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July 29th, 2004, 05:14 PM
travelinman

BY GIL KLEIN
MEDIA GENERAL NEWS SERVICE Jul 29, 2004

BOSTON - Sweeping into a meeting of the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Caucus at the Democratic Convention yesterday, Teresa Heinz Kerry praised the activists for "pushing the envelope" to secure their rights.

"If nothing else, you will have a mom in the White House," the wife of Democratic nominee John Kerry said. "You can call your Mama T anytime."

The hundreds of delegates and supporters in the room leapt to their feet and chanted, "Mama T, Mama T, Mama T," as they waved their arms.

Democrats have embraced the gay community and made it part of their core constituency. But the party still is nervous about how far it can go toward endorsing such reforms as gay marriage without losing broad popular support.

John Kerry says he favors civil unions and opposes gay marriage. In 1996 he was one of 14 senators who voted against the Defense of Marriage Act that defined marriage as the union of a man and a woman. Yet he supported an amendment to the Massachusetts constitution that would have banned gay marriage, and opposed an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that would ban gay marriage.

http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet...=1045855934842
July 29th, 2004, 05:57 PM
Piña

Well Damned Good for her!!!

trav

I'm a bit surprised to see you posting a piece in support of the next first lady. You rethinking your hate based politics?
July 29th, 2004, 06:00 PM
travelinman

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Originally posted by Pi?a:
Well Damned Good for her!!!

trav

I'm a bit surprised to see you posting a piece in support of the next first lady. You rethinking your hate based politics?

Once again you have your head up your ass.
July 29th, 2004, 06:15 PM
Piña

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Originally posted by travelinman:
Once again you have your head up your ass.

Huh, there you were praising her for her support of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Caucus, I compliment you for your willingness to step away from the ignorance of the religious right we jokingly call the bush administration and you get pissy with me?

My we're just a conflicted and troubled little soul aren't we?
July 29th, 2004, 06:38 PM
travelinman

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John Kerry says he favors civil unions and opposes gay marriage. In 1996 he was one of 14 senators who voted against the Defense of Marriage Act that defined marriage as the union of a man and a woman. Yet he supported an amendment to the Massachusetts constitution that would have banned gay marriage, and opposed an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that would ban gay marriage.



[ July 29, 2004 03:39 PM: Message edited by: travelinman ]
July 29th, 2004, 07:05 PM
travelinman

Out of character for a minute:

I have no problem with gay people and what they do in private (I do have a problem watching two guys kissing). I support their right to have all the legal rights, financial rights and social acceptance that any heterosexual couple has. I am not a fundamental Christian (I'm not sure I'm even a Christian as defined by organized religion) but went to a Lutheran Parochial school and served as an Alter Boy, so I know the "teachings".

With that said, I do not support gay marriage because marriage is a religious ceremony between a man and a woman that was created a long time ago to bind them and their future kids together as a family. The whole state sponsored marriage license thing is just a tax. GAE and I lived together for a few years before we got married. Both of us have been surgically sterilized so we are not going to be having any kids, so we got married for the same reasons any gay couple wants to get married. What is needed is some other state sponsored ceremony/certification that will provide all the benefits of a marriage and the emotional commitment, but leave the religious part out.

If it was called something else, this problem woould go away, but that's to sensible and doesn't let the radical socialists force a confrontation with the conservatives.

[ July 29, 2004 04:06 PM: Message edited by: travelinman ]
July 29th, 2004, 07:30 PM
reason

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With that said, I do not support gay marriage because marriage is a religious ceremony between a man and a woman that was created a long time ago to bind them and their future kids together as a family.

There are plenty of reputable clergy from mainstream denominations who are willing and able - and do - perform such ceremonies (Presbyterian, Catholic, Reform Judaism, Unitarian).

So your assertion that because marriage is religious is entirely meaningless. We've got religious people already performing the ceremony, but because of ignorant assholes who never bothered to open up a history book or look at what's around them are so willing to rewrite history in order to preserve their own fucked up view of the world, every one else has to suffer.

Also, there's plenty of evidence to suggest that the early church performed same sex ceremonies, but only after politics got involved the practice ended. As a matter of fact, the Church didn't even make marriage a sacrament until like 1200 AD because they felt it entirely a secular matter. Then they figured the control of property transfer was involved...and, well, you can figure out the rest...

And just curious. How many kids have you and gae had together? Procreate away, Vasectomy Man. You'll be creating about as many children as that fag landscaper across the street.

Assignment: Do a Google search on Saints Serge and Bacchus. You'd think the Catholic Church would've had these two sent off to hell...but they're saints. Huh.

[ July 29, 2004 04:32 PM: Message edited by: reason ]
July 29th, 2004, 07:42 PM
travelinman

Boy, you sure are pissed.

This issue has so little to do with gay couples having the same rights as heterosexuals and so much to do with pushing political agendas.

If there was some other thing (call it what you will) available to GAE and I, we would have used it.

What is it you want?

