very OT, but I'm watching it while here so...

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March 29th, 2004, 05:22 PM
chaserfan

watching this trial stuff on court tv. this lady smashed her 3 little boys heads with rocks in Tyler Tx. two died, one is messed up forever. She blames God as telling her to do this. I really dont get the idea that God would tell you to do this if God were "loving" like its supposed to be. It really freaks me out when people use god as telling them to do something like that. I dont care if God was standing right in front of me and told me to do that to my kids. I'd tell god to fuck off before I'd ever do that to my kids. dont get the concept at all.

just freaks me out a little sitting here listening to this and here I bitch about not finding a toy? I'd give all the toys that I got if I could have killed that bitch before she could have smashed her kids heads in.

sorry this is so off topic, just really struck a nerve.
March 29th, 2004, 05:25 PM
DemonsAngel

oh i totally agree with you, it takes a real fucked up individual to do something like that! [img]mad.gif[/img]
March 29th, 2004, 05:29 PM
chaserfan

even if youre nuts and think god is talking to you, wouldnt you think to tell god to fuck off? that youre not hurting your kids? how come no one ever tells god no? they go for it and then are sorry afterwards. why dont they continue to think god is telling them something afterwards?

I deal with people with mental, paranoid, severly disturbed problems and it just freaks me out how many use religion.
March 29th, 2004, 05:32 PM
toymank

yea, that just sounds fucking stupid, I mean, people abuse "God told me to" way too much, this bitch should have her head smashed in
March 29th, 2004, 05:35 PM
DARTH POOH

As a believer in God and a Christian man this makes me so damned sick..I so tire of people
saying "God told me to"..or even "The devil told me to" The only thing that "told them to" do this is the twisted wiring in thier brain.
I would have wished I could have given her back to God before she had a chance to do this. [img]frown.gif[/img]
March 29th, 2004, 05:35 PM
DemonsAngel

yep they should smash her fucking head in and then say well god told me to...., i get so sick of people using that for an excuse!
March 29th, 2004, 05:46 PM
chaserfan

I just dont understand like this broad thought for years the world was coming to the end, people were following her and god told her this and that about the end coming and she still decided to have kids? if you think the end is coming and things are so horrible...why have kids?
also appeartantly god told her the end was coming, so she cleaned the house and made sure there was no dirty dishes before killing the kids.
I just dont get that even....EVEN IF you "heard" god telling you to kill your kids you wouldnt question god and tell him no.
March 29th, 2004, 05:55 PM
DemonsAngel

i'm with you i would tell god to fuck off!!
March 29th, 2004, 06:02 PM
DARTH POOH

There's not much to "get". If this woman believed "God told her to" she obviously believes in a very punitive sick God. I know that if "God told me to" kill my kids, I would also know that it was NOT God at all, and I had better seek help...REAL DAMNED FAST!
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March 29th, 2004, 06:03 PM
chaserfan

I also wonder why god didnt tell her to kill herself also? dont you think if god wanted the kids killed that he'd want her to join them? strange stuff and very sad. all while the dad slept in the house.
March 29th, 2004, 06:13 PM
-megalithanod

I call it the Fallwell defense.

Mention God, and some church is going to give you the support you want.

It is a shame that mental illness can't be determined and cured like a simple dermitological problem. But unfortunately, it is something that is always hidden beneasth the surface and only really can be determined until it is most times too late.
March 29th, 2004, 06:19 PM
chaserfan

actually I do believe that her brother in law or something is a pastur at some church there and they are supporting her. I think she has to be insane to have done this to a degree, but I think she knew right from wrong since she called 911 and turned herself in right afterwards. she also never mentioned god when the cops showed up. just that she couldnt go out to the scene, that she couldnt take seeing what she'd done. sounds like the god defense just kind of left for a bit right after the crime.

I just hope that if she gets away with insanity, that she doesnt just walk free after they think she is stable again and I believe they said that is possible if not covicted of murder.
March 29th, 2004, 06:25 PM
DARTH POOH

"Fallwell defense"
That's a very appropriate term Megalith... This is
yet another horror story of the type that seems to be all too commonplace these days. [img]frown.gif[/img]
March 29th, 2004, 06:28 PM
-megalithanod

Yes, and it is a shame.

Do what you want - repent a little, then continue on with life as normal. I have run into way to many of them in my rather short life already.

I have my beliefs, and I believe that actions are louder than any words.

I always remember the bully that would smack kids on the playground and then yell "kidding!" to make it sound like it was an accident to the teachers. Same thing on grown up levels here i feel.
March 29th, 2004, 06:41 PM
chaserfan

another thing that I was thinking is how horrible a way for those little boys to die. she actually told them to lay their heads on a rock and then smashed them with another. they had no reason not to listen to what mommy was telling them. they always complain about guns being a major problem, but look at this case. she used rocks. big kid, big rock and so on. something she had in the garden for decoration.

I cannot imagine the horror of the father when the police showed up and woke him up with the news he had gotten up when the fist baby in the crib was hit and started crying but the mother said she was changing a diaper and all was fine (why would she have lied? god told her elseways right?) Father went back to bed and she left the little one in a crib not dead, but very messed up. then took the other two out to the garden one at a time and killed them.

I dont care if the bitch is nuts or not, I hope someone in the jail or where ever she ends up kills her for this.
March 29th, 2004, 07:06 PM
DemonsAngel

that has got to be the most fucked up thing ever!!! how is the husband reacting to all of this?
March 29th, 2004, 07:15 PM
chaserfan

I was wondering that too, but as of yet they havent said anything about the father. the case started today and the opening arguments were the only thing they've shown so far so dont know if the husband is supporting her or not. I hope not. I know they said the fist witness, a cop that was first on scene, actually broke down cring on the stand this morning. usually cops can do alright on the stand, but appearantly when they showed the scene photos it got to him all over again.

