Is this flaming?

First of all, please take this seriously.

If you can, please read this thread page; particularly, the posts by OCB and Wiseman.

After reading it, and only if you have read it, please vote whether you think my last post on the subject, i.e. the one posted on March 04, 2004 05:45 PM, was a flame against OCB.

I'll run this poll for three days (more if OCB thinks 3 aren't enough), then decide whether I have to mod it or not based on the board's opinion.

Please do not vote if you haven't read all of it.

Maybe we should do a follow up poll. People seem to be going your way. Does this mean people think i'm a terrorist, or pro-terrorist?

I still yet have to vote. Politics has never been my field of interest...

However, I propose a new way to do this: people should post instead, stating who they are in favour of and then state WHY s/he said yes or no in more than one sentence (no, one word answer/sentences don't count here). I think that's fair to both Wiseman and OCB.

i dont think it was flaming, nor is OCB pro--terrorist or a terrorist...he simply stated his opinion, and here's nothing wrong with doing that...just because the majority of people disagreed with him or opposed him, and said so, does not mean he is being flamed...

What the hell? Terrorism consists of killing people. I don't want people to die. How can i support terrorism with a view like that?!

I suggested that, in some situations, they should give into terrorist demands to prevent people from being killed.

Where the hell is the link to that being pro-terrorist?!

I don't think it's flaming and I don't think OCB is pro-terrorist, nor a terrorist himself.

Well, you don't want people to be killed, but you want to give terrorists what they want, which legitimates (and would encourage) terrorism as a mean to get what you want. So if I want say, $10000, all I need to do is to kill 2 people, then say I'll kill some more if I don't get my $10000, you would gladly hand over the money. The world would be full of terrorism this way. That's why I said what I said and I think what I think.

I beleive i mentioned the case by case basis.

Even so, I want terrorists' heads rolling on the floor.

...why is that so calming?

Anyway, i'm gonna drop this now. You can still reply to the PM if you want. I'm still offended at being accused of pro-terrorist statements, but when it comes down to it, the personalities we display here are completly different to us in RL. I would probably freeze in a terrorist situation. We all would probably.

Regardless, i still stand by saving lives rather than losing them for land or pride.

I can see OCB's angle here... giving in to the terrorists' demands so they'd drop their threats.

Whether to give in or not depends on the situation really... here's one example:

A building has been taken over by terrorists and they plan to kill everyone in it if they don't get X amount of money and someone you really cared about (friend, family, significant other) happened to be in that building, which you're aware of. What would you do then? Would you give in to their demands? Or don't give in and risk all those hostages' lives?

Think about that... and what OCB is trying to say...

One more thing: deja vu...

yay~! someone who understood.

i dont think giving in to terrorist's demands on certain situations can be deemed pro-terrorist, ofcourse we want those ppl (assuming it would be a hostage situation, or threat of massive bombing in a heavily populated area) to be unharmed! but ofcourse nothing is easy... but if we could erradicate all the terrorists then all the better IMO =__= then there would be no need to give in to any demands as there would be none lmao

IRT OCB:

Does this mean people think i'm a terrorist, or pro-terrorist?

All they voted is is "No - it was not flaming and should not be modded", it said nothing about you being a terrorist or not. I don't know others' opinions on this. You could ask in this or another thread.

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My opinion is what I stated in the March 04, 2004 05:45 PM post. To make things clear, I think OCB is not a terrorist himself.

IRT OCB: I think I posted my opinion in that htread: From what I could tell, you think terrorism is ok in certain situattions, but as I said, good intentions don't make bad actions worthwhile

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A building has been taken over by terrorists and they plan to kill everyone in it if they don't get X amount of money and someone you really cared about (friend, family, significant other) happened to be in that building, which you're aware of. What would you do then? Would you give in to their demands? Or don't give in and risk all those hostages' lives?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana,sans-serif">The correct thing to do in this case is to give them a case with false money (invalid/duplicated S/Ns, but printed by the government and undistinguishable from authentic money) and some tracking system installed (or whatever better system the security forces know, which I'm sure I don't); get them to free the people in the building, then go after the terrorists and kill all of them, one by one, then have a party and play soccer with their heads.

They'll want an escape route also, e.g. a helicoper. But they may find a bomb if we planted one on it. So, instead of sending a helicoper with a bomb on, send a bomb that looks like a full size helicoper. Explode it once they are in the air and hope their heads are intact for some football. It's important to have hope. ^_^

LOL, I like that method. Maybe you don't get to play football, but you get fireworks. I like fireworks.

Or... Maybe we could take a bunch of terrorist leader, give them weapons and an irremovable necklace, then place them on an island to fight it out for three days a la Battle Royale. We'll televise it completely, and scare any terrorist out being a terrorist.

You didn't answer my question...

<font color="#101010" size="1">[ March 07, 2004 12:47 AM: Message edited by: Earth Rincar ]</font>

I like that idea. A lot. It would show the general public how awful killing people is by forcing terrorists kill each other.

^_^;; Or it might desensitise them to the violence... Just realized that.

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Originally posted by -Wiseman-:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,sans-serif">A building has been taken over by terrorists and they plan to kill everyone in it if they don't get X amount of money and someone you really cared about (friend, family, significant other) happened to be in that building, which you're aware of. What would you do then? Would you give in to their demands? Or don't give in and risk all those hostages' lives?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana,sans-serif">The correct thing to do in this case is to give them a case with false money (invalid/duplicated S/Ns, but printed by the government and undistinguishable from authentic money) and some tracking system installed (or whatever better system the security forces know, which I'm sure I don't); get them to free the people in the building, then go after the terrorists and kill all of them, one by one, then have a party and play soccer with their heads.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,sans-serif">Yes... that's a good plan although printing fake money would take some time and time is a luxury the authorities don't have in cases like these... but a good plan, none the less.

Also, depending on the government, terrorists won't be executed just like that even though they deserve it.

Well, I think the fake money should be ready for these kind of situations; every country should have a nice reserve of "official fake money" to use it here. Maybe they already have it. Of course we'll never know; if we knew, terrorists would know as well, and they would be less likely to ask for money knowing that they'll get the fake one.

As for the death penalty, yeah, sadly not all countries give terrorists what they deserve.

i wasnt trying to answer ur question, but wise has a hella nice idea there, but its something ive seen in movies a few times too lolz