Star Wars ep III

Talking of ignorant American film-makers, anyone watched any of the Star Wars 3 production clips on the official site?
There's one where after we see all the design work going on for the movie Lucas turns around and says; "Hey, I better start writing the script!"

What a twat! [img]mad.gif[/img]

Looking forward to seeing it though, y'know, even though it's just a bunch of special effects and blue screens and stuff and he's bastardizing the history of film-making rant rant etc.... anyone else feel the same?

Completely! He has taken something cool (Star Wars) and turned it into an embarrassment with those shite prequel 'things'. I'm quite pissed off with Lucas for doing that.

I really think a trained chimp could have turned in something better than TPM and AOTC - they truly are examples of terrible terrible film-making. What a mess! I like to pretend they don't even exist (I must add I was a HUGE Star Wars fan as a child - as most blokes of my generation were).

I will go to see number 3 out of curiosity but after his last two lame attempts I'm going in with VERY low expectations. Apparently the title of it is now rumoured to be 'The Birth of the Empire' (not 'The Creeping Fear' as originally rumoured).

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ May 18, 2004 11:59 AM: Message edited by: Justin M. ]</font>

Lucas is a tit! But I am looking forward to it so to complete the story!

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Originally posted by Kev O.:
"Hey, I better start writing the script!"

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I could rant all day about Lucas! He has become more and more obsessed with effects to the point that, as the quote above demonstrates, he really doesn't care about ANYTHING else. And that is his big mistake - despite the wads of cash - he has no credibility at all. He's a cheap sell-out whore!

And the worst thing about it is that he probably knows that most people are going to go and see it anyway (me included).

I hope Peter Jackosn's LOTR films (wads of cash with crediblity) make him feel ashamed of himself. It's hard to believe that the same person that made American Graffiti (and even the original Star Wars) made those prequels. Michael Moore should make a film about HIM - George Lucas: The Destroyer of Childhoods! [img]wink.gif[/img]

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ May 18, 2004 11:50 AM: Message edited by: Justin M. ]</font>

DESPIN OWNS YOU

Fanboy??? What the hell are you talking about?

Try watching the production clips I mentioned then you may understand why it annoyed me enough to label him a 'twat', in fact, make it 'fat bearded twat' for good measure- instead of merely dismissing people as fanboys.

I could just as easy dismiss you as a cynic who has his toungue firmly stuck up Luca's arse.

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Erm.. That's pretty standard practice though on something of this scale.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Rubbish. But I suppose it explains the cringe-worthy dialogue and mediocre narrative of the SW prequels.

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I don't get how that makes him ignorant

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The film-making technique Lucas now employs makes him pretty ignorant to how he used to make good films.

Pretty ironic that Lucas is slowly turning into Jabba the Hutt, everyone else runs around him whilst he sits on his ass, munching scorpions.

I disagree despin

I agree mostly with what Kev says [img]redface.gif[/img]

Hey there.

"Try watching the production clips I mentioned then you may understand why it annoyed me enough to label him a 'twat',"

I'm pretty sure I have seen it. I remember the quote.

"Rubbish. But I suppose it explains the cringe-worthy dialogue and mediocre narrative of the SW prequels."

That is down to his talent as a writer. Not the way a production of this scale works.

To site the other filmmaker in this thread as an example.

Peter Jackson has had his art department working on King Kong for over a year. Designing the set's costumes, creatures, building cg models and basically prepping the movie.

Just a few months back Jackson was on the record as saying they are yet to write the script. They are starting from scratch.

But because the movie is so big and they know roughly what they need they get started now on all the stuff that they can get started on.

Does that make Jackson a fat bearded kiwi twat?

and I didn't call you a fanboy. I said the things you said are typical fanboy comments. I mean calling the guy a twat and ignorant and now making fun of the guys fuckin weight????

I mean what the fuck??? If that isn't typical fanboy whining I don't know what is.

"The film-making technique Lucas now employs makes him pretty ignorant to how he used to make good films."

Go do some research into the production of the Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi. Or go look at the making of indiana Jones. He had his art department working on those films as soon as he had the idea he was going to make the films. Before he even hired a writer for india Jones they had concept drawings of characters and locations and sequences they would like to see in the film. Shit.. I think they even made up posters.

Does this make both him and Spielberg ignorant bearded American twats?

"I could just as easy dismiss you as a cynic who has his tongue firmly stuck up Luca's arse."

