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March 20th, 2004, 02:43 PM
benrand

Various cool drum performances today on America's Top 40.

First up, a long distance dedication...an English guitarist that sounds too wierd for popular consumtion but he uses a great drummer Gary Husband on his recordings. This is an old Tony Williams tune that he played on and he played with his trio in 2000 featuring gary Husband on espresso and drums.

ProtoCosmos.mp3

Next up, an old drum standard performed by one of the drum legends recreated by Bill Bruford in his own inimitable style.

TheDrumAlsoWaltzes.mp3

Steve Smith used to play with hitmakers Journey and played on such hits as Separate Ways and Faithfully. Here he gets together an actual jazz band and plays his own tunes that he wrote. These are some cuts from their first recording, Vital Information.

VG.mp3

AllThatIs.mp3

VitalInformation.mp3
March 20th, 2004, 03:02 PM
Randy walker

I took and mastered the first 2 Vital Info records from very clean vinyl for Steve Smith. He loaded them into his iPOD.
March 20th, 2004, 03:23 PM
mja61

Benrand - thanks for the tunes, as always!!!

I really hope those first three Vital Info albums ("Vital Info," "Orion," and "Global Beat") become available somehow or other. I've got everything from "FiaFiaga" through "Show 'Em Where You Live."

[ March 20, 2004 11:24 AM: Message edited by: mja61 ]
March 20th, 2004, 03:25 PM
peter c

That Gary 'wave' is cool!

Thanks, Benrand. He really is an
unsung hero. I dug the guitar!!

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March 20th, 2004, 05:32 PM
Pocketime

Thanks for the great tunes!! The Gary Husband track is off the hook!!! He definitely paid a wonderful tribute to my all time favorite drummer. We miss you Tony and thanks for the great legacy of drumming and music that you left us with. PT.
March 20th, 2004, 05:48 PM
FuseU1

THX again, BR

Husband is DA MAANN.
I might have another boot mp3 of a diff-but-still-killer perf of PC somewhere, BR...if i find it, maybe i can e it to you?

I have the 1st Vital Info & Fiafiaga on vinyl [img]eek.gif[/img] , Orion & Global Beat on cassette tp [ [img]eek.gif[/img] even worse - can you say, "hisss?"] , & VitaLive on DISC [ta-daahh!! [img]biggrin.gif[/img] ]...

The 1st album is autog'd by SS, Coster, Landers, & saxist Wilczewski; pretty cool, if u r into the autog thing, i guess...it has sent. value to me anyway...

All are great...

Altho Stv can overplay a bit, that Vitalive still has some burnin' schadt on there..."Perfect Date" [both on there & the orig studio version off Fiafiaga] is a smokin' cut...
I wish SS'd somehow put those 1st ones on disc [from the masters or a copy, if he possesses them, perhaps?] for mail order on his site, i think he'd get plenty of interest over the net....

[ March 20, 2004 02:09 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]
March 20th, 2004, 06:53 PM
beat Hit

Thanks Benrand...

Gary a Unsung Hero indeed, I love his linear approach. That Bruford Clip taken from the 1st Bruford/Moraz album is taking me back in time... Boy was that concert ever GOOD!! Great tribute to Max Roach on that one.
March 20th, 2004, 07:49 PM
FuseU1

Yeah. Is it just me, but it almost sounded as if Neil too was "tippin' his hat" to "the Drum Also Waltzes" in a section of his Show of Hands solo AW ;=)
March 20th, 2004, 08:54 PM
buga

Bruford is carving out his own niche in the world of jazz coming from a prog background like Peart, but he plays completely different than him or any of those guys, a totally different approach a la Tony Williams or Billy Cobham. Bruford was/is a trickier, singular drummer with more interesting phrasing than Neil as i'm sure most would notice. He's also one of the very few drummers i've heard who shares the distinction of actually writing good "solo" albums, even if they sound abit outdated for today's standards("One of a Kind" for example or the records with UK/Yes/King Crimson)

His duet with Sean Malone on "The Brook and the Ocean" is marvelous, especially the solo Bill takes at the end, the way he constructs the solo against the theme/vamp and embellishes it and Sean's playing and tone has echos of Jaco's influence. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ March 20, 2004 06:18 PM: Message edited by: Bozzio ]
March 20th, 2004, 09:05 PM
beat Hit

I am still listening to Holdsworth's clip... [img]eek.gif[/img]

Gary's playing on the edge of his seat (in a good way), totally coming from the heart (Bozzio [img]wink.gif[/img] ) and it comes out. So I am here hanging on the edge of my seat just listening to it... GREAT TUNE!! That's one thing Gary and Vinnie have in common, being able to instantly respond to Holdsworth's intricate and out of this world rythmical ideas.
March 20th, 2004, 09:23 PM
FuseU1

Bruf is a great drummer.
[I also liked TB on UK's Danger Money when he replaced him ;=)]...

When i saw the CCEB for the 1st time [trio, no gtr] in '86 [just b4 the first release], Bruford was in the audience sitting beside the then mgr of the drum/perc dept of a popular local music store, checkin' it out [i thought i might've seen a little "sweat" glistening on his brow at 1 point, tho ;=)]...

