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April 5th, 2004, 06:42 AM
Angelgirl

There has been a few comments on Dzine about the number of people registering to attend after they said DH might be there.
The comments range from - they must be not true fans to it's all about the music.
Well - If it's all about the music why are there so many threads about his Lips, eyes, hair & other body parts! (although I am sure those parts are very nice!)as for being a 'true Fan' how I hate that term, I am sure I remeber DH saying something about a person is as much of a fan if they only buy the CD or join a fanclub. I did become more interested when they said DH might be there, who in all honesty wouldn't? There seems to be this Clique of people who consider themselves 'true fans' and above the rest of us, I read on another site that the street team leader is going to moniter the people who only joined to attend these LP's and exclude them from other events.
That makes me very angry - it's not about that. For me it's about the music and the person who makes that music. (I want to check out those body parts [img]wink.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img] .
Unfortunately it looks like I'm not going to get the chance.
April 5th, 2004, 07:45 AM
Twizzle

It stinks of smugness and self importance over on that board. I'd be very interested to know just how many of those supposedly 'true fans' would like DH were he short, fat and bald! [img]wink.gif[/img] LMAO

DH must feel so proud to have fans like (some of) that lot! [img]graemlins/sure.gif[/img] *lol*
April 5th, 2004, 08:32 AM
Dryzabone

Yes I saw some of those comments and as usual they made me feel sad. I'm past getting riled up and angry these days, they just disappoint me the shallow ppl [img]frown.gif[/img]

p.s. I just tell myself for every 1 person like that there will be 10 like Laurie, Janie, Terry etc

I hope you ladies will share your experiences here!!

[ April 05, 2004 05:35 AM: Message edited by: Dryzabone ]
April 5th, 2004, 08:55 AM
Twizzle

Those sort of comment don't disappoint me per se but they make me wish for the days before that sort of mind-set crept into the fan-base.

As for 10 like me Barb, well after the end of June, there won't even be 1 like me over there! [img]wink.gif[/img] *waits for the cheers from some of them* [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img] lol
April 5th, 2004, 11:02 AM
Juliet10

As for 10 like me Barb, well after the end of June, there won't even be 1 like me over there! [img]wink.gif[/img] *waits for the cheers from some of them* [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img] lol
***********

Same here lol

*expects them to party when I say I won't be a member anymore*

Michelle

xx
April 5th, 2004, 12:28 PM
Twizzle

^^ You too Michelle?

Gah! They'll be having a week of parties when they realise that both of us are gone! [img]wink.gif[/img] LMAO
April 5th, 2004, 04:28 PM
Angelgirl

Thats a shame - They need a bit of an antidote to all the sugeryness over there. You won't be leaving here though will you?
April 5th, 2004, 04:39 PM
Bromley

Well I for one will be very sorry Terry and Michelle.

BTW Terry, hopefully you'll get a sensible answer to your question about the timing after Laurie and the others have attended the first US LPs.

Joyce

xx
April 5th, 2004, 05:19 PM
Twizzle

Jan - I'm sure that you'll still be able to locate me and Michelle on here or on the (new) Sony bbs. Y'all can't get rid of us that easily! [img]wink.gif[/img] *lol*

Joyce - I hope so too hun! [img]graemlins/sure.gif[/img] lol
April 6th, 2004, 05:27 AM
Dryzabone

Quote:

Originally posted by Laurina:
You know what girls, there is always this kind of stuff going on in this fanbase. It was there from the beginning, and it is there now, just in different form. And this fanbase is not unique, it happens in so many others.

I agree Laurie but it has worn me down now perhaps because of *me* at the moment.

Need to think hard before responding to the rest although I have always loved your enthusiasm, dedication and fairness Laurie! I'm just still uninspired atm.

[ April 06, 2004 02:31 AM: Message edited by: Dryzabone ]
April 6th, 2004, 06:15 AM
Angelgirl

Quote:

Originally posted by Laurina:
You know what girls, there is always this kind of stuff going on in this fanbase. It was there from the beginning, and it is there now, just in different form. And this fanbase is not unique, it happens in so many others.

Sometimes too, things are so open to interpretation that what appears to have been said, really is not at all what has been said. Certainly there are times when what is stated, is precisely what is meant, but there are alot of grey areas too. Interpretation of written word is a really really tough thing.