Do you want the same rights and acceptance GAE and I have, or do you want to be married?

How about you can get married, but don't get to claim each other on your taxes. I don't think you would like it.

[ July 29, 2004 04:43 PM: Message edited by: travelinman ]
July 29th, 2004, 07:51 PM
reason

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Originally posted by travelinman:
[QB]Boy, you sure are pissed.

This issue has so little to do with gay couples having the same rights as heterosexuals and so much to do with pushing political agendas.

If there was some other thing (call it what you will) available to GAE and I, we would have used it.

What is it you want?

Do you want the same rights and acceptance GAE and I have, or do you want to be married?

How about you can get married, but don't get to claim each other on your taxes. I don't think you would like it.

Well you got something right...I am pissed. I don't want one or other. I want both. Period. The same as you have.

We have clergy performing the ceremonies. They've been performing the ceremonies. But our government refuses to acknowledge it. The dominant political agenda forced down our throats is - and has been - from the religious right.

Now that gays are suing to get what everyone else has, they're accused of forcing themselves on everyone else.

I have a right to be pissed. You know - after a while ya just get sick of it. I mean really sick of it.

And the title is so much more involved than you can ever imagine.

[ July 29, 2004 04:52 PM: Message edited by: reason ]
July 29th, 2004, 07:56 PM
reason

I'm once again spending too much time on here, so I'm taking a break. Cincygreg's shitty attitude is too much for me.

If I wanted to be around assholes, I would have become a proctologist.
July 29th, 2004, 08:08 PM
reason

One last comment and I'm gone until at least next week. I happen to listen closely to what the other side is saying. As a matter of fact, I'm on the Christian Family Coalition's mailing list. The following is their recent (and most heinously ignorant) hate mail:

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The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, the nation's most radical homosexual group HAS RECEIVED A $100,000 matching grant to LEGALIZE homosexual “marriage” in America from a “gay family”!

This “gay family” are Tom Bombardier and John Fowler TWO MEN who claim they have been together eight years and have somehow “adopted” two children, ages 22 and 24 months!

My friend, it is time to WAKE UP, the SURVIVAL OF OUR NATION IS AT STAKE!

WE CAN AND MUST WIN THE BATTLE TO PROTECT MARRIAGE!

IF WE DON’T, AMERICA WILL NOT SURVIVE BECAUSE:
1. Homosexual adoption will be instantly legalized and generations of children will be raised in unnatural environments - deprived of a mother and a father.

2. Schools will teach your children that two men “marrying” each other is the same as one man and one woman, marrying each other!

3. Young boys and girls will be taught how to perform “safe sodomy” on each other in sex education classes.

4. YOUR CHURCH will have to abandon Scripture and “marry” homosexuals or lose their tax exempt status or worse yet - BE SHUT DOWN if they refuse to marry two men or two women!

TWO HOMOSEXUAL MEN donated $100,000 to LEGALIZE HOMOSEXUAL “MARRIAGE”!

We NEED EVERYONE TOGETHER, TO DONATE $100,000 to SAVE MARRIAGE!

The Christian Family Coalition, has fought and WON against the RADICAL HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA, whether it’s special rights or homosexual indoctrination of kindergarten children!

PLEASE STOP WHAT YOU ARE DOING RIGHT NOW,

We ARE challenging YOU and thousands of Christians, just like you, TO MATCH DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR, this $100,000 assault on our families!

If homosexual extremists can DONATE $100,000 for a LIE!,

Then Christians across AMERICA can also donate $100,000 for the TRUTH - that MARRIAGE =ONE MAN + ONE WOMAN!

We only NEED 4,000 Christians, JUST LIKE YOU, to donate $25 each, we will reach our $100,000 GOAL!

WE KNOW THERE ARE AT LEAST 4,000 Christians, JUST LIKE YOU, who can donate at least $25!

Please, dig deep into your pockets, and make your EMERGENCY DONATION right now,

DON’T ALLOW any more time pass, WE MUST PROTECT AND DEFEND MARRIAGE IN AMERICA TODAY, RIGHT NOW!

WE CAN AND WILL WIN THIS BATTLE!

After you make your EMERGENCY DONATION, PLEASE pass on this alert to EVERYONE on YOUR E-MAIL LIST AND ASK THEM TO ALSO MAKE AN EMERGENCY DONATION

We are waiting on your EMERGENCY CONTRIBUTION TODAY!

The very survival of our nation is at stake!
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Giving Families a Voice in their Government Again!
July 29th, 2004, 08:54 PM
cincygreg

Lets see...

Economy
War
Health Care
Unemployment
Environment
Education
Stem Cell research

And uh, uh

Wait a minute ...
Hold on ...

Nope, Gay marraige just doesnt really equal any of those issues.
Sorry!
Dont care if they allow it or not.

[ July 29, 2004 05:56 PM: Message edited by: cincygreg ]

[ July 29, 2004 05:59 PM: Message edited by: cincygreg ]
July 30th, 2004, 12:16 AM
Piña

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Originally posted by cincygreg:
Dont care if they allow it or not.

