but I still like the majority of the 80's glam stuff like Motley Crue, Poison, etc. even if all you supposed glam fans don't.
So shoot me! [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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but I still like the majority of the 80's glam stuff like Motley Crue, Poison, etc. even if all you supposed glam fans don't.
So shoot me! [img]tongue.gif[/img]
An actual music discussion...horrors... [img]wink.gif[/img]
My take is that too many people actually believed all the bullshit hype about Nirvana killing off glam". As far as I'm concerned, "glam" in the 1980s died circa 1983, with a few ripples in 84, 85, and 86. Motley had a great image in the beginning, but fucked it up trying to imitate Wrathchild starting in the late part of 1992. They just catered to those ignorant critics who kept lying that all 1980s "glam" was just influenced by KISS and imitating them as well.
Also, the late 1980s "hairband" shit was not glam, it was nothing but pretty Metallica, which was the standard the critics used to judge everything by.
Regarding newer bands, when people stop allowing "glam" to be pushed into a solely 1980s nostalgia, then things will be better.
Remember, the media embraced Grunge not so much as a musical wave, but as a way to ignore glam completely.
An actuall music topic...fancy that... [img]wink.gif[/img]
...and as for ridiculing the old bands, they need to quit acting so fucking stupid, thinking they are at The Whiskey with beautiful young groupies waiting to swive their fucking eyes out. They also need to, if they go on tour, to give some of the younger bands a break here and there. Personally, I think Syl Mizrahi(Sylvain) was on the mark having bands such as JJ's old band open for him.
If "glam" is going to be anything other than a camp joke, people need to, for one, attack the whole idea of "grunge" as even being more than a media-induced spasm being forced on people by the likes of MTV.
The old bands should indeed still be playing The Whiskey, because it is a little dive, not some huge arena. I agree that they shouldn't be acting like asses, and should be grateful that fans still come out and see them. I still praise Stevie Rachelle for showing this dignified manner in Manchester a couple of years ago, when Tuff pulled about 50 people. Soil were in the room next door and packed all the kids in. Stevie was still gracious to his fans.
I still consider the 'late 80s hairband shit' to have been glamorous, but that's just me. The market was over-saturated, and there was a fair amount of mediocre acts.
Old bands that are continuing to tour in the UK usually have local talent supporting, so by getting out to the clubs I still get to see a fair share of promising new bands (at least UK ones).
I don't think attacking other styles of music will stop glam being a 'camp joke'. I do like some nu-metal and pop-punk stuff as well. I just think we should be more positive about the stuff that keeps us into glam, rather than beating down on the stuff we don't like.
I'll try to stop taking the piss out of the Darkness, but I just can't take the sparkly leotards seriously.
Stace...
I still love Poison, and all other 80's bands.
AS for Motley....I can't say I liked them too much..I do own some cds from them though...but I can only hear like 2 tunes before Vinces Voice gets on my nerves. Hince the way he sings in SHOUT AT THE DEVIL...sounds like a midget on helium.
But hey if ya like 'em...cool man...aint' nothing wrong with that. Look at me I love Roxx Gang...people hate them here...but eh...I just don't pay attention.
What the hell are you talking about??? Everybody on this blasted site is stuck in that damn rut, and that is my problem with this joint. Nobody wants to hear new stuff, unless it is done by the old people, or done in the style of the old stuff. I think I am pretty much going to go along with Gav on this one and give up trying to find new stuff to give to folk here (I'll just PM ya Raggz). Yeah, the old stuff is cool, but how many times can ya spin the old stuff before desiring to hear something new? Not attacking you Stacey, but what you said is quite opposite of what this site has become all about. I never see anybody wanting to discuss new stuff. Shame really, as there is some great new stuff out there. Sure, it may not be the brilliance and timeless qualities of classic PBF (heh, you decide how much sarcasm I use in that statement), but it is still strong stuff that ROCKS.
I agree with ya Carl...about putting new bands up in here...
I few get noticed....but then most are just pushed away....only to get bumped down with a Who's Reunited POST.
I'm not talking about the lack of response to threads on new bands. I'm talking about ridiculing the old bands. That's why glam gets treated as a joke.
I just don't see much appreciation around these days. And a lot of the time I can't be bothered to log in to reply to threads. I guess I'm just as much as fault as the next guy.
Stace...
Ya let something said bother what ya listen to.
Ya gotta listen to what ya feel ya want to.
As I said....I listen to stuff that others would joke or make fun of, bit hey if it's what I like to listen to...then I sure in hell ain't gonna give a rats ass what others think.
What I'm saying is what ya like ya like...no opinion or band being made fun of...should make someone disappointed. As for Glam being made fun of...I dont' think it's the glam genre...I think what makes a band made fun of is there ridiculous antics...as in Poison with the whole Poison girls bit and you can't be with that girl cuz it's Bobbys...see now that alone...is making them a joke...now is it peoples faults for making Poison a joke?...no...it's Poison themselves for being they way they are.
