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this thing is crazy! 24psi?!?!!?
ok, just making sure, won't this make the car INCREDIBLY unreliable? or have they figured out some magic device that can support this?
that's all the horsepower, plus more than i need on my EX.
would you guys still suggest a swap over the endyn SC?
-Snyder
well, sometimes people believe anything that people say as long as it makes incredible horsepower with little money. like about 10years ago, someone was selling all motor civic engine that makes 650hp at the wheel. ALL MOTOR. no core charge either.
anyhow, i'll believe it when there is proven info time slips on that R integra.
also i talked to Keith at JRSC, he laughed when i told him about endyn charger, he just laugh and said oh well, looks like JRSC is out of business, we sold thousands of SC already, how many have Endyn sell. they dont even have back up on the 400hp that they claimed. sure they got a 12sec SC civic, but JG has a 12 sec SC integra. 12sec is doable, but not with a stock motor. thats what keith said.....
dont get mad at me, i am just saying what keith said...hee hee
well keith is an idiot so that info is not too helpful.
but also you are not going to get motherfuc*ing 400hp out of a ex civic stock, for $3500. keep reading and researching and maybe you will realize what endyn is really talking about. even still their claims are exagerated some (or a lot depending on who you talk to).
just get a swap. thats what most people do, especially when they don't actually work on their cars. dont tell me putting an intake on is working on your car either, I mean the big stuff.
Just cause jackson sold so many chargers doesnt mean a thing....good things come to people who wait....I have no seen one of larry's creation or aleast the full version but I do have a member of my club that has a ENDYN modified JRSC and its sweet!...dont hack on people with out giving them a chance...i love my JRSC i am just saying how i feel... =) www.teamfx.net
Endyn does sound like a gimick. 24 psi w/o building the motor seems like a pipe dream.
Larry has been building motors longer than most of us have been on this planet. Nobody believed the Wright brothers when they said they were going to fly either.
If you ever have the privelege of meeting Larry, you will soon understand he is the real deal. He's just a guy, like us, who thinks Honda builds an incredible motor, and want's to help people make them go fast. And after speaking to about 10 different engine builders, he was clearly the most honest and helpful. By a longshot.
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95 GSR
JRSC @ 11lbs, NOS (Track), Kamikazee Header, Nakayama Intake, Brospeed Exhuast, Unorthodox Cam Gears, RC 310cc injectors, Bosch (ENDYN modified) fuel pump, STR rail, Hyper R, Moroso catch can, B&M oil cooler, J&S SafeGuard, MSD6BTM, Blaster coil, MSD Cap, ES mounts, ES tranny bushings, ACT 6 puck, Baer 13" Kit, Slotted/Xdrilled rear, Stainless lines, M/T for the track, blah, blah, blah......
*** Motor and JRSC being rebuilt by ENDYN
Stay Tuned!
Don't belittle Larry to a Honda engine builder... Hondas are a small hobby... his mind has probably put more national champions faster around a NASCAR track, or down the 1320 than any other single person in the last two decades... and no, you won't hear about it...
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1998' 4dr GSR, 8psi JRSC w/hand ported plenum, Walbro HP fuel pump, valves set to .005i/.006e, MSD BTM, B&M CommandFlo regulator(working it out), stock intake w/resinator cut off at fenderwell for "cool air", Greddy sp exhaust, Tokico Illumina 5-ways, Neuspeed springs(sux!), Skunkworks 22mm rear swaybar, ES motor mounts and front swaybar bushings, Yokohama AVS 205/50/15's, Metal Master brake pads(KVR Carbon Fibre pads sitting on work bench) ,B&M fuel pressure gauge, Autometer sport comp A/F gauge in dimmer location...
YLW 00' ITR #00-1011 with AEM CAI and 143db triple air horns
Honest officer, I had no idea how fast I was going...the speedometer only gos to 150...
Get paid to surf the Web!!! http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=TUD-039
I don't know what to think about Endyn but I am very interested. Some of their claims about their SC seem pretty outrageous. I don't care how much porting/smoothing you do, it seems very unlikely that 24 PSI is attainable. When is this thing supposed to be out anyway? There have been no recent updates on the SC project other than ,"It's done when it's done".
I would like to hear more reactions on how people like the mods they do to the JRSC. 11PSI's sig does not contain any mention of water injection, etc. Just the J&S to tame detonation so it would seem that the Endyn mods allow him to reliably run 11 PSI.
PS: I just re-read this and it reads as if I am bashing Endyn which is not the purpose. If Endyn can make half of their claims stick when it comes out then they would have a great product!