Whatever dude... Say what you like. I ain't the one slagging the shit out of filmmakers and throwing personal insults around at people I don't know because they dared to make a film that wasn't as good I I'd hoped it would be.

Like I said. I'm no die hard star wars or Lucas fan. I enjoyed all the movies Ive seen of his. But I enjoyed The Fellowship of the Ring more than pretty much anything he has ever done.

I have my tongue up neither Lucas's or Jacksons ass.

Despin out.

Surely it's fair to praise good films and criticise poor ones. Especially when the film-maker in question was in a position to do whatever he wanted. It's just a shame that he didn't aim a bit higher than purely a special FX showreel.

Even the actors in these films have criticised them.

Although Phantom Menace was a bore, I thought Attack Of The Clones was fun. I showed it to my Newphew who is three and he loved it. Just the same as I loved the original movies when I was around that age (I also liked Alien and Misery-Pretty fucked up)

So what if Lucas is just doing this for the money. He wasn't always this way.

If you feel so bad about Lucas, go back and watch American graffiti, or even the original Star Wars for that matter.

What about the title? Supposedly it's Birth Of The Empire, though I heard a rumour that it was called Revenge Of The Sith.

Both in The Sun, though Birth Of The Empire was yesterday, so maybe it's true.

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If you feel so bad about Lucas, go back and watch American graffiti, or even the original Star Wars for that matter.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah but that would be boring and wouldn't have resulted in such a heated debate. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

And as to that 'fanboy' or 'you're not a kid anymore' comment - surely it's fairly clear that with the prequels when comparing to the originals regardless of age or being a fan or not:
a) the actual story is weaker
b) the structuring of that story is very poor
c) the dialogue is weaker (the originals were pretty bad but the new ones are dire)
d) the acting is weaker (as c above)
e) the actual look is less interesting

IMO Lucas could resolve all of the above by putting a little more emphasis on his screenplay and worrying less about SFX and planet designs (he has the best people doing that for him). I think it's fair to point out where we think (rightly or wrongly) he is going wrong.

And they are definitely more toddler-friendly. [img]wink.gif[/img]

When I think about the new Star Wars movies, the only thing that goes through my head is the courtroom scene from the "Clerks" cartoon...

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<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ May 18, 2004 04:42 PM: Message edited by: Untamed Aggression ]</font>

As I said Despin, I'll be going to see ep. III along with everyone else (including the others that slag him off). I guess the bitterness comes from the feeling that if given the chance, so many others could have done a better job than him! And I wouldn't be going to see it had it not been for episodes IV onwards!

The insults are deserved I feel in the sense that the man has been seduced by the lure of the computer! He's a god-damned CG junkie, and no-body at Skywalker Ranch has the balls to say; "Gee George, y'do realise that Jar-Jar Binks looks shit, talks shit, and is... shit!"

You mention pre-planning in other movies, but it has blatantly gotten worse in terms of general laziness, proven by the fact that eps. I and II are generally regarded as poor.

As for Indianna Jones and the earlier Star Wars films, if he could have- they'd all be 100% CG, and they'd all be ruined as a result.

Jackson is a good example because he knows why and when it's good to use CG, and when NOT. And fair enough, you may not have your tongue up anyone's ass, but I assure you this is not typical fanboy whining- if you've looked on the site and seen those clips then you must've seen some of the forum thread headings, and this thread has got nothing on that!

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Originally posted by Kev O.:
Michael Moore should make a film about HIM - George Lucas: The Destroyer of Childhoods!

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I love the animations and feature films and tv-programs that I saw when I was a child. And I hate those, what they call "childrens programs" of today. I just wonder... might there be something related to these memories of the best movies and programs from our childhood in this matter..?

I think George Lucas can do what ever he likes with his 9 episodes. He invented it in the first place for christ sake! It's his, no matter how much you love the episodes 4-6 that you saw when you were children.

- Jari -

Ps. But I do agree that he could have done a better job as a director... And I also hate the "plastic looking" 3D work, but I love the storyline and waiting to see how it all ends in the episode 9 if he ever get's it done and not drop dead before. For me it's still the geatest saga in films.

Pps. I also think that in some point in the future the FXs are a common thing in every film (they allready are in hollywood) and George Lucas is making a good job developing these FXs so that they in some point might be "watchable" for us critical viewers. It's sad that he might be ruining the Star Wars while doing this...

Hey there.

"Talking of ignorant American film-makers, anyone watched any of the Star Wars 3 production clips on the official site?
There's one where after we see all the design work going on for the movie Lucas turns around and says; "Hey, I better start writing the script!"

