A newbie from France

Hi all,

Congratulations to the webmaster for his site. Great [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img]

Firstly, I would like to apologize for my english which is rather rocky.
Please, be indulgent if I make some mistakes !

Well, I am 31, I live in France (French Riviera) and I have played drums for 20 years .

I am fond of jazz-funk (Lee Ritenour), jazz-rock (Chick Corea, Jeff beck, Pat Metheny) and rock (Led Zep, Aerosmith, Hendrix, The Doors).

Without forgetting "La Chanson Fran?aise" (Jacques Brel, Serge Gainsbourg, G?rard Manset) and French jazz/rock bands (Magma, Uzeb, Ultramarine, Michel Camillo, Michel Petrucciani).

My favourite drummers are :

Vinnie Colauita, Harvey Mason, Ian Paice, Bernard Purdie, Steve Gadd, Dave Weckl and also great French drummers like Andr? Cecarrelli, Aldo Romano, Daniel Humair, Paco Sery.

Oups, sorry for being so long !

Bonjour Eymelin,

Bienvenue ? notre forum, House of Drumming ! Je suis membre de HOD depuis l'?t? 2004 et je suis de Montr?al, Qu?bec, Canada.

I was in Nice last May and had a great vacation there. I know Andr? Ceccarelli and Paco S?ry and I've seen them play. We have in Montreal, every November, the Montr?al Drum Fest (Le Drum Fest de Montr?al). This year the festival will present two great drummers from France: Manu Katch? and Thierry Arpino (J.L. Ponty). Sure you know them.

J'esp?re que tu va nous donner de 'input' de l'industrie en France. Et encore bienvenue ? notre forum.

Salut,

Thanks for your warm welcome [img]smile.gif[/img]

It is great to have a forum where we can share our mutual passion.

Thank you all !

PS : Groovissimo
Comme tu es un cousin Qu?b?cois (Vive le Qu?bec !!!!!), je te r?ponds dans la langue de Moli?re. Oui tu as raison, Ceccarelli et S?ry sont des batteurs absolument exceptionnels et d'ailleurs Dave Weckl, lui m?me, est un grand admirateur des deux.

Par contre, je ne connais pas du tout Arpino.
Pour Manu Katch?, je ne suis pas trop sensible ? son style m?me si je reconnais que c'est un rythmeur hors-pair.

En tous cas, j'esp?re que tes vacances ? Nice C?te d'Azur ont ?t? excellentes car les filles y sont superbes [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img]

I LOVE GIRLS FROM NICE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eymelin,

Thanks for responding.

Thierry Arpino is Jean-Luc Ponty's actual drummer. He has been living in New York for several years. His father played with the Jacques Lussier Trio (Play-Bach Jazz).

You can visit his web site and even see a video clip of him playing in France with Ponty.

http://www.thierryarpino.com

A bientot...
Groovissimo

Welcome aboard!

Welcome.
[I like Arpino, Ceccarelli [sp], & Sery quite a bit as well [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img] [img]cool.gif[/img] ...& I'm sure the girls from Nice, are, well, ah, indeed quite "Nice" [please excuse the time-worn, cliched pun [img]wink.gif[/img] ]

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ September 19, 2004 07:38 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>

salut eymelin,
je suis batteur originaire de Paris.bienvenu sur le forum des oufs de Vinnie et de tous les autres...y'en a tellement.
cette ann?e Nice avait une affiche part(iculierement funky:Chic(Omar??),jill scott,angie stone,roy hargrove.
j'aurais aim? y etre.

thieery Arpino is a very fine drummer.i've seen him play a lot in Paris when he was still living there.now he's in NYC where he moved after a terrible drama in his personnal life.
music can be a lifesaver sometimes.we must know how fortunate we are to have sthg we can always rely upon when times are hard.
do you guys know about other french drummers such as:mokhtar samba,karim ziad?
these guys are awesome.they play north african rhytms like no others.very twisted stuff in 6-8.
you should check 'em out.
i think mokhtar released a book 2 years ago.pretty sick stuff if you like this time signature and i'm sure you do. [img]wink.gif[/img]

Oh yes, drumaddix - Moktar. Great player.

We've talked of him here before. Another great drummer Pedro Galindo is a member here, & spoke much of him in an old topic post. My first exposure to Moktar's playing was on a J L Ponty CD...great drumming...I've been a "fan" ever since [img]wink.gif[/img] ... [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img] [img]cool.gif[/img]

Fuse01,

Ooooh you are right, girls from Nice are very nice, indeed... [img]smile.gif[/img]

For Jean-Luc Ponty, I do not know his material very well except few titles like "Egocentrique Mol?cule" etc...
Could tell me the name of the album where Mohktar Samba plays with JL Ponty ? Tia

Drumaddix,

Permets moi de te r?pondre en Fran?ais, cher compatriote [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] .
C'est sympa de trouver un site o? l'on peut partager notre passion commune pour l'instrument.
En tous cas, merci pour ton message de bienvenue [img]smile.gif[/img] .

