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I cannot stop listening to the Phil Collins tune "I cannot believe it's true" from his 'Hello, I Must Be Going' record. The groove he lays down on this tune is so deep. It also features the Phoenix horn section from EWF. Please search this tune out if you guys aren't familiar.
Phil can groove, man.
While not in the Weckluta league...but he has some chops & nice ideas & grooves...the early Genesis thru Duke was great [& dare i say it: even much of the 'pop-Gen.' is good]...Wind & Wuthering was fantastic 4 that genre & style [check out 'Wot Gorilla,' & 'Unquiet Slumber...'], AWA '& Then There Were 3,' etc etc...some of that stuff he did w Brand X was killer, too; too many to mention, but check the album 'Is There Anything About' 4 1 [title track] - groovin like a mutha...[Mike Clarke & Chuck Burgi kicked butt w BX AW; & i'd be remiss if i did not say that Bruford did a fantastic job on Gen. Second's Out live Cinemashow also]. I have all this stuff on VINYL...i need to get it on disc....
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 22, 2004 12:27 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>
Both of you guys on are the money. Phil used to have some serious ability, (better groove, musical chops, odd time playing w/Brand X) but for some reason his playing became thinner than his hair. His playing on the 'Buddy' tribute with Smith and Chambers is weak IMO. I like the two albums he did with Robert Plant: Pictures at Eleven and Principle of Moments. Good rock playing on both. Check 'em out.
[img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img] for Phil's playing!! On Second Out, listen to Firth Of Fifth... [img]biggrin.gif[/img] [img]biggrin.gif[/img] (Well... Chester starts it out, but Phil joins in)
Phil is a drummer who managed to develop his own style, easily recognisable, well using Concerto Toms may have a little to do with it... [img]wink.gif[/img] But not really...
As FUSE said, William Bruford on Cinema Show is thrilling to say the least...
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 17, 2004 11:56 PM: Message edited by: beat Hit ]</font>
'Nursery Crime' & 'Foxtrot' are also great examples of his work. So intricate, the odd time stuff is seamless.
I always thought Phil was one of the best, and most underrated drummers in popular music (along with Danny Seraphine, my first drum hero). I agree that his drumming on that Buddy Rich video was weak, but he was out of his element. I would probably not mistake Phil's groove for Gadd's or Porcaro's, but it's always very "comfortable"...never stiff or rushed.
When I was just starting to take formal lessons, my teacher (who was an incredible player and wise teacher) had the chart for "Cannot Believe It's True." I was in about 5th or 6th grade at the time, and didn't really "get" that tune at first. My teacher insisted that I give it a chance and try to get through the entire chart. It took me several weeks to work through the whole thing, but I only had to get about half-way through the first page before I really began to understand why it was such a great tune and a great drum part--especially those one-bar fills leading into the choruses and bridge. It's still one of my favorites to listen to and play along with....almost 20 years later!
"No Reply At All" is another great tune and one of his best performances. Other favorites: "I Missed Again," "Just a Job to Do," "Abacab," I could go on and on, but let me recommend one album in particular: Eric Clapton's "August." It reminds me of Toto IV--almost every single tune is great and the drumming is never boring.
Phil and his band used to get played on MTV during this period. There is an EXCELLENT live video of this show but I haven't been able to find it. There is one tune on it where Phill just grooves, I don't remember it but I hear the flammy groove in my head. Plus he sings and plays In the Air Tonight which is pretty incredible considering he takes it out in the last section.
Chester is no slouch either. Was watching A+E this AM and there was a Genesis on that I'd never seen.
If you can find the Mama tour video, get it, it's really good and it has the drum duet and it is just killer. they do a medley of the old tunes and I still am amazed at Phil's playing on Slippermen off The Lamb. That ride pattern is blazing. chester plays great on this video too.
...& don't 4get "Follow You, Follow Me"...nice groove on that 1 AW [img]wink.gif[/img]
I always felt that Genesis was ahead of the pool in the early prog rock veign...conceptually, they were beyond the other bands associated w the genre [xcept 4 maybe Yes; just different]...& that monster, epic, grandiose sound that they had...they weren't a chops band AMA it was their writing & approach, in the more classical & prog rock influenced veign AOT the jazz thing.
...& what a uniquely identifiable & emotive voice there was in "Fill."
[AMA = "as much as"
AOT = "as opposed to"
ended up typin' it out, & more, ANYWAY [img]wink.gif[/img]
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 19, 2004 06:03 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>
MALAGA VIRGEN....
NUCLEAR BURN
Noddy goes to Sweden
Village of the Slipperman
In the Air Tonight
Easy Lover....