I try really really hard to always post with the best of my heart and soul in place and to never hurt someone intentionally; but I still recieve PM's from people who have mis-interpreted my words and sometimes I am really surprised by that because I do think "how could they have got that from what I said?" but it is the uniqueness of us as human beings and that is okay.

In defense of Street Teams... I honestly have not seen anyone state that people are being filtered out of other activities because they joined the street team only to attend a Noon session. I actually think the exact opposite has happened (and I am basing this on my conversations with others) the more the merrier at these promo workshops because each person brings in new ideas and new perspectives and that is what those workshops are all about [img]smile.gif[/img] So again, it is sometimes a case of interpretation and perception.

I just wanted to say that about the Street Teams because I am a very very proud street team member and leader and I believe very strongly in fanship. Whether someone is on a team or not it doesn't matter, everyone counts and everyone is equal as a fan.

[ April 06, 2004 12:49 AM: Message edited by: Laurina ]

Laurina, what the St team leader actually said was that she would be monitering the leaving rate of those that recently joined, making a note of their Email address in view of notification or not of future events.(as you said it is a personal interpretation, I have sent you a pm with the actual quote pasted in to it)
I would not post something that I had not read.

I appreciate your point of view. Mine just comes from another direction perhaps.

[ April 06, 2004 03:31 AM: Message edited by: Angelgirl ]
April 6th, 2004, 08:27 AM
DarrensPassion

Well one thing about these LP's which seems very odd to me is that I've noticed there are some people who are bringing husbands/partners/children along with them!! I thought these parties were for members ONLY! http://www.hostboard.com/forums/

That doesn't sit too well with me when there are still members who have been refused places because the LP's are now full!

Janie xx

[ April 06, 2004 05:28 AM: Message edited by: DarrensPassion ]
April 6th, 2004, 08:48 AM
Twizzle

Quote:

Originally posted by DarrensPassion:
Well one thing about these LP's which seems very odd to me is that I've noticed there are some people who are bringing husbands/partners/children along with them!! I thought these parties were for members ONLY! http://www.hostboard.com/forums/

That doesn't sit too well with me when there are still members who have been refused places because the LP's are now full!

Janie xx

Speaking as one who has been refused a place, I think it stinks! http://www.hostboard.com/forums/ lol

Yet another black mark against the woefully inept administration of anything official to do with DH! http://www.hostboard.com/forums/
April 6th, 2004, 09:41 AM
GillyUK

How did these husbands/partners/children get a place? I registered as me as I got an e-mail through

Did they e-mail the fan club??

If I'd known you could take people with you - I have to admit I probably would - but it didn't occur to me that it was allowed. I assumed it was for members only - like the soundchecks

Oh well - obviously my mistake
April 6th, 2004, 11:00 AM
Twizzle

*deffo thinks that there's some skullduggery afoot*

I've been in contact with another f/c member (who will remain anonymous) and apparently, her friend got confirmation/approval to attend one of the London LP's but then found out that she couldn't go. So, this person e-mailed the f/c to ask if her friend (the f/c member) could go in her place and guess what? The person who is co-ordinating these events (no names - no pack drill! [img]wink.gif[/img] ) told this person that their friend (said f/c member) could NOT attend in her place as, and I quote "there is a waiting list from the 'fanclub' in case of any cancellations..."

btw - said f/c member is also (possibly) perceived as being a bit troublesome in that she, like myself, doesn't indulge in sucking-up to the f/c! Can anyone spot an emerging pattern here? [img]wink.gif[/img] *lol*

How d'you like THOSE apples!

edited b/c my friend wanted to attend a London LP and not one in the USA.

[ April 07, 2004 05:25 AM: Message edited by: Twizzle ]
April 6th, 2004, 11:25 AM
Dryzabone

Tries to insert shocked, surprised expression here [img]tongue.gif[/img]

OK being the total b-i-t-c-h I feel atm, power in some ppls hands is ugly!
April 6th, 2004, 11:27 AM
Twizzle

^^ Yep, it most certainly is, Barb! [img]graemlins/thumbs_down.gif[/img]
April 6th, 2004, 12:19 PM
Juliet10

I just wanted to say that about the Street Teams because I am a very very proud street team member and leader and I believe very strongly in fanship. Whether someone is on a team or not it doesn't matter, everyone counts and everyone is equal as a fan.
**************

Laurie hon, it would be great if all Street Team members felt/behaved the way you do about them, but unfortunately, they don't.