Comparisons to The Carpenters???
I know you was only joking.
haha...it was a joke Stace....Just to see what people would choose...ahaha. I myself would put myself thru the torcher of listening to the carpenters before I put on BOD...but see that's me.
Ya just gotta listen to what ya listen to...if someone joke around bout a band...with me is WHO CARE'S I like them so that's all that matters.
As in ROXX GANG..hell I love them bigtime...others hate them and make jokes...but eh...They will always be a fave of mine...no matter who says what.
okay so maybe the Carpenters was the wrong band to compare....Hmmmm?
How 'bout Brides Of Destruction or The Wiggles?
ehehehe...kidding.
<font size="3" face="Arial">I saw that as a rip on Lycan more than on the actual bands.Quote:
Originally posted by Stacey.:
Comparisons to The Carpenters???
I make fun of the old bands such as Motley, Poison, Warrant and such due to my always hating them and never personally considering them part of MY "Glam world". I have made fun of those bands since they first hit the scene and have always thought they deserved every single bit of ridicule that they ever got. In interviews they were idiots and they never tried to show the style they played to be anything but stuff to get drunk and laid to. The music was nothing but an excuse to get drunk and laid. I always found them an insult to the style they claimed to be a part of. Even when Marc Bolan was trying to get laid, he did it in a brilliant way that was VERY smart.
But hey, if people love the stuff, then all is cool. You will notice I don't say much anymore about those bands, as I have decided it wasn't cool to always have a negative comment about what some people love. I don't hear the stuff the same as the fans of those bands do, and thats cool. Hell, Raggz has made numerous posts in the past few weeks about his liking of Roxx, and I have said NOTHING. I also kept my mouth shut about that "Blaq" band, for the most part. I am REALLY impressed with myself that I kept as quiet as I did about that one. [img]wink.gif[/img]
I think perhaps my sense of humor just deserted me for a while. I'll shut up.
LOL@Carl...
Just don't mention KISS or AC/DC or I'll go postal!!!...LOL!!!!
<font size="3" face="Arial">No need to shut-up, it's nice that there is a conversation going on here that I actually give two shits about. [img]wink.gif[/img]Quote:
Originally posted by Stacey.:
I think perhaps my sense of humor just deserted me for a while. I'll shut up.
The thing about our scene is that we've never treated it as disposably as the critics and mainstream would have. We cling to old bands and pick up new ones as we go. Do I still love listening to Poison 24/7? No. Will I toss my cds just because I might go a month or two without tossing on in? No. There are a great many artists I fancied for a bit (D2, Trixter, Vixen) and grew weary of. I hate Slaughter. I hate any post-s/t Firehouse. That said, I have found many underground bands from that era (Quireboys, Blue Tears, Blackfish, etc.) that I love. I won't give up on them just to 'move on'. When I discovered glam punk, I didn't render my cd collection meaningless. I just added them to the mix and enjoy the wide variety of artists that I have. I might outgrow music but, being a timeless media, I will never grow old of an artist simply due to their output.
Also, fans like us have rather discerning tastes, to be sure. I still laugh whenever somebody calls me a snob. lmao 2002 was one of the best years EVER for cds. Most of those bands were 'newer' artists. Scrit Scratt, SSC, Peppermint Creeps, Roller, American Heartbreak, Robin Black, etc. I will never get into some artists, but that's due to my taste. All of us on here have that same passion, that same individuality, that the music industry loathes.
That's what makes our shared interests the most special of all musics out there. [img]biggrin.gif[/img]
I don't know man, I think many of us on this site are way too forgiving of stuff. Some of what I have seen praised on this site surprises me, and scares me to think it is what the style has to offer, and really tells me that if we don't get somebody out there soon, then the style will indeed start to fade away and turn to the rare underground band.
The Glam style is like any other style, it's followers are rabid and dedicated. I still think the most impressive of all the music fans out there would have to be the fans of Progressive Rock. That shit hasn't been truely popular since the mid-70's, and yet those fans keep plugging along and sticking to the stuff. There was a slight ressurgence of the style in the 80's, but then it was ripped by the purists, and created two camps in the style, the classic fans and the Neo fans.
But for every style out there, you will find fanbases that stick to their style and learn every nook and cranny of it.
What drives me crazy about the Glam scene though is the lack of care in the products. So many of the releases sound like pure shit. I don't care if these bands are doing it themselves, if you listen to the majority of the self-produced Prog stuff out there, most times you can't tell it isn't a major label release. Plus, the scene is dying for people to be involved, so crap musicians are put in place just because they can kind of play, and they like the style. Some of these bands are terrible in one aspect or another.
