Hey folks!
Check out the two videos of Dennis! Amazing stuff. tight and funky!
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Hey folks!
Check out the two videos of Dennis! Amazing stuff. tight and funky!
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Thanks for the link Mathias! Haha, what he only does with that shuffle. Beautiful!
Whoah! Thanks for the link on this! Dennis is simply amazing. And as Rudy said, that shuffle is absolutely beautiful stuff. Cheers! [img]graemlins/beer.gif[/img]
I saw these a while ago, here's my feelings. Firstly, in the first example of Rosanna, Dennis plays the groove wrong. His ghost notes are really loud and he doesn't groove anything like Jeff. It sounds wooden and stilted and doensn't have that famous lope.
Secondly his 'variation' was just horrible and didn't sit at all. It didn't feel good or groove for me and was intended to be flash rather than musical.
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He also speeds a little bit as the groove progresses.
His bassdrum pattern is also incorrect, he's missing a hit to complete the solomon mines figure, which i think is a very significant signature of the Jeff Porcaro Roxanna shuffle.
However the variation of the groove is very interesting, pretty much visual, but he also succesfully implements his signature Ride/Hi-hat patterns, which also can be heard on Mike Stern, Voices etc.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ June 26, 2004 02:00 PM: Message edited by: Klemme ]</font>
i know what people mean, but if you read the words on the pearl thing before the clips...doing the fancy version of the shuffle was kind of a joke on jeff, because jeff joked with dennis first.....
i personally like that kind of groove...totally depends on what music your playing at the time of course....but i like that "ON" feeling. that is what im working on in my playing, especially since being able to record myslef and listen back.....i always feel that im behind, not out of time, but a slightly sluggish feeling and i HATE that. buddy, dennis, thomas for example play it ON and HARD.....precision!!!
i don't like his choked snare sound. it has no breath.
I've not seen anyone who matches Dennis for natural ability.
Count Basie once eulogised about Art Tatum, saying how he 'wasted' the piano. You could say the same thing about Dennis and the drum set. Others have worked hard, practised, analysed, studied etc. but for sheer genius/natural talent, Dennis is peerless - and no-one is more exciting to watch in a live situation.
There are many I would rather watch than Dennis. It is pretty hard(impossible) to judge what percentage of a artists ability is natural and what came through hard work.
Dig
In the December 1997 issue, the 20th aniversary one, they have famous quotes from past issues from various drummers. I remember Dennis saying how everyone said he had some "natural talent". He responded by saying 'but I was always practicing... from the moment I woke up 'til the sun went down I was playing'. I heard the same thing about Buddy from someone who knew him. They may start at a higher level but you still have to polish it off, still climb the ladder.
Simply a matter of personnal taste and pardon my bias... I always love hearing Dennis' grooves... He makes it sound soooo Dennis... Yep, I'd agree, the ghost notes are louder than on Rosanna's. But again, it sounded... Dennis. As he himself said, t'was his own interpretation.
Where did Jeff Porcaro get his Rosanna groove from?? Wasn't it inspired from a John Bonham groove as well as from a Bernard Purdie? He took from them and made his own. I see nothing wrong in Dennis taking from Jeff and doing his thing with it, again, just a matter of what one likes and dislikes. As far as Dennis' solos, his solos have never been my favorites to listen to.
Make that December 96
I agree with Dazzler. It definitely is Dennis's interpretation of Jeff because it does not sound like Jeff. The Ghosting is over the top and the touch is not their(very stiff feeling), it does not sit well with me,as far as comparing it to Jeff. And Dennis's chops and speed anymore they do not impress me. To many other guy's are way superior in those areas. But Dennis has made his mark alredy for sure.
Dig
Heh, well, the beat is most definitely pushing, I mean, it's right in front. Doesn't really sit, yet, the feel and the sound behind it is great. I don't think dennis is trying to copy porcaro. Seems to me he just took the idea and created his own thing out of it.
Dennis isn't trying to "copy" Jeffs groove. That is his way to do it.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">co-sign on that one.Quote:
Originally posted by Mathias Sarsgaard:
Dennis isn't trying to "copy" Jeffs groove. That is his way to do it.
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Guys, guys - once again we're unrighteously comparing two very distinct & different players. Both of them have their own unique & signature sound, technique, feel, pocket, & groove, & both groove hard in each's own way, yet somewhat differently.
I'm sure if Jeff were here today he'd tell you [just like he said many times about Vinnie & Weckl] that DC is a monster. Jeff just felt lucky that he was called to play on so much stuff & that his playing was esteemed by many. [We all know how bad-a** his pocket was, though!]
Dennis isn't JEFF...never has been & never WILL be.
& Jeff isn't DENNIS, either...& he'd be the FIRST to tell you that.
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hey shedder,
i finally get to see ya on line! dennis likes his snare to be a little tighter than usual. but i think in this case it might've been the sound quality of the avi.
i enjoyed your playin this past weekend. i think i'll go back to the extra rack tom like you had.
i think dennis is da man. he's definitely created a unique voice on the drums and still manages to serve the music. it's unfortunate that he's been in alot of these topics where it's black or white. like they either love him, or hate him. he's influenced sooooo many people from derico watson, tony royster, blackwell, not to mention those of us who aren't mentioned in modern drummer.
i love the way he plays with authority and witt. it's like watching jordan finishing a fast break with a dunk.
*p-funk all stars live @ beverly theatre
*pick hits live
*blue matter
s'all i have to say
"You got it," Chuch.
& i would also add [to that list]:
Loud Jazz
Free Spirits [live]
Niacin
Uncle Moe's
John McL - Heart OT & HOTLive
S Dan - Alive in America
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<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ June 27, 2004 04:15 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>
Blue Matter is one of my all time favorite Fusion albums.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Speaking of Derico Watson, he's a heck of a great player and a nice guy too! He has a chat on his website every Wednesday at 9:30 (standard time). I usually try to make it over and chat with him. Very cool. [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]Quote:
Originally posted by Da Chuch:
...he's influenced sooooo many people from Derico Watson....
Isn't Derico the guy that toured with Vic Wooten's Band a little while back?
I saw them in late 9/03, & I'm thinking it was he...
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derico definitely reminds of chambers, yet more animated (in a great way). i enjoyed the avi's at the VF site of him. great authority. can also see beauford and
it seems like all the cats that are accomplished are fairly humble. and they're always open to learning.
i remember bissonette saying in his clinics that dennis would always have a bag of new cd's he'd listen to so that he can learn and keep fresh with the latest music and musicians.
and yes yes yes, *free spirits live in tokyo*. talkin bout telepathy!
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a whoops!
" a great way). i enjoyed the avi's at the VF site of him. great authority. can also see beauford and "
GENE LAKE.
peace-out!
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, him and JD Blair share the majority of the drum chair duties for Victor.Quote:
Originally posted by FuseU1:
Isn't Derico the guy that toured with Vic Wooten's Band a little while back?
I saw them in late 9/03, & I'm thinking it was he...
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Petite Blonde is the best Dennis album...by far.