PS : Groovissimo, thanks for the link

Jean Luc Ponty - "No Absolute Time," '93, Atlantic Records/Time Warner.

Also check out JLP's "Tchokola" ['91] w Brice Wassy on drums, since you like those "neo-Afro-fusion" stylings... [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]

...Just don't check out TOO many of those 'nice girls'...might be a bit 'overwhelming' [img]wink.gif[/img]

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ September 21, 2004 01:48 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>

fuse 01,
you know Brice Wassy too??!!
you amaze me dude.
those guys are killers but they're not very famous in the u.s right?

ok Fuse let's see if you know this one [img]biggrin.gif[/img] :
-"Maghreb and friends"-drummer Karim Ziad.same first name as mine but god he's such a monster on the kit.
so if you like that neo-african fusion as you seem to,get this one if you don't have it already.
amazing stuff with lots of great french musicians.(michel alibo on bass!!)
let me know if you got it.

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fuse U1,
you know Brice Wassy too??!!...
those guys are killers but they're not very famous in the u.s right?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, Brice & Moktar are great players. But you're right, they're not well-known in the mainstream here...& if it weren't for JLP's relative success here back in the 80's, I probably wouldn't know who they are today [img]frown.gif[/img]

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Maghreb and friends"-drummer Karim Ziad.same first name as mine but god he's such a monster on the kit.
so if you like that neo-african fusion as you seem to,get this one if you don't have it already.
amazing stuff with lots of great french musicians.(michel alibo on bass!!)
let me know if you got it

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You've "got" me on that one! I haven't heard of / don't have that one...I need to check it out! Thx for the tip, DA.

...& those 2 JLP releases that I listed above [in my 2nd-to-last post] are great groove discs [in the "neo-afro-fusion" style [img]wink.gif[/img] ]

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ September 21, 2004 04:39 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>

fuse,
i'm actually trying to find that JLP with Brice on.went to two record shops today and couldn't find it.gonna try the megastore next.i 'll let you know when i get it .

Believe it or not I was in a band that played some Brice Wassy material. I had never heard of him, but his African grooves were highly original, very unusual (to my ears anyway!) and great fun to replicate.

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Fr?re Bienvenu De Tambour!
O? en France ?tes-vous localis??

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Originally posted by PocketPlayer:
Fr?re Bienvenu De Tambour!
O? en France ?tes-vous localis??

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Salut PocketPlayer [img]wink.gif[/img] [img]wink.gif[/img] [img]wink.gif[/img]

J'habite sur la C?te d'Azur pr?s de Marseille.

Tu connais le Sud de la France ?

Bien cordialement,

PS : Fuse01, I know this album (Tchokola) from Jean-Luc Ponty and I confess I am not very fond of this style. Too bizarre, too tortuous.
In fact a music only for the connaisseurs.

Yes, eymelin, I must confess that i agree...i went back & listened to both aft a very long time...& some of the music itself can be very pondersome & tedious, & repetitious to the point of mundane - having very similar sounding motifs...it is simply your typically classically & "rock" influenced Ponty over some neo-Afro-fusion grooves [& a rare "splash" of latin on a tune or two], but the grooves are nevertheless interesting & well-done.
Peace. [img]cool.gif[/img]

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ September 22, 2004 03:10 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>

Bienvenue Eymelin...

Pocketplayer... Tu parles Francais??? [img]eek.gif[/img]

Salut Beat Hit [img]wink.gif[/img] [img]wink.gif[/img] [img]wink.gif[/img]

Hey, dear fellows, it is like a "little France" [img]wink.gif[/img]

Allez, champagne pour tout le monde !!!!!!!!!


Fuse01,

I DO agree with you.
Technically speaking, this album is perfect but where is the emotion ?

You are right when you talk about the classical roots in France.
Besides this one, I would add contemporary music (as we say in France "musique d'avant-garde") which is quite influential in France and represented by musicians such as Pierre Boulez, Pierre Henry, Olivier Messiaen ou Pierre Schaeffer.

I am very fond of contemporary music and I think Jean-Luc Ponty has tried to make a kind of cross-over between the "musique d'avant-garde" and afro-fusion grooves.
But it is a very hard task.

For instance, Frank Zappa was fan of Pierre Boulez (especially his symphony called "Le Marteau sans Ma?tre") and he has worked with Pierre Boulez.
Imho, Jean-Luc Ponty is a great musician but he is not as talented as Zappa.