Of what i've heard of him [BB] attempting swing, it's also stiff, but still sometimes valid ideas within it fr a technical standpoint...[but he still doesn't really "swing," man ;=)]...

He is well beyond NP in his vocab...amongst the many, I also dig his playing on Stv Hackett's Watcher of the Skies solo CD...& i revert back to the track that i always do, & beatH, for one, will usually back me up on this: Cinemashow, from Genesis' Seconds Out [live]...Bill pulls down some britches & gives a little spanking to both NP AND Phil on that one ;=) [& most of the other non-jazz-&-fusion influenced prog-rock drummers of the day, FTM]...

Newsflash -
Husband, again, is [still :=p] a GRREAT drummer....

[ March 20, 2004 05:29 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]
March 20th, 2004, 10:01 PM
beat Hit

Fuse...

Yes I am backing you up on that one: Cinema Show... CLASSIC Bruford [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]

AND...

If I can get a hold of Genesis Three Sides Live (UK Version), I'll treat myself listening to Bruford playing Watcher of the Skies!!! It's been too long ... [img]frown.gif[/img] and William KILLS IT!!!

BTW Fuse.... Just got a 1974 Genesis Live in Montreal Boot Leg alongside two tracks from a 1975 US Tour (2 CD's)... Phil's playing is solid, even more so on the 1975 tracks. It's funny cause between each songs, Peter Gabriel entertains the audience with little stories introducing the next songs... IN FRENCH!!!
March 20th, 2004, 10:22 PM
FuseU1

Quote:

If I can get a hold of Genesis Three Sides Live (UK Version), I'll treat myself listening to Bruford playing Watcher of the Skies

No sh**?! That's too cool...
BB does a "bang-up" job on Hackett's WOTS [w Wetton singing]...
& that Can boot sounds cool AW [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]
I've borrowed Gabe's Secret World Live tour dvd from a family friend; it's a nice dvd...mostly the "poppier" PG stuff, but good nonetheless...Manu does a GREAT job on it [for not being a VC, that is [img]wink.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img] - j/k, just kidding lol]...even takes a few tasty solos AWA some fills...he grooves tight, man....

[ March 20, 2004 06:28 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]
March 20th, 2004, 10:53 PM
peter c

Benrand,

Any more of that Gary and his trio?

I would really like to have some of
that stuff.

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March 20th, 2004, 10:54 PM
benrand

To bring the Bruford/Peart debate full circle, Neil OBVIOUSLY was "influenced" by Bill's ride cymbal work, especially the tasty pattern he played on the Great Deciever off Starless and Bible Black.

It's Neil's signature ride pattern. That was a big deal back in the day to be able to play, with the busy BD pattern underneath...
March 20th, 2004, 11:00 PM
FuseU1

Peter, it sounds like that was actually a boot of a line-up of Allan Holdsworth's group...

BR - NP himself has often given BB credit for being a huge infl on him...AWA, Cobham, Giles, Collins, C Palmer, A White, Buddy...& even Moon, N Olsson, & N Mason, BION...i'm sure i'm missing a few....;=)

[ March 21, 2004 01:16 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]
March 20th, 2004, 11:04 PM
benrand

Pete, you musta posted right before I did... [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

I have a full boot. But have a limited storage space.

I will put the rest up, or at least a larger portion, after a week. If I don't remember to next weekend, shoot me a message or post a thread requesting it.

I have another boot that is currently in SHN format that is really good from the same tour.

Well, let's see I think I have ten MB left...

I have a tune from that boot with Gary's solo...it's 17MB. DAMN, that sounds good...he's going nuts.
March 20th, 2004, 11:09 PM
FuseU1

Quote:

I will put the rest up, or at least a larger portion, after a week. If I don't remember to next weekend, shoot me...

...a MESSAGE...

*Phew*...I'm glad you specified/finished that sentence [img]wink.gif[/img]
...Nothing like an HODHB member gettin on the 10 o'clock news for assaulting another brutha w a deadly weap [img]eek.gif[/img] 4 not sharin' the lub....lol [img]tongue.gif[/img]

The preceding was [not] a paid commercial announcement....

[ March 20, 2004 07:16 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]
March 20th, 2004, 11:10 PM
benrand

Here's one Pete...

LanyardLoop.mp3
March 21st, 2004, 05:03 AM
Lee Collins

I'm not a fan of steve smith's playing, but christ, he has an uberfast right hand on that 3rd clip with VI. [img]eek.gif[/img]
March 21st, 2004, 05:03 PM
FuseU1

I am a huge fan of Smith's for many many yrs...
[It's OK; i still think you're cool, Rudy] [img]wink.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Check out VI 1, Orion [IF you can get your hands on them - good luck!], Fiafiaga, & Vitalive [Gambale's on there too] if you want to hear Stv at some of his finest...