'Course not. Caring about others is a democratic value. Screw 'em, republican. And they say there's no difference between the parties. Sheesh.
July 30th, 2004, 02:04 PM
cincygreg

Did you say something pinata?

Oh, I guess not.

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July 30th, 2004, 05:18 PM
Piña

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Originally posted by cincygreg:
Did you say something pinata?

Oh, I guess not.

Didn't even make it 24 hours. Your president would be proud of you.
July 30th, 2004, 05:49 PM
gae

I found nothing offensive in the original post.

Mama T's ass is way bigger than Mr. T's, though.
July 30th, 2004, 05:57 PM
Piña

Gae

Who are you talking to and what are you talking about?
July 30th, 2004, 06:10 PM
gae

Read my post.

Teresa Heinz Kerry is a fat assed, loud mouthed assshat.

One can only wonder how bad she'd look without her millions.
July 30th, 2004, 06:46 PM
Piña

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Originally posted by gae:
Read my post.

I did. ?I found nothing offensive in the original post? is a bit unclear as to who and what you are talking about. Who found what offensive?

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Teresa Heinz Kerry is a fat assed, loud mouthed assshat.

Glass houses, dear.

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One can only wonder how bad she'd look without her millions.

For someone who trumpets the all-american virtue of wealth accumulation you sure are quick to deride other people for having money. What is it that you seem to find so offensive about millionaires, anyway?
July 30th, 2004, 06:54 PM
travelinman

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[/qb]Originally posted by Pi?a:
What is it that you seem to find so offensive about millionaires, anyway?[/QB]

Millionaires aren't offensive, fat assed ugly ones who married the money and then want to take more of my money to pay for fat ass lazy poor people are.

I don't like skinny ugly ones ether.

What's worse then a gold digging woman? A gold digging man.

But you wouldn't know about that would you.
July 30th, 2004, 07:16 PM
Piña

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Originally posted by travelinman:
]Millionaires aren't offensive, fat assed ugly ones who married the money and then want to take more of my money to pay for fat ass lazy poor people are.

So, let?s see: You don?t like: fat assed ugly people who marry money - people who take your money and ?fat ass lazy poor people? (again you seem to have left out several of your regular targets)

"Fat assed" seems to be a common denominator in your rants. You really seem to think that fat is an indicator of inferiority, otherwise why use it as an insult. We don?t really have to scratch too deep to find your bigotry do we?

Also why do you seem to feel that poor people are necessarily fat assed and lazy? I would think that there were far more poor people who were otherwise. Perhaps though you were merely specifying a subset of poor people and if so what percentage of the complete poor people set would they represent?

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What's worse then a gold digging woman? A gold digging man.

Interesting. Why would you assign a qualification of ?worse? to one gender over the other for doing the same thing? You seem to do that a lot.

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But you wouldn't know about that would you.

Well, in an abstract sense, sure. Don?t have any personal experience but I think I can talk on the subject. Now would gold digging apply to those who inherit their money. I would think that trading on any relationship for material gain would fit the gold digging definition, at least once one achieves their majority.
July 30th, 2004, 07:31 PM
gae

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Glass houses, dear.

Huh. I'm swimming in a size 4.

You funny.
July 30th, 2004, 07:52 PM
Piña

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Originally posted by gae:
Huh. I'm swimming in a size 4.

I was thinking in a more general sense than just "fat assed" including but not limited to "loud mouthed assshat." Though I do have to admit that I'm not quite sure what an assshat actually is, but I don't think it would be part of the salutation on a wedding invitation, for example.

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You funny.

Thank you, I know.
August 2nd, 2004, 05:32 PM
jumper69

D2 said after she gets out of grad school and is rolling in money, I can be a bum. But in order for me to be a bum, I have to train for an Ironman and complete one.

Seems fair to me!
August 2nd, 2004, 05:54 PM
reason

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Originally posted by Jumper69:
D2 said after she gets out of grad school and is rolling in money, I can be a bum. But in order for me to be a bum, I have to train for an Ironman and complete one.

Seems fair to me!

My brother in law is supposedly doing the one in Wisconsin. I think it's in September.

I'll believe it when I see it.
August 2nd, 2004, 06:17 PM
gae

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Originally posted by Pi?a:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by gae:
Huh. I'm swimming in a size 4.

I was thinking in a more general sense than just "fat assed" including but not limited to "loud mouthed assshat." Though I do have to admit that I'm not quite sure what an assshat actually is, but I don't think it would be part of the salutation on a wedding invitation, for example.

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You funny.

Thank you, I know.<hr /></blockquote>Although I'm sure it's widely used, I picked up "asshat" on Salon. I started using it, because (AFAIK) it carries no racial or sexist connotations. The male moron in the SUV who thinks that 75 is Darlington? Asshat. The female moron, talking on the phone, applying makeup and swatting the spawn? Asshat.

I used to call those folks "Morons" until I realized their IQs were lower.