I am convinced Boulez-Zappa could have performed a very interesting material

Agree 100%.
I must confess, I was a big fan of 80's / early 90's JLP... [img]redface.gif[/img] [img]wink.gif[/img]

While it was highly formulaic classical-jazz-rock by today's standard [intro / head chorus, [often] odd-time verse [solo [img]wink.gif[/img] ]; repeat twice, bridge; repeat verse & chorus, out - you get the gist of what I'm trying to say ;c) ], he was one of the first to do so & always had HIGHLY compitent musicians, prob even higher than himself [even though as strictly a musician himself, he is very accomplished]...

His live shows were always consistent & high standard...

Saw him first in the early-to-mid-80s w Casey Scheuerell on kit, & Scott Henderson of Tech on gtr...great show...then in mid-to-late 80's w Sonny Emory on kit, Scott again on gtr...both great live experiences...

Of course, these shows were nothing like JLP's later afro stylings...except for JLP's solos themselves [img]wink.gif[/img]

Eh, well, i guess he was just "going for it" [a diff approach]...[taking a chance]...

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ September 22, 2004 04:41 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>

Hey Eymelin,

Welcome in HOD Man.

Well, I have to say that it's not because you don't feel touched by this music that there is not emotion here.

And why do you want compare Zappa with Ponty, come on Man...

Also "Afro-Jazz-Fusion" is a kind of music that you can find very easily in Paris because there is a lot of african people there, it's like you can hear a lot of latin music in Florida because there is a lot of spanish people and Cuba close...
Anyway, "African-Jazz-Fusion" is really not some roots in the french music industry.

Peace.

PS : by the way, 75% of the french music SUCKS !!!

Hey No 40,

You should read Eymelin's posts more carefully ! He is not the one comparing Ponty to Zappa. He is really showing that Zappa is closer to French composer Boulez. These two are and were way over most musicians, including Ponty. But don't get me wrong. Ponty is one of the best jazz violinists in the world.

As for your remark that 75% French Music "sucks", please note that 75% of most Countries produce mediocre music, including North American. That is why we are privileged to listen to the remaining 25%.

Another thing to remember: Most of the best musical compositions we listen to, especially members of this forum, is composed of influences from around the world ! The idea is to be "open" to the richness of todays "world" music. Being able to fuse cultures from around the globe in our music.

Take note: that in France like here in America, we are not spoiled by most radio stations. You have to look for the music that inspires you.

Groovissimo, Montreal, North America
And fan of world culture in music.

Groove - great post man. My sents exactly...

However, i disagree w ONE comment - "jazz violinist"...to me, JLP is not a "jazz" violinist, but rather, a great "classical-fusion-rock" violinist [perhaps influenced somewhat by jazz]...who's played w some great jazz-&-fusion musicians... [img]wink.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]cool.gif[/img]

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ September 23, 2004 11:36 AM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>

ok!
combien y'a t'il de gars qui parlent francais ici?
as Eymelin said,it's like "little france here"! [img]tongue.gif[/img]
Pocket player:are you french or from Quebec?

Beat hit:same question?
no big deal.just curious.

let's not fight over music guys.c'mon.
we're all on the same boat,tryin' to share opinions and thoughts about what we love or not.

huh!!! i'm feelin' like an old man now.
giving lessons on peace and stuff.
sorry 'bout that. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

done.

Salut No40,

Voyant sur ta signature que tu es Fran?ais, permets moi de te r?pondre dans la langue de Moli?re.
Effectivement, il me semble qu'il y ait eu une incompr?hension.

Comme l'ont fait remarqu? Groovissimo et Fuse01, je ne comparais pas Jean-Luc Ponty ? Franck Zappa et de m?me ni n'affirmais que la tentative fa?te par Ponty de m?langer musique Africaine et Fusion faisait partie de la tradition Fran?aise.

Quant l'indigence de 75% de la production musicale, elle est tout aussi valable aux Etats-Unis qu'en France.

J'aime la chanson Fran?aise car j'aime les textes qui chez les grands artistes ont une port?e ?motive amha plus grande que la musique elle-m?me que ce soit chez Manset, Brel, Ferrat, Nougaro, Cabrel, F?rr? ou Ferrat.

Vielle tradition rimbaldienne.

Cordialement,

Eymelin

Welcome here french people !!!
It's been a while now since I've discovered Steve Holmes and his forum and it's the place to be, really.
You'll find all type of informations from lastest good news to philosophical drumming purpose. It's why you'll aslo find some famous drumming name. We're only waiting for Vince ;-)
The board is clean and all the people here are great.
Stay connected !!!
Peacefully.

Je suis aussi francophone, putain! Il fait juste un peu plus froid ici comparativement ? Nice... [img]wink.gif[/img]

Bienvenue ? toi sur ces forums de discussion, Eymelin!

Merci ? toi Samuel [img]smile.gif[/img]