real scary one.
It is possible that current occurances in Spain show that they are conforming to this set example, by choosing the 11th to attack
Next 11th I'm visiting my uncles in some lost town in Asturies, without any kind of public transport and no building higher than 2 floors >_>; .
On showing terrorists that stuff: actually, similar techniques were used in WW2 to demoralize the opponent's population. Maybe it should be given a try, but sending them records would be better as you don't have to show it to everybody (besides, lots of people would oppose that).
I also think a very important way to fight terrorism is to cut everything it gets money and power from. Dismantle governments that support them; ban organizations and parties that support them; destroy all their resources; prevent them from getting any money from any organization; etc., and manipulate the public opinion (education, media) so that they will less likely support them. Using the intelligence services to make them look bad and monstruous could help with this last one.
And some kinds of terrorism, particularly fundamentalism, feed on religion. Attacking the religion they feed on will surely weaken them.
how about public stonings? ... ... that would be fun to see well ... i wouldnt see i hate that stuff, but its what they deserve
While i'm all up for killing current terrorists, i feel more focus should be placed into preventing young people from seeing terrorism as the answer. The problem is the greed in some western countries (no names), unwilling to help out other countries for their own gain. The world's governments need to work more closely together. Once there is cooperation between governments, aid can be given out much easier. The rich can help the poor become rich. Once that happens, the world's economy improves and everyone gets happier. Quailty of life will improve and very few will take up arms.
The only people whom this won't work for are extreme tradtionalists (including fundamentalism) and lazy fucks.
yea thats a good idea, prevent terrorists from recruiting ppl... but there are always gonna be ppl that have their own twisted and wrong opinions on the view of the world
We should keep those people in a institution also, then. :-p
But the larger problems are from the extremists. And if they're willing to suicide, or kill 1000s of people, then no amount of prevention will keep those psychopaths from doing it.
a good bullet to the head is always the cure lmaoz
Colonize on a fresh new planet, leaving the terrorists behind, and then nuke the Earth. Perhaps this is something to consider as our endeavours in space become more successful, because this would work.
Wouldn't the fundamentalists have a major fit about that? Nuking the Earth and all... What abotu all the good memories for humanity on Earth? Like our first inventions, our first language, the firsts fraternity prank.. and so on... Lots of memories for us humans here..
i dount that planet is anywhere as good as earth... lolz
And why wouldn't it be? It could end up as good as Earth, with differences in the environment, except we wouldn't have th e pollution of the water, the hole in the ozone, the pollution of the air... the only thing that'd be missing is th enative animals, which if we could colonize a new world, we could create living habitats large enought o simulate their original (IE: A giant lake, large enough for whales, dolphins, and sharks and such to live in)
i say shoot the terrorists, than send the bill for the bullet and labor, etc. that went into the execution to their families...i really dont know...im all for world peace (if the world was peaceful, i could take the world over with a butter knife), but i think that we should not only make the terrorists suffer, but also their families, countries and whatever else they hold dear...even though they are fanatics and extremists, they are also human...
we wont have that kind of technology for a long time, terraforming is not viable right now especialy with the ENOURMOUS cost! the only way terraforming is in any way possible is if its totally necessary for humanity to survive, and i doubt thats gonna happen anytime soon... well unless some moron decides nukes are the answer to a global dispute, assholes lolz i hate nukes
besides its proven that ALL those problems u mentioned can be naturally healed by the earth itself in time, we just dont give the planet a chance with our continued polluting, burning, raping of land (stripping things away to make room for civilization, its just how i see it), and overuse of natural resources etc.etc.etc.
and why should we go to another planet to do the same, what are we to become viruses of the universe going from planet to planet using up the resources and ruining it with our carelesness only to move on to do the same with another, bah
lolz i say this is our home and we should keep it that way [img]cool.gif[/img]
IRT YK:
if the world was peaceful, i could take the world over with a butter knife
Lol, that's the spirit!
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I wouldn't abandon this planet; the Earth is nice and beautiful, it's people what make it horrible. I would colonize other planets, but there's no reason to waste this nice planet.
What we should do is to get rid of all the scum. And a good way of doing this would be to end with islam and all religions fundamentalism.
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I think we should kick all the muslims out of Spain, as Queen Elizabeth of Castile and King Ferdinand of Aragon did back in 1492. They should not be living here, tainting our culture with their barbarian, inhuman customs, and killing our people.
I say get rid of the Christians in America, too.
Especially the Bushes.
Just get rid of the Bushes, period..
so u want to kick me outta the country? u jackass [img]mad.gif[/img]
oh yea? ur plastic knife couldnt stand vs my spork! PH34R!
I'd conquer the world with my wang
that's why I wanted to become a porn actor, lol
killing terrorists would be sympathetic to them. they want to die, they think they're getting 50 virigns when they die(like that many exists this day and age). you want to punish them, and that is what you would want to do, put them in life term prison cells with rapists.
as for lack of terroit attacks up until 9/11 you can thank general stonewall jackson(i believe that was his name) for that. he was a general in ww1 where terrorist attacks were often occuring at the time. so what he did was, they can't so much as look at a pig let alone see it killed or something, because that negates their virgins so.. he tied 50 of em up, forced them to watch the slaughter of a pig, dipped bullets in the pigs blood and shot 49 of em and let the 50th go. took em almost 70 years to build the balls to do 9/11 after that.
p.s. origanlly posted this in the wrong topic, the previous/next buttons are in a shitty spot(just thought it went insanely off topic on the 2nd page [img]tongue.gif[/img] ).