"What a twat!"

Erm.. That's pretty standard practice though on something of this scale. When you are literally creating entire worlds and entire species and technologies.

I wouldn't say that makes him a "twat".

He may well know that his script is going to feature a water planet and a race of people that live on their... Or that their is going to be a new kind of death star style weapon of mass destruction. It makes perfect sense that he would get his crew to get right to work on it.

They are designing the worlds his script is set it.

I don't get how that makes him ignorant or what being American has to do with it.

Well it makes perfect sense to me....

"I really think a trained chimp could have turned in something better than TPM and AOTC - they truly are examples of terrible terrible film-making. What a mess! I like to pretend they don't even exist"

"I must add I was a HUGE Star Wars fan as a CHILD"

You do realise you are not a child now thought don't you?

"he has no credibility at all. He's a cheap sell-out whore!"

???

What and when did he sell out? When he made American Graffiti?

And what are you talking about "credibility"?

Man I enjoyed every star wars film I ever saw. I ain't no super fan though.

All the above sounds like the usual fanboy whining to me.

And it's very telling that every one of you are still going to see whatever this cheap, ignorant American sell out whore/twat makes next...

And people call HIM the idiot.

"I hope Peter Jackson's LOTR films (wads of cash with crediblity)"

You See tis is the thing with fanboys. The second Jackson makes something they don't like they will turn on him and just find someone new to worship.

Despin out.

Its bang on a year away, may 19th 2005, i heard it could be called the birth of the empire, hes bin fucking with return of the jedi for the dvd in sept, heres a pic from it.http://www.cash-productions.com/jedi.jpg

fraid Im with Despin on this one.

Sure I loved the first 3 StarWars films as a kid, but that was then and this is now.

These days I find peoples loyalty to this franchise cringeworthy -

Lucas is obviously far more interested in business than film making - which he was never very good at anyway. He just hitched a ride with Speilburg for a while, before realising his skills were in business - selling plastic crap to kids.

The Star Wars films are promo's for his Industrial Light and Magic company, and adverts for toys.
Everyone knows that.

Because for many of my generation Star Wars was the first film they fell in love with - and they cant face up to the idea of a hero disapointing them - welcome to the world. Heros disapoint....

It seems to me that star wars fans constantly forgive Lucas for making shitty "films", and dutifully line up to buy tickets for his next, knowing that they wont enjoy it.
Why?
And why complain afterwards when you knew it would be shite?
They dont really care so long as there is banter and wingeing afterwards.

Really....move on.....he does NOT make films, these are promos.

That picture must be fake.

Please tell me it is and that i am stupid for even possible considering that it might be genuine.

Greedo shooting first is one thing...

Speaking as someone who has a whopping collection of star wars toys that devalues (like the associated childhood memories) with each crappy prequel I feel I have to add my own pissy, whiny fanboy rant to this thread. I cannot understand how anyone could defend these movies. Usually that defence hinges around the phrase "the kids love it". Big fat hairy deal. "The Kids" love any movie that comes out and has a Macdonald's tie-in. Doesn't make them good movies.
Lucas no longer has any idea what made the original movie so great. All the flashy kid dazzling effects in the world can't hide huge leaps in logic, lame dialogue, dull characters and everything else that makes the prequels so shit.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm sure he meant that as a joke. Just like Yoda fighting with lightsabers, Jar Jar, Greedo shooting first, "the planet core", Darth Maul's exclusion from Phantom Menace, Ewan Mcgregor's hair cut, Yoda having all the military command skills of Field Marshall Hague and Zap Brannigan (wave after wave of my men are at your disposal...), Darth Sidious! Darth Tyrannus?!?, "I'll try spinning that's a good trick"... I could go on. Really I could.

Hmmm maybe I did just post that rant after all.

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selling plastic crap to kids

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lol @ "I'll try spinning thats a good trick"

just an example of the shittest dialogue ever written.

i haven't read a thread like this in 5 to 10!

Upon hearing of the new title, me and my friends have finally completed our Star Wars porn movies.

Stars Whores 1:The Anal Menace

Star Whores 2:Attack Of The Bones

Star Whores 3: Girth Of The Empire

Star Whores 4:A New Grope

Star Whores 5:The Empire Strikes From The Back

Star Whores 6:Return Of Thee Jap's Eye

There's also Schindler's Fist and Forrest Hump, though I now hear that's a real one.

Also, Angelina Jolie in lesbo romp-Lara Croft:Womb Raider