What happened on the way to Heaven>>
Genesis' "A Trick Of The Tail" has some great songs and playing from Phil. I think this was his first album as lead vocalist too.
Chuck Burgi was in Brand X for a short time before joining Rainbow.
Speaking of Steve Hackett, "Highly Strung" has some fine drumming from Marillion's Ian Mosley.
I liked how Phil played his OWN style on his OWN setup...he was really unique and made it work.
That concert tom kit, the Gretsch, sounded so cool...floor toms from hell.
I seem to recall reading somewhere a long time ago that Phil bashed Carl Palmer for being too stiff.
I really dug Palmer back in the day...but now, it's hard to listen to...i really dig ELP, but, & no off, but he's like Rich on meth; really herky-jerky, helter-skelter...lotsa lix 4 lix' sake, it would seem now...super-sized, hyper big-band solo accompaniment drumming" to everything [except maybe some of the Asia pop stuff]...chops fills 4 d sake of chops fills; kinda 1 dimensional [AOT, say, Weckl - i know, 2 completely diff styles of drummers], if u know what i mean...
In rock/popular[!], Neil was as some of u say...parts, w themes/fills/beats building on themes successively...in this way, & i dare say/be so bold - [& one can just hear Rush "gnashing their collective teeth" at this- they used to HATE the notion of "pop"] - he was indeed a great "pop" drummer, so to spk...
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 22, 2004 04:32 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>
Yeah, I still like listening to old ELP for the drumistics, but his time was AWFUL.
On Tarkus, the guy was all over the place...but give him credit, he was aggressive and pushing like mad.
ANd rock needs big shows like ELP, not mopey turds like Linkin Park and Korn and all that.
BR - LMFAO - a most excellent response! [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]biggrin.gif[/img]
I saw that FACE VALUE making of DVD, good interviews. Phil even plays some of the drum parts on it (recent footage, not even pro mic'ed, just the camera mic). Why the heck did he switch to DW? He was the Gretsch poster boy.
I listened to a lot of that stuff you guys are mentioning when I was younger too. He's a great drummer. EASY LOVER (with Phillip Bailey) has some great drums parts too.
I don't think he switched and I have yet o see anything to say he did. My feeling is it was a rented kit.
I haven't seen anything either. I know that Gretsch built him a double headed kit awhile back....If he did,it's news to me.
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Originally posted by FuseU1:
The new drummer for Brand X is great, too...i believe it's Frank Katz....
<font color="#a62a2a"><font size="1">[ January 22, 2004 12:46 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font></font>
Listen to "Mental Floss." or "Inseminator"
Also check out the Band Tunnels
Nice to see that some of you guys here are old fans of Genesis [& Brand X]...they were a bad-a$$ majestic band [& fusion-prog-rock band, respectively]...
I'm not sure what the problem was with Bruford; all i know is that he kix some entire mule on that live Cinemashow [off of Seconds Out] - GREAT drumming...Stv Hackett's solo 'Watcher oif the Skies' is also killer [Bill is on title track & also 'Firth of 5th;' Chester T, Hugo Daagenhardt[sp?]...[monster drummers!], & Tarajan Bombast are killin' on the others...
The new drummer for Brand X is great, too...i believe it's Frank Katz....
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"After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music." - ALDOUS HUXLEY
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 22, 2004 12:46 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>
Funny story:
My pops went to see Brand X at the old Cellar Door in DC back in the seventies. He was all stoked to see Phil tear it up in such a small venue. But when they got there, there was no Phil. It ended up being Kenwood Dennard on drums that night. Kenwood was wearing a t-shirt that said "Where's Phil?" which is freegin' hilarious. I guess the poor guy was sick to death of being asked. Nonetheless, I heard he was pretty badass too.
Cool story, Nikk.
Kenwood kicked asp when i saw him in clinic yrs. ago...he used to play w Jaco quite a bit...listen to his drumg on Sting's version of Little Wing [great gtr & sax solos AW]...& he does a fine job on fusion guitarist Daryll Dobson's "The Mind Electric" ['86 - Tony Smith plays drums on there AW]...i dont know what's up w him on that latest fest DVD [havent seen it]...i do know that he's deaf, maybe that has something to do w it?! [img]confused.gif[/img] ...
PTrack - I just listened to the BX tune "Xanax Taxi" w Katz [w his drum solo] - "WORD." [img]wink.gif[/img]
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 25, 2004 11:40 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>
Is that Tony "Thunder" Smith, the guy who played with Lou Reed and Pat DiNizio?
Wierd style, but strong drumming...