Old Vinnie with Zappa?

hey guys, i have been hangin' around this board for about a year now, throwing in a comment, ohhhh...rarely ever!. anyway, i hope i am not bringing up something you guys have already ground into the dirt, but here goes! i have most everything vinnie has played on, and notice the most talked about zappa recording is the *joe's garage* album. but does anyone own or have heard what i think is pure genius, zappa's SHUT UP 'N PLAY YER GUITAR? there is some great vinnie on this record.(not to mention great guitar playing as well) it's twenty five years old, we all know vinnie is a better player today, but there is still some untouchable playing on this record. just in case some of you haven't heard it, i am posting a couple tunes for you. i hope you like it!

this tune is called (in jest) *VARIATIONS ON THE CARLOS SANTANA SECRET CHORD PROGRESSIONS* the opening drum fill is pure vinnie! awesome!
http://www.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=B...2A1A24C7B6BF5B

this one is *HEAVY DUTY JUDY*. other than the obvious mr. colaiuta, check out the sick ass backwards bass player (arthur barrow)
http://www.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1...A7CB21882C2F03

and lastly *FIVE-FIVE-FIVE* singles strokes up the wazoooo!
http://www.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=5...1DFC8511262720

cheers!
peter

When I was younger, I bought the Guitar book of "Shut up and Play Your Guitar" because I thought I could try to read the drum charts.....LMAO

I would sit in my room and listen to the album (yes album!) and read the charts at the same time.

Well...I was kind of sucessful anyway.
Never was able to actually play them though.

Ahhh to be young again.

By the way the charts were transcribed by Steve Vai.

i cant agree enough... i have that double cd.. five five five.. blows me away... vinnie accelerates through the whole tune.... quite a contrast to another tune in 5.. oh i dont know.. seven days ...

Vai was paid a dollar a page for the work. Vai was 18 and though this was the 70's and minimum wage was probably around $2.00 hour, I still think he could have gotten the labor department on Zappa's butt for gross underpayment. ;-)

Brad

Yeah, some very Tony-ish off-the-cuff blowing by Vinnie. Still some of my favorite playing of his, and he was, I think, all of about 21 or 22 at this point! Unbelievable. He went to some really interesting places rhythmically during his time with Zappa (this recording was basically a compilation of instrumental jams taken from various live shows during that time), and this recording captures it beautifully.

Over at easytree.org there are a few Zappa boots with Vinnie available as torrent downloads.

Shut Up and Play Yer Guitar is the best. It's a 3 cd (record) set and as it says on the inside some of the music will "Curl your toes" Vinnies great on that. Beat it w/ your fist and return of the son of...are probably my favorites

SUNPYG BLEW ME AWAY.

It was the early 80's & I thought Neil was god.
I first heard that album sometime in early '84.

Much of Vnnie's off-the-cuff playing on there was way over my head ATT, as I was just starting out. What i heard was strange & beautiful, exciting & new, & BALL'S ALL OUT. Some of it i couldnt yet understand, but i new this was some seriously heavy sh** compared to what i had heard previously [da** wussy-a**ed pop radio [img]wink.gif[/img] ]. Unbridled rippin'.

Then Vinnie came in clinic w T Landers '84, & cleaned EVERYONE'S clock in town/sent the cocky bad-boys packin'.

This album wiped that cocky, "I'm a drummer, & my favorite drummer is better than yours" smirk right off the face of anyone I played it to...except the multitudes where it just flew right over & past their heads [those Unfortunate Ones that simply "Could Not Grasp"] [img]wink.gif[/img] ...1 of these partly being me!!

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ July 27, 2004 01:47 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>

Hey Zomby,
Yeah, I have to agree, Shut Up N'Play Yer Guitar contains some amazing Vinnie jems. I love that opening fill on VARIATIONS ON THE CARLOS SANTANA SECRET CHORD PROGRESSIONS as well. However, the transcription book for that album that Vai did is a mess. Most of those transcriptions are not accurate and contain a lot of errors. Our own Marc Atkinson(of Unreel Drumbook fame)has transcribed most of this album and his charts are pretty much spot on. If I'm not mistaken, he can play a good deal of that stuff too.
CB

Yeah i have heard that, but according to Marc he was hopefull. I know he was talking with Joe Travers.

