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ON a drag 3 kit The external wastegate has 2 vacuume lines on it. one coming from the top and one from the side. What is the purpose of each. I've seen some people take the one on the top off. Any reason why? Is it there for a reason?
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As long as its fast!
You can use the top port if you have a electronic boost controller but you dont really need to use it. I have an EBC and I only use the top port.
art
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98 GSR Rev-Hard Turbo kit
yes...top one connect Electronic boost controller.
side one connect to compressor fitting.
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96 turbo gsr hitting low 12s 270.6 WHP 218 Torque.
90 hybrid hatch hitting mid 12s
JRSC is garbage. I speak from experience.
[This message has been edited by TrustGs-R (edited September 19, 2001).]
thankx.
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As long as its fast!
ArturboGSR98 - I'm currently in the process of getting the parts to go Turbo. I'm considering the Rev-Hard kit. Are there any additional parts or upgrades on your kit that in retrospec you think you should have purchased?
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95 4dr Gsr. Comptech 22 RearSway Bar, Thermal 3", KYB AGX w/ Sportlines. Quaife & CM Stg3.
Well if you didnt already know, the Rev-hard does NOT come with a Pre-turbo air filter. So in other words if there is no filter then it is possible to get rocks inside your turbo and car. I had one made.
http://www.turbomafia.com/Arturbo/6.jpg
You can also see that I have the Tial Wastegate. The kit comes with a Turbonetics deltagate wastegate which I have seen many times boost spike which can lead to blown motors.
You also might want to consider the Arturbo Downpipe that you can see here. I would match that downpipe with 3" thermal. I had really good gains when I did this upgrade and finally dynoed at 277whp and 200ft/lbs torque. http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=58034
art
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98 GSR Rev-Hard Turbo kit
How much did you pay for the Rev hard kit? Can you tell me what it comes with and if you could do it over would you stick with the Rev hard kit?
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As long as its fast!
You know that's a good point. The three I considered were the DRAG 3, Rev Hard & F-Max Kits. My only other option was to go custom. My buddy had a really bad experience with a shop here locally, even with that shop's version of a "built engine" I can beat him (50 shot of gas on my part).
The advantage of the F-Max seemed to be the engine management, which doesn't really apply to me as I'm going the Hondata route.
It would be nice if someone could list specific differences between the Rev Hard & Drag Kits - ie intercooler sizing, piping diameter, turbo specs etc. If someone has seen both - is the quality about equal?
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95 4dr Gsr. Comptech 22 RearSway Bar, Thermal 3", KYB AGX w/ Sportlines. Quaife, CM Stg3 Clutch, CM Flywheel.
No complaints here...love my RH-2 kit.
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97-GS/RH-2
239.4whp
210.2lb/tq @9psi
Rev-hard
Rev Hard Cast Iron Manifold
Rev Hard T3/T04E Hybrid Turbo
Rev Hard Intercooler 24.5" x 8" x 3.5"
Deltagate (9psi Spring)
GReddy Type S Blow Off Valve
2.25" Aluminzed Mandrel Bent Piping
2.5" Downpipe
Vortech FMU
MSD High Volume Fuel Pump
Check Valves
Drag 3
Garrett T04/T3 turbocharger
4 into 1 cast turbo manifold
Turbonetics Deltagate wastegate
Custom 2.5 inch down pipe
Wastegate dump tube
Larger efficient front mount intercooler
Chrome one piece intercooler and turbo piping
High flow performance fuel pump
Vortech boost dependent fuel pressure regulator
HKS Super Sequential blow-off valve
All necessary plumbing
MAP bypass valves
High flow intake filter and piping
Drag on the left and Rev-hard on the right:
http://www.turbomafia.com/Arturbo/11.jpg
REV-HARD
http://www.turbomafia.com/Arturbo/6.jpg
Drag
http://www.turbomafia.com/Arturbo/7.jpg
The Drag is a good turbo kit for the price and there is a group buy going on at this time. http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=62916
You can not go wrong with Drag, and especially if you buy it from importparts because if it ever cracks then Ben@importparts will replace it for free.