There are also 2 Jeff Berlin albums, the 1st being Vox Humana - Champion [Neil Peart's also on 2 trax, 1 of which is also w SS playing on it with him AW]; another being Players [w Scott Henderson & T Lavitz fr the Dregs - that benr was talking about a little while ago & posted an mp3 of] that has some exemplary SS playing, altho the music or certain sounds might be a little dated for some[?], but i don't think so...of course, the other musicians on these are equally as stellar players... [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]

Check 'em out, if you can...goood stuff...

You know, in some ways, i like his swing feel better than DW's, not so much necessarily from a technical standpoint [even tho he can be very "technical"], but from the more loose, swingy feel he gets, which feels to me more like it came from Elvin & DeJ...it just feels more like what swing is commonly understood to feel like...& his phrasing in jazz is every bit as viable as some of the other heavyweights we speak of in here...
[mind you, that's not to say that we all don't know that DW is still the friggin monster that he is] ;=)...

...& you are right, that VI tune has some blistering up-tempo swing, which is 1 of the things that i really dig about Stv...you can't take away that he's a strong all-around musician...he's got some chops from heck, too, man...& he is & can be VERY musical, AW...he's a great contemporary-meets-trad. jazz drummer...AND, the guy plays with passion, fire, & "Big Juevos," man...i don't know what some guys mean by he's too technical or stiff - i think the guy's got frikkin heart man...i mean, fire...i am listening to All That Is right now...

Check out the intro to it, for one thing, there; heck, the whole tune FTM...the phrasing, right aft the intro sax/gtr/[poss. light keys AW] set-up, when the drums start...nice jazzy stuff, man...he's very musical, IMHO...& Wilzcewski [sax] & Dean Brown deliver devastating crescendo solos...this tune frikkin ROX man...

The guy's been on so many diff recordings of so many diff styles - how can ya begrudge him? [not you personally, Rudy - you're a great addition to this forum ;=)]...

If NP were half the drummer that SS is, he'd be twice the player he is ;=)...

[Notice i didn't say SS was an incredibly funky player, as, say, DC or others...;=)...some guys used to say "he's a little 'too white,'" if you GMD...but, hey, he is what he is, & he's very good at what he's good at/what he does... [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img] ...besides, he has stated he loves Weckl's, Dennis', Vinnie's, & Virgil's playing [NTM Tony, Elv, & DeJ]...

...what some folks find "lacking" in his feel or time is exactly what draws me to him [& reportedly, many of the other great musicians that play & have played with him, including Gambale]...like Peter Erskine, he has a very smooth, liquidy feel, a breathing looseness, which makes the music feel good, & not be so "robotic," so "even-steven," machine-like...if i want spot on meter to the point of ridiculous perfection [which i also dig a great deal], i'll listen to DW or Virg ;=)...SS has a "cool jazz cat" vibe to his approach that i don't mind at all...altho i would say in these later yrs his meter has improved, not that it was ever truly "bad" [to me, that's kind of like "splittin' hairs" ;=)]; he was just, well, human...but at this point in this modern era of drum machines & most "everything to the click," well, you know ;c)...
...[BTW: I do also agree w benr sometimes in the sense that everything doesn't always have to swing all the time, tho ;c)...]

OK, enough of my "in defense of Smith" rant ;=)....

[ March 23, 2004 05:48 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]
March 22nd, 2004, 11:59 AM
benrand

I'm listening to Husband again and what fire and energy...he doesn't hold back and it usually sounds very good...and some nice Tony licks in there...he sounds as fiery as Tony did...as well as ballsy...

I like the sound of this Steve Smith better than the current Swinging Steve Smith. His licks were flashier and crazier...I'm still floored by how smooth and quick his flam technique was. I don't hear him pulling them off like that much anymore.
March 23rd, 2004, 06:40 PM
sjj123

Gots to concur w/ Fuse.......SS is way cool. I've loved his playing for a long while. "Players" is a great album. I sat 5 feet from Steve in Schenectady, NY this month. He can swing!
March 23rd, 2004, 10:04 PM
FuseU1

Orig by benr -

Quote:

I like the sound of this Steve Smith better than the current Swinging Steve Smith. His licks were flashier and crazier...I'm still floored by how smooth and quick his flam technique was. I don't hear him pulling them off like that much anymore.

Don't worry...he still can. ;c)

One of the main things that Smith used to "complain" about [not really, tho ;c)], was that when he was "coming up the ranks" of study, he was learning the "internalized, free-time" way, instead of constantly with a click...that, early on, he would have a little trouble with heavy recording sessions to the click...but since those days yrs. ago, he has been turning this around...

...Besides the occasional "he overplays sometimes" comment [thay NEVER said he couldn't be very musical], the only other thing I used to hear some other drummers [not necessarily other instrumentalists!] critique him on way back then was that he was "too white" [4give me, please don't any1 misenterpret that; no slam here, just repeating a verbally descriptive device used by cats to describe his feel; many of you will know what is meant by that - you know, not quite "funky" enough, or, sometimes, not "on or on-top-of the beat" enuf]...but no one ever ragged on his jazz, fusion, or rock playing...

I just always felt he was an positive & extraordinary contribution to the art/playing field.... [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]

[ March 23, 2004 06:11 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]