Edited cos I forgot to say thanks Joyce and no Jan, I won't be leaving here [img]smile.gif[/img]

Michelle

xx

[ April 06, 2004 09:21 AM: Message edited by: Juliet10 ]
April 6th, 2004, 02:40 PM
Laurina

I'm sorry if my optimism appears to make me naive, believe me I have been there and done that far too many times to count. My poor mental and emotional health just couldn't take any more and that is why I just decided one day that I couldn't live a negative fan experience. I didn't want that for myself (and I don't want that for others either).

I want to enjoy being a fan of Darren's and not get wrapped up in politics and fights and rivalries and on and on and on. I know they exist, believe me I know, but I just don't let it soak deeply inside of me. I want to smile when I read something new from Darren. I want to giggle, and yes sometimes squeal, when I see a new pictures. I want to sigh, laugh, cry, and all of those beautiful things, to Darren's music. So, I cling to those things and give them more weight in my fan experience.

Sorry.... gone on a rant..
April 6th, 2004, 03:46 PM
Laurina

You know what girls, there is always this kind of stuff going on in this fanbase. It was there from the beginning, and it is there now, just in different form. And this fanbase is not unique, it happens in so many others.

Sometimes too, things are so open to interpretation that what appears to have been said, really is not at all what has been said. Certainly there are times when what is stated, is precisely what is meant, but there are alot of grey areas too. Interpretation of written word is a really really tough thing.

I try really really hard to always post with the best of my heart and soul in place and to never hurt someone intentionally; but I still recieve PM's from people who have mis-interpreted my words and sometimes I am really surprised by that because I do think "how could they have got that from what I said?" but it is the uniqueness of us as human beings and that is okay.

In defense of Street Teams... I honestly have not seen anyone state that people are being filtered out of other activities because they joined the street team only to attend a Noon session. I actually think the exact opposite has happened (and I am basing this on my conversations with others) the more the merrier at these promo workshops because each person brings in new ideas and new perspectives and that is what those workshops are all about [img]smile.gif[/img] So again, it is sometimes a case of interpretation and perception.

I just wanted to say that about the Street Teams because I am a very very proud street team member and leader and I believe very strongly in fanship. Whether someone is on a team or not it doesn't matter, everyone counts and everyone is equal as a fan.

[ April 06, 2004 12:49 AM: Message edited by: Laurina ]
April 6th, 2004, 04:23 PM
Twizzle

I envy you Laurie and I wish could detatch myself from it all but I HATE to see injustice; favouritism; back-stabbing etc. It makes my blood boil, even when it has nothing directly to do with me. There seems to be far too many parasitical ppl within DH's management and fanbase that are just out for what they can get or for how close they can get to him and it makes me sick. I'm tired of seeing the same ppl treating others with distain and disregard and basically lording it over everyone just b/c they happen to have a few tenuous connections. They are apparently generous with their 'treats' but, my God! do they expect ppl to be obsequious towards them for evermore or what?!

[ April 06, 2004 01:31 PM: Message edited by: Twizzle ]
April 6th, 2004, 04:54 PM
Juliet10

I feel the same way Terry does about it all.

In fact, it's quite scary how similar our views are lol

Michelle

xx
April 6th, 2004, 06:16 PM
Laurina

Quote:

Originally posted by Twizzle:
I envy you Laurie and I wish could detatch myself from it all but I HATE to see injustice; favouritism; back-stabbing etc. It makes my blood boil, even when it has nothing directly to do with me. There seems to be far too many parasitical ppl within DH's management and fanbase that are just out for what they can get or for how close they can get to him and it makes me sick. I'm tired of seeing the same ppl treating others with distain and disregard and basically lording it over everyone just b/c they happen to have a few tenuous connections. They are apparently generous with their 'treats' but, my God! do they expect ppl to be obsequious towards them for evermore or what?!

[ April 06, 2004 01:31 PM: Message edited by: Twizzle ]

Hey Terry [img]smile.gif[/img] I understand what you are saying. There are definitely times when I see what you are referring to; and I see it far more times than I would like to. But speaking from my personal experiences, and once being part of a very chastized group of people and to this day still having people assume because I am friends with certain people I must have an "In" somehow... I can honestly say that some times, what appears to be, just isn't the case. But do you think I can convince people of that? No. And I gave up trying because whomever thinks that about me, has already developed their perceptions and no amount of talk on my part is going to sway them. They are wrong, but they believe they are right, and I accept that that is the way it is.