Uhm... a lot of that last post didn't quite add up... Stonewall Jackson was a general in the Civil war which didn't involve fundamentalist terrorism. WWI's only terrorism involved tunneling under citizen and/or millitary bases and detonating explosives in addition to the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand, but yes, there was fundamentalist terrorism too.. As for the tying up the terrorists and shooting pigs, whats that supposed to mean? I mean this in the nicest way possible, so please don't be mad with me.
Yes, I know it's not wise to kill them quickly as they won't suffer, it's just that I can't help but want to guillotine these bastards. I'd be fine if they are jailed with rapists, as long as they get ass raped and beaten on a daily basis.
That's so bad and monstrous for the pig though, I'd rather show them pr0n pics of unveiled women, make sure they never see a camel cock again, pee on the koran, and torture them while screaming, "allah, dude, please do something, I'm torturing your terrorist lambs!".
Hmmm.. I've got mixed feelings. I think that terrorists should be imprisoned and forced to answer for their crimes, but I'm against the torture. Torture is a tool used BY the terrorists to get what they want. Also, torture is illegal in the world community last time I checked, right? As much as I'd like to see some of these scum be raped by pigs and camels and such, torture is still torture. Here is what I think would be the greatest punishment of all.
LOCK THEM AWAY AND TREAT THEM CAREFULLY AND KEEP THEM ALIVE FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE SO THEY CAN THINK ABOUT THEIR CRIME
You could always make them watch lesbian pr0n, then gay pr0n, then some weird shit.
that would be hilarious
Dolphin pr0n! Then some S&M. That would really piss them off.
IRT CBA: But what if you catch a terrorist and he says he has 10 bombs in different places which are to explode in 3 hours, but he's not telling where are them and they will surely kill 10 to 100 people. What would you do? I wouldn't hesitate to torture the terrorist to get the info I need and save 10 to 100 lives; just one life is more worthy than any terrorist. (And that's a worst case example; IMO, a bird is more worthy of life than the whole al queerda.)
IRT N, OCB: What would really piss them off is BDSM pr0n where an unveiled woman dominates an arab guy with a towel in his head.
Information extracted under torture is notoriously inaccurate. Instead of spending time to torture him to get the info, go find the bombs using everything you can. Because in his mind, he is conditioned to be tortured.
Also, why would the BDSM stuff get them mad?
Not all Islamic extremists are fundamentalists.
SOME(I'm pretty sure.) are KIND OF progressive.
Would BDSM really get them to be tortured?
Information extracted under torture is notoriously inaccurate. Instead of spending time to torture him to get the info, go find the bombs using everything you can. Because in his mind, he is conditioned to be tortured.
I would do both. I could still get very valuable hints torturing a terrorist.
Also, why would the BDSM stuff get them mad?
Female domination would be one of the worst offenses to those sick sexist bastards.
Not all Islamic extremists are fundamentalists.
Fundamentalism, "A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles". If that's not extreme, then tell me what it is.
islamic fundamentalism = islamic extremism = islamic terrorism = terrorism anyways.
SOME(I'm pretty sure.) are KIND OF progressive.
Progressiveness in a muslim means he doesn't force his woman/en to wear a dark veil; the veil may be white or brown as they prefer, and they get beaten a 35% less.
Would BDSM really get them to be tortured?
I'm sure it would be a psychological torture to show a woman dominating a muslim fundamentalist. To muslims, women are inferior and belong to them, and to fundamentalists, women's place is somewhere south of shit.
like i said i didn't know the guys name, not like i payed attention in shool. but he tied 50 terrorists up, forced them to watch the slaughter of a pig, soaked bullets with the pigs blood and shot all but 1 of them with the blood soaked bullets. it's part of their religion that they can't so much as look upon a pig for whatever reason.
Hmm... A great disadvantage of fundamentalist terrorism is that they are willing to give their lives for allah or some other ghod, because they are promised sex slaves or something, and they are as fanatic and evil as to kill themselves just to cause harm to the world and kill more people. And they will be more resistent to torture and death penalty. But I see an important advantage is they are so fanatic if you do something sacrilegious to them, they'll go crazy and develop a trauma for some stupid reason. We should try to play with this in our benefit. Come to think of it, maybe one of the reasons why they hate us is that in our culture, women and men are equally as important and have the same rights. They must think OMG- er, "OMA, OMA, they treat slaves like... like men! OMAWTF"
"Oh my Allah"?
Intersting, sounds catchy too.. Lets try it out..
"OMFA, this milk is one day over the expiration date, throw..it...out!!"
I like it...
"OMFA you just erased my hardrive, you are SO not my roommate anymore!"
I love it.
ah the 70-something virgins, they live their lives horribly and repressed and discriminated only to go to heaven.... to become sex slaves to psycho terrorist bastard murderers great ideology dumb fucks lmao
You are right there, but Afghanistan(Which is currently in political turmoil despite what the media tells you) they have I think 60% of all the girls going to school. They also have no oppressive regime telling them what they can and can't do, I think this is a good thing.