I know I've been in charge of an ems scene where the mother tried to kill both kids and herself. we saved the little girl but not the mother and son and it really messed with my mind for a while. in fact I was the one working the little girl and when she told me her name I heard it as the same name as my daughter. when I wrote out the report, it wasnt even close! she lived, but cried for mommy all the way to the hosp with a bullet hole through her chest and out her back. if the mother woulndt have been dead, ....hell I dont know what I would have done
March 29th, 2004, 07:24 PM
DemonsAngel

DAMN i don't see how you do it!!! i would probably be in jail by now!
March 29th, 2004, 07:27 PM
toymank

man, that's crazy, a little other tidbits I want to mention, I belive it happened yesterday, a mother was doing something with a shotgun (I say something, for lack of a better word, cleaning, testing, whatever) when it 'accidentally" went off and killed her 1 year old, it could have been accidental, but I mean, just relating it to the gun control thing and other points in this thread

It just makes you wonder, what was the family like, why would the mother do it? And it makes me wonder about my family, or any family, and why something like this would happen...

If she can comprhend to make up a story to cover it up from her husband, I think she's competent enough to lie about "god telling her to do it"
March 29th, 2004, 07:30 PM
chaserfan

I've had some really bad calls, in fact I'm known for having the worst luck and getting the dying kids on calls, and at that moment youre so focused on trying to save the kid you dont have time to do something. on the mother that shot the kids and herself, we thought they were all dead in the same room. made me want to just stomp the dead bitch on the floor, but then someone said "brian, this ones alive" and I had to go to work. no time to think anything but save the kid at that point. at least the mother was dead.

I've had other calls that suck like this if not worse involving kids let alone all the adult ones I've been on. and I dont know how many times, I've heard someone blame god or the devil for what they've done. Makes me sick.
March 29th, 2004, 07:34 PM
chaserfan

yeah the fact that she told her husband everything was find to go back to bed, makes you think she's just a liar

they're showing the rocks right now. the big one was 16 lbs that she used on the oldest boy. then a 10lb on the smaller and a 3 1/2lb one on the baby.

she's on the 911 tape just as calm as can be. says she just did what she had to do, that she did what she was chosen to do by god.

I wish they'd let me have at her with a rock. she'd be "with god" pretty damn quick
March 29th, 2004, 07:36 PM
DemonsAngel

ew i bet you have encountered some of the most fucked up shit i can imagine!! like i said i don't see how you do it
March 29th, 2004, 07:39 PM
chaserfan

its a job
March 29th, 2004, 08:00 PM
Tortricidae

there are some really fucked up people in this world. Of all the terrible things out there that I hear about on the news, the stories about children being killed are what get to me the most. Especially when it's a parent that did the killing. What kind of monster kills a little child? How could someone do that to their own kids?

and what's really scary is that just anyone can have kids. psychos, abusers, molesters..anyone. there's no way of preventing someone who is unfit to have and raise children from fathering/giving birth to them. not until they've done something like this, get caught, and end up in prison or a mental home. not until they've done the damage already.
March 29th, 2004, 08:05 PM
Tortricidae

Quote:

Originally posted by chaserfan:
its a job

you're a fireman, right chaser? that really must be a rough job..but you do what you have to.

my dad worked a lot of different jobs when he and my mom were first married, and when my sister and I were really young. for a time, he was a diver/volunteer fireman for one of the fire departments in florida, pulling bodies out of the canals. I really don't know how he did it, especially as he has the weakest stomach I've ever seen. he can't deal with dead animals..I don't see how he managed to deal with dead people.
March 29th, 2004, 08:11 PM
chaserfan

we've got "regulars" people that abuse the 911 system with the ambulance and some of them have had the state take away their children everytime they have them. they take one away, the person has another and it goes on and on.

you wouldnt believe some of the awful things I've seen done to children. its sad as hell. we try and give our kids the best we can and some try and make their lives hell. I think thats why its such a big deal when we do the toy drive. at least you might be able to give something back and make a kids day brighter for a bit. its just amazing some of the things they're put through.

probably shouldnt have posted this here, but when you think of toys, you think of kids and this just bothered me when I saw it. here we think of the small things like finding toys and getting aggrivated and stuff and there are idiots out there doing this to kids. not that we can change it or shouldnt have the right to gripe about the small things, but maybe it'll keep things in perspective a bit.

and if I never had to see another dead or dying kid in my life it would be too soon!
March 29th, 2004, 08:15 PM
chaserfan

Quote:

Originally posted by Tortricidae:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by chaserfan:
its a job

you're a fireman, right chaser? that really must be a rough job..but you do what you have to.

my dad worked a lot of different jobs when he and my mom were first married, and when my sister and I were really young. for a time, he was a diver/volunteer fireman for one of the fire departments in florida, pulling bodies out of the canals. I really don't know how he did it, especially as he has the weakest stomach I've ever seen. he can't deal with dead animals..I don't see how he managed to deal with dead people.<hr /></blockquote>firefighter paramedic. so like on that little girl that was shot, it was me they handed her to and said "she's alive". then it was get the gears into motion and go. I'm really burned out on the job after so many years of seeing really rotten stuff. the firefighting part is always kind of fun because you dont fight all that many all the time. with the medicine side of it though, there's always something going on medically.
March 30th, 2004, 02:45 AM
Peter Peeker

God told me to rell you all that I love you. [img]biggrin.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
March 30th, 2004, 02:55 AM
chaserfan

*sits pondering what Satan is telling him to say back*