The old stuff will always have a following, as long as the new stuff is such crap. It's a shame really, since all of these bands have one or two great talents in them, and then are dragged down by something sloppy. Then there are the people who I believe have a shitload of talent (here I will name Kiko and Andii) and yet are bogged by not finding the ability to get the stuff out in a good fashion.
Yeah, I still love some old bands and I always will. Hell, I'm on a Cheap Trick kick right now and buying all of the albums. Odd that I never owned more than a couple at a time. The old stuff will survive, if it was good. Some of the old stuff that was bad will survive because it is good to somebody. Never make excuses for what you like, and never apologize for liking it. Unless it's Roxx Gang, that shit is just wrong.
I'm assuming you're talking about Asia/Yes in the 80's?
I agree that a lot of the scene is shit right now. How many good to great bands only released one awesome cd? Celebrity Skin, Star Star, Orphan Punks, Big Bang Babies and Jerry Vayne come to mind. PBF's first was awesome but they've just regurgitated it since. Trash Brats still amaze me by their output as do Enuff Z'nuff and American Heartbreak. The thing about the scene is that we are cool with bands that never even managed a proper release (QBP, Revlon Red, and Andii come to mind). We see the magic within. The music is the key. Even if it's 25th generation bootleg, we still appreciate it.
That said, a lot of releases by the bands supposedly in the scene, I will never buy. BOD and Velvet Revolver are examples of this. The image and bluster is there, but the music, imo, is shit. Same goes for many 80's bands like Slaughter, Warrant, and others. Of that era, I'll buy anything Poison releases that is new. Other than that, it's gotta be underground for me. Unfortunately, the majors only see what they push. You think they have any idea who HTM or Vain are? I really doubt it.
I gave that BOD another chance yesterday. My buddy was being lent it, so I decided to give it a go. The main problem there is a severe lack of identity. They have no idea what they want to be, and when they flip styles there is no consistent voice or sound, and none of what they do really fits well. It's also horribly dated.
As for the Prog stuff, yeah, Asia you could say. But also bands like Marillion and IQ, and even the classic bands that tried modernizing such as Camel and Eloy. Eloy lost all original members except for Frank Bornnham, and he employed a keyboard guru and all the music turned to synths and drum machines with Franks guitar, and the true Prog style left.
Finally in the 90's bands such as Porcupine Tree, Spocks Beard and Anglagard took the style back, and used the classic ideas, but modernized brilliantly and saved the music. Marillion's album "Brave" also breathed fresh life into the style. In the later 90's one of the saviors of Prog has been a band named Arena, who oddly enough was formed by ousted Marillion drummer Mick Pointer.
Try and find my guilty pleasure in music. [img]wink.gif[/img]
I take it that you'd possibly like the ELP and King Crimson box sets for your upcoming 57th birthday? [img]wink.gif[/img]
btw, I like to call it 'art rock' [img]biggrin.gif[/img]
<font size="3" face="Arial">Nope, never liked ELP and was only somewhat interested in Crimson. I am actually over the whole Prog thing, and never listen to it anymore. That stuff really kills your interest in it if you listen to too much of it.Quote:
Originally posted by Cotton Candy Lover:
I take it that you'd possibly like the ELP and King Crimson box sets for your upcoming 57th birthday? [img]wink.gif[/img]
I don't like the term Art Rock as it sounds pretentious (which the style is very much so) and very Art Phag like.
When did Wingy get talent?
I am impressed if you really truely knew that I have a birthday coming up. [img]eek.gif[/img]
<font size="3" face="Arial">I never meant that attacking would do what you say. What I was trying to say was that keeping "glam" thought of in people's minds as being lame, late 1980s "hairbands" would leave things open to ridicule in the sense of that alone.Quote:
Originally posted by Stacey.:
The old bands should indeed still be playing The Whiskey, because it is a little dive, not some huge arena. I agree that they shouldn't be acting like asses, and should be grateful that fans still come out and see them. I still praise Stevie Rachelle for showing this dignified manner in Manchester a couple of years ago, when Tuff pulled about 50 people. Soil were in the room next door and packed all the kids in. Stevie was still gracious to his fans.
I still consider the 'late 80s hairband shit' to have been glamorous, but that's just me. The market was over-saturated, and there was a fair amount of mediocre acts.
Old bands that are continuing to tour in the UK usually have local talent supporting, so by getting out to the clubs I still get to see a fair share of promising new bands (at least UK ones).
I don't think attacking other styles of music will stop glam being a 'camp joke'. I do like some nu-metal and pop-punk stuff as well. I just think we should be more positive about the stuff that keeps us into glam, rather than beating down on the stuff we don't like.
I'll try to stop taking the piss out of the Darkness, but I just can't take the sparkly leotards seriously.