Cool. Hope it works out. That's a "gem waiting to be auctioned."
So, i would take a wild guess, & say that it's safe to say that Marc appreciates Vinnie, too [img]wink.gif[/img] ...cool...he's DEF one of US ;c)

BTW - Looks like yousendit has "5-5-5" blocked... [img]frown.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbs_down.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/whatever.gif[/img]
Evidently it was one of the "more popular" DLs around here...can't for the life of me imagine why... ;c)

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ July 27, 2004 01:46 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>

Fuse,
Does Marc appreciate Vinnie? Is a frog's rear tight in water? Marc is probably (next to me of course) one of the biggest Vinnie freaks out there. How many guys do you know that will call you up and play Vinnie's "Panty Rap" lick off of Tinseltown for you over the phone.
Randy,
I get the impression from Marc that talks with Gail and Joe aren't really going anywhere.

Kewl, being that you talk to him more than I......... [img]graemlins/cry.gif[/img]

Now Randy, don't start! [img]wink.gif[/img]

HOD/HB Constitutional Amendment rule #147 -
There shall be no "one-upmanship" of fellow members...
[img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]cool.gif[/img]

...unless it's done in wickedly debased humor... [img]wink.gif[/img]

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ July 27, 2004 02:01 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>

Fuse,
Do you mean that the tune 555 is blocked or the transcription of 555?

lol
[When you click on zomby's 3rd & last link at top.]
Not the transc -- & just where the @#$%& is THAT around here anyway?! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Hey, zomb, i likes yo quote - "a moron knows how strong he is...but a genius knows how weak he is"...& i would also add, ..."& so a genius must tolerate a he** of a lot of morons!"...;c)

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ July 27, 2004 02:17 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>

Hey Chris
Thanks for all the kind words
I would be willing to share my transcription of 555 with all the HOD members. I just need to know how to do it can you help me out? [img]wink.gif[/img]

Ooooo...I just knew that it was you, Zap-At [img]wink.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]
Like Hipskind, you toy w us, AW... [img]tongue.gif[/img]
Urok, dood. [img]cool.gif[/img]

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ July 27, 2004 03:08 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>

Guys,
Help me out here. I'm not sure how Marc should go about this either. Steve,Randy,Derek, whatdaya think?
CB

Ed, show him the sign.

Email it to Steve or myself and we'll upload and link on the Vinnie page. (with your credits of course)

i love you guys! and i'm not afraid to say it! hey tom (hipskind) i am actually a very good friend of chris clemente's. i have seen you with KTC a few times. next time i will be sure to introduce myself.
peter

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Marc Atkinson (of Unreel Drumbook fame)has transcribed most of this album and his charts are pretty much spot on. If I'm not mistaken, he can play a good deal of that stuff too.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, hot dayaamm! [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img] Nice.
And where can you get THAT "little" gem?! ;c) [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]cool.gif[/img]

If he transcribes the fills, reading some of that might be like staring at a huge tightly knit spider web. NTM the writer's cramp & migrane he musta got.
[img]graemlins/party.gif[/img]
...["Writer's cramp"...similar to that cramp between the thumb & index of an improper grip]...;c)

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ July 27, 2004 12:06 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>

Fuse,
You crack me up! You might be able to contact Marc about the transcriptions. Maybe he will put one up for you guys to check out. I've seen 555 and it is very scary. Marc is a sick puppy. He actually thrives on transcribing this kind of stuff. It is like playing video games for him.
CB

I think Marc is holding on to them for the moment in hopes of a possible book featuring the drummers of Zappa, he's been talking with the family trust about it for awhile.
I put Marc in touch with Mike Keneally to have him overlook a few things and see what his thoughts were.
Have to wait and see where it all leads.

I played a gig on the smaller stage at a popular festival in FL a couple years back, & Wayne Newton played the main stage...if I'd've only known [ATT]...;c)

Caught Newton on VHS on Leno a month or 2 ago...nice playing by Marc.
Big-band-ish. Perfect for the tune.
Makes me wanna find that tape amidst the pile of VHS's that it's in... [img]eek.gif[/img]

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ July 27, 2004 01:18 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>

Yo Randall,
I don't think anything is going to happen with the drummers of Zappa book. Gail Zappa would have to sign off on it and she is notoriously skiddish about these kind of things. I hope it comes out in some form or another though.
CB

Hey Derek
Tell me where I should e-mail the pdf and we will go from there!

OK Derek, where is 5(55)?
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CB