I am not saying that in every case there isn't backstabbing, injustice, favoritism etc.. etc... I'm just saying that sometimes it is not as big as it seems. And sometimes we contribute to it because one thing happens (or MANY things happen) and then we start to think that that is the "norm" and that that always happens.

Again, I'm not saying that it doesn't, because I know damn well it does.

Anyway... I guess I get on some people's nerves because yeah, I try to see more positive in my personal fan experience. Darren is a very important person in my life. I'm not ashamed to admit that. No, I don't know him and I will never know him. But he has given me a gift through his music and through the person he is, and I am very very grateful for that connection.

[ April 06, 2004 03:19 PM: Message edited by: Laurina ]
April 6th, 2004, 09:20 PM
Dryzabone

Quote:

Originally posted by Laurina:
Anyway... I guess I get on some people's nerves because yeah, I try to see more positive in my personal fan experience. Darren is a very important person in my life. I'm not ashamed to admit that. No, I don't know him and I will never know him. But he has given me a gift through his music and through the person he is, and I am very very grateful for that connection.

[ April 06, 2004 03:19 PM: Message edited by: Laurina ]

You definitely don't get on my nerves in fact I love your posts, they always inspire me to look further and provide a much needed balance in this sometimes crazy DH world! It would be an honour to be part of your street team Laurie [img]smile.gif[/img]

Also feels DH music is a gift in her life and yes that is positive but like Terry and Michelle the injustice of certain issues just makes me feel sad and disappointed at the same time as feeling happy about the good things.

[ April 06, 2004 06:23 PM: Message edited by: Dryzabone ]
April 7th, 2004, 06:17 AM
Angelgirl

Having read all these posts I just wanted to say how I feel about it all, if I misquote someone I apologise in advance.
I love Darren's music and I like reading Dzine and watching clips of him performing etc, however I don't think I know him or even that he is part of my life as such. This board and to a certain extent the Dzine board are part of my life, I like reading 'some ' posts and replying occaisionally over there, frequently more over here [img]smile.gif[/img] I do feel similar to Terry that some people like to give the impression that they are on the inside they may well be,I also think they like the fact that it appears that way! I do know that a few years ago during a bad time I felt his music helped me, more of a distraction than anything deeper. And I do find now when I have problems I turn to his music. No other singer/songwriter has that effect so there must be something in it. anyway I can't be a 'squealing' fan it's not in my nature and I'm too old (I like to think too dignified too, but when you meet me Terry & Janie you will know that isn't true lol)I also like how he looks - most of the time, and won't deny that is part of the appeal - to pretend otherwise would be hypocritical. anyway to finish - Laurina, I prefer your approach to it all than the other St team. I am looking forward to the new CD but have lost a bit of enthusiasm for the Dzine board, some of whom I find a teeny bit off balance.

end of essay!

also I must stop using !!! or I might get carried away !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [img]smile.gif[/img]
Lastly - glad you will still be on here Michelle & Terry, now I've found this place of sanity I would hate it to change [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ April 07, 2004 03:26 AM: Message edited by: Angelgirl ]
April 7th, 2004, 01:36 PM
Laurina

Quote:

You definitely don't get on my nerves in fact I love your posts, they always inspire me to look further and provide a much needed balance in this sometimes crazy DH world! It would be an honour to be part of your street team Laurie [img]smile.gif[/img]

Also feels DH music is a gift in her life and yes that is positive but like Terry and Michelle the injustice of certain issues just makes me feel sad and disappointed at the same time as feeling happy about the good things.

Barb... thank you for saying that. I really do cherish the people on the Street Team, just as I cherish all of my friend, because they are my friends. We are all friends there. It's not "my" street team ... it is everyone's. And the beauty of it is that we talk about absolutely everything on there, not just Darren. We have everything from people who write reviews on cd's and share them with the team, to people who talk about their family, to people who drool at Darren in suits, to people who talk non-stop about Austin Powers lol; and it is all good [img]smile.gif[/img] It's our fan "home" and it is a welcoming place. Have a look at how many messages get posted through our team every month and you will see just how chatty people are lol: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group...n_Street_Team/

Anyway, I should stop talking about the street team because I could go on and on lol

I would love to comment more on the injustices you are experiencing, but I know that sometimes discussing specific occurances is not easy, and not easy to do publicly. If you need to chat, you know where I am.

And btw... (back to the Street Team for a moment

[img]wink.gif[/img] ) ... there are several members on our team who are from other parts of the world. You are always welcome [img]smile.gif[/img]