The Darkness is a camp joke themselves. They are only getting publicity because the media sees them that way. They may or may not be taking the piss, but I do give them credit for being able to manipulate the barking, panting puppies in the media the way they have.
Thanks to "post-modernism", it will be impossible to tell who is serious and who isn't.
<font size="3" face="Arial">Nope, never liked ELP and was only somewhat interested in Crimson. I am actually over the whole Prog thing, and never listen to it anymore. That stuff really kills your interest in it if you listen to too much of it.Quote:
Originally posted by Carl I.:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="3" face="Arial">Originally posted by Cotton Candy Lover:
I take it that you'd possibly like the ELP and King Crimson box sets for your upcoming 57th birthday? [img]wink.gif[/img]
I don't like the term Art Rock as it sounds pretentious (which the style is very much so) and very Art Phag like.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="3" face="Arial">RETURN OF THE MANTICORE it is!!! You'll love the pompousness of Art Rock gods, ELP!!! Why, even listening, you will understand how unworthy you are to be in their presence. It will be like going to a Yngwie concert but without all that distracting talent. [img]wink.gif[/img] lmao
Too old to rock???NEVER!!!!You can never be too young or too old to rock!!
Why must we endlessly analyze this??? Who gives a rats ass who agree's with our personal likes/dislikes,etc. I think this board is getting stagnant for sure,nothing new EVER. I am listening to newer stuff with an open ear and mind. I will not however come here and look for validation on my musical tastes(or anything else for that matter)but it would be nice to discuss something other than the same 10 topics which seem to be endlessly re-arranged or engage in the same pissing contests OVER AND OVER...Siiiighhhh.
So start the ball rolling then if you feel that strongly about it.
Any new bands you can recommend to us people living in the Dark Ages (well, me apparently)?
I made a post and it kept people busy for a couple of days. Make a new topic and don't bump this if it doesn't interest you.
Sorry if that sounds harsh, but you know how these things drag out.
If people want this place to liven up, they've gotta do something about it.
Interesting topic. First off, I'd like to say that while "glam" brought us all here in the first place, I think it's our love of music in general which keeps us here. The musical arguments are one of my favorite aspects on this board......and I've met some truly great friends on this board, even though my musical tastes are different than most. It doesn't matter. I hate Prog, and Carl hates what I love, but I love Carl's take on what he thinks. If we all loved the same thing it would be boring. Many of us have common interests in certain styles, but I don't think there is a band out there that everyone here loves, even like Ramones or HTM have a few detractors. I'm not a big Cheap Trick or EZN fan, but I think they both have some good stuff. Myself, I would consider myself more of a pop fan, than glam, but in a lot of cases they are the same, but I love and still listen to all the 80's stuff...even the hair bands....and yeah, I love Roxx Gang. I even really like a lot of Grunge bands. Of course it was in my back yard, and a lot of them were glam in the beginning, and evolved. I like a lot of the late 90's alternative stuff too. I never really know what I'll like, until I hear it, and sometimes it even takes awhile before I figure out that I like it.
That's why I alwayz give new stuff a chance, cuz ya never know. I would check out every link that Carl and Raggz, and everyone lese post if I didn't have such a slow pc, and shitty connection. I really can't hear anything without a 15-20 minute download and numerous skips and pauses. It's useless. That's the main reason I joined the glitzistaff to do reviews. There's no feeling in the world like discovering a new band. I remember the day I discovered Vain. I was heading out of town for a 6 hour road trip, and bought Vain and Don Dokken's solo album. I listened to Vain first, since they were new to me..loved it. Then Dokken, for a few songs, then decided I had to listen to Vain again....and again and again for the whole damn trip.....and on the way back too. I still listen to them, and every other 80's band proudly. Although I will say most 80's bands new stuff really ain't that good. I alternate with other stuff quite often, but I don't feel old. I also say, fuck it, listen to what you want to. I'd also like to say that I've enjoyed discovering Scritt Scrat and Andii's, Kari's, Ash's, and many other's music throught this site. I'm looking forward to hearing Billy's new stuff. Kiko's is great.
Carry on.
Stacey,I realized after I made my post that I had not added "no offense meant to Stacey". The post was not directed to you or any one person for that matter,I was merely expressing my thoughts as of late. I have attempted to add new things as have others but the truth is if you really watch closely the threads that get the most feedback are the same ol same ol's. Just my observarion,maybe its skewed,who knows. Anyway,irony being what it is ,I really have nothing new to add at this time as presently I'm listening to a Billy Idol C.D. so I'm being retro myself at this time. Carry on.
To Stacey and others:
If you're too old then I'm too dead to rock n' roll!
Seriously, though temporarily out of action, I WILL be back behind the kit as soon as possible
EVEN AT MY AGE!!!!!!! [img]graemlins/music.gif[/img] [img]wink.gif[/img]