I chose Rev-hard because I bought it off a friend that needed money and I got a good deal on it. I like the design of the manifold better. But if I had done it over again I probably would have gone with drag because of the price and all the free stuff you get.
art
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98 GSR Rev-Hard Turbo kit
[This message has been edited by ArturboGSR98 (edited September 20, 2001).]
ArturboGSR98 - I appreciate the pics & info. From your list it appears that the kits have similar components. As you mentioned, the DRAG does look like it has more extras.
I have some other questions about the DRAG kit:
1. "Larger efficient front mount intercooler" - Do you know the specific dimensions?
2. "Chrome one piece intercooler and turbo piping" - Is this also 2.25" like the Rev Hard kit?
3. You mentioned the pre turbo filter wasn't included on the Rev Hard kit - Does the Rev Hard kit include a wastegate dump tube?
I appreciate your help.
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95 4dr Gsr. Comptech 22 RearSway Bar, Thermal 3", KYB AGX w/ Sportlines. Quaife, CM Stg3 Clutch, CM Flywheel.
50 shot.
[This message has been edited by 954DR (edited September 20, 2001).]
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You sure about that? I mesured mine the other day and it was prety close(if not smaller) then the measurements for the IC on the RevHard you listed. Of course I dont remember what they were sooooooooo.... http://www.hostboard.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
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2000 No Longer SC'd GSR
www.Strng1dah.com
www.Chris_Turbo.com
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I have some other questions about the DRAG kit:
1. "Larger efficient front mount intercooler" - Do you know the specific dimensions?I dont know the exact demensions of the Drag, but Drag is longer while Rev-hard is thicker.
2. "Chrome one piece intercooler and turbo piping" - Is this also 2.25" like the Rev Hard kit?I cant remember, but Im 95% sure it is
3. You mentioned the pre turbo filter wasn't included on the Rev Hard kit - Does the Rev Hard kit include a wastegate dump tube?No dump Tube for Rev-hard
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98 GSR Rev-Hard Turbo kit
277whp 200ft/lbs.
Arturbo Downpipes
ArturboGSR98 - Thanks 4 info.
Last thing - on the hondatech board ITR-481 stated "The rev hard manifold is a way better design the the drag because of the location of the WG..... the WG is located so far up on the #4 runner on the drag manifold your car can still get boost when the WG is all the way open."
Can anyone else verify this?
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95 4dr Gsr. Comptech 22 RearSway Bar, Thermal 3", KYB AGX w/ Sportlines. Quaife, CM Stg3 Clutch, CM Flywheel. 50 shot.
Well when you have a boost gauge it still reads what ever boost setting you have. I would say that is a myth. But I would say the only advantage Rev-hard manifold has Drag is that Im sure it flows better.
art
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98 GSR Rev-Hard Turbo kit
277whp 200ft/lbs.
Arturbo Downpipes
What about the issue of notching/filing down the block to make the DRAG manifold fit correctly? Any truth to that?
2 other questions:
1.Do you think I need to upgrade a larger radiator (eg Fluidyne) to cope with the heat generated from the turbo system?
2. Anyone have the FAL fans on their car & what do they think of them?
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95 4dr Gsr. Comptech 22 RearSway Bar, Thermal 3", KYB AGX w/ Sportlines. Quaife, CM Stg3 Clutch, CM Flywheel. 50 shot.
[This message has been edited by 954DR (edited September 22, 2001).]
[This message has been edited by 954DR (edited September 22, 2001).]
Also anyone have direct experience w/ Golden Eagle "Godzilla" Sleeves?
I appreciate the info. Don't want to waste the little dough I have.
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95 4dr Gsr. Comptech 22 RearSway Bar, Thermal 3", KYB AGX w/ Sportlines. Quaife, CM Stg3 Clutch, CM Flywheel. 50 shot. Bosch/Endyn external pump.