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Bill Winters
Houston, TX
'94 bone stock GSR
5 Liter Eater:
You are very perceptive in noticing that I have no H20 injection. However, my sig does not tell all. The 11psi I was running was on a stock GSR with improvements mainly to the fuel delivery system to accomadate the higher boost (Injectors, Holley pump, Rail, Hyper R controller). It seems however, that I was riding on the edge of destruction. A faulty MSD distributor cap caused increased detonation in the motor to the point the rings decided to stop playing. Time for a rebuild.
After talking to almost 10 builders (Not mentioning names) NONE of them seemed interested in helping. Each conversation was more like "Yeah, we can build it, give us $X,XXX, send it to this address, is that all you wanted?"
Until one day a topic not unlike this one was started. People ripping on ENDYN and people praising ENDYN. I decided to do some research. After going to www.theoldone.com I emailed ENDYN with my dilema. Within 4 hours I got a phone call from Larry, I was floored. Not only was he interested in my situation, he explained, in terms I could understand, what he could and would do to help. He explained his history with NASCAR, CART and INDY, which further built his credibility. He told me what I needed to buy, and what I didn't need. His price on the rebuild was slightly higher, but I could care less. I INSTANTLY decided he was the only person that was working on my motor. I was so impressed that rather than shipping the motor to him, I decided to drive the 24 hour trip to and from his location, just to meet him (9/23/00). He invited me to his home, where we spent several hours talking shop. You can tell this is his passion. You can also tell he is a genuinely honest person. I have seen the infamous civic and type r. They do exist. And boy are they sleepers.
Every since, Larry has kept me up to date on progress. Even going so far as to taking digital photo's of internals, just so I could see the transformation myself. And here I am, less than one week from ship date (10/30). Getting very excited.
FYI- The motor is getting the full meal deal. Everything Larry can put into it. Including rebuilding the JRSC. When it is back and has been broken in properly, I will give you feedback, although there is no doubt it will be no less than spectacular.
So for those of you who are questioning Larry's work.... Give it up. This board is full of speculation from people who really have no understanding of who Larry is and what he is capable of.
(By the way, Larry and Oscar have had a long time rivalry... Of course the guys at Moss are going to talk bad about him.)
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95 GSR
JRSC @ 11lbs, NOS (Track), Kamikazee Header, Nakayama Intake, Brospeed Exhuast, Unorthodox Cam Gears, RC 310cc injectors, Bosch (ENDYN modified) fuel pump, STR rail, Hyper R, Moroso catch can, B&M oil cooler, J&S SafeGuard, MSD6BTM, Blaster coil, MSD Cap, ES mounts, ES tranny bushings, ACT 6 puck, Baer 13" Kit, Slotted/Xdrilled rear, Stainless lines, M/T for the track, blah, blah, blah......
*** Motor and JRSC being rebuilt by ENDYN
Stay Tuned!
This message is written not because i want to bash Larry or his work. i am just written from years of experience in Japan mainly dealing with suspension, but i hang around the track enough to know 24psi of boost will kill any stock car that does not have a turbo from car maker.
Keith is not an idiot. Keith actually have some quite insights on the SC. some of us are not believers until there is ACTUAL prove for people. I am sure that some people will trust people more than others. but honestly, u really think buying their SC will give u about 400hp? and UPTO 24lb of boost?
dont forget that when u get ur car back, he will give u the 3inch pulley. ofcourse its going to be faster, all i heard was people getting their SC modified by Endyn. Is there one person that got their car dyno?? all i heard was..."yeah its so much faster".
the real point i am trying to make is, lets take out the name larry for a sec. would u believe it someone told you that they can make a SC that give ur teg about 400hp running at 24psi, and u do all this with stock internals. but the catch is, there is no time slips, dyno runs to back up their claim, AND THEY HAVE NO RELEASE DATES?? wouldnt u tell them to basically buzz off?
again, i am speaking from logic and reality. all of you starts getting pisses of cuz someone doesnt believe in larrys work.
ofcouse there are things that cant be proven, and there are things that is hard to prove. but a simple on the record dyno run, 1/4 mile slip will stop all the talking and get to the facts. anyone cared to ask why larry didnt really prove it?? i know some of you will say, he has nothing to prove to anyone.
i end this by saying...dont get mad at me because i have a different view from you. and just think about it..........
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sirg:
Keith is not an idiot. Keith actually have some quite insights on the SC. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
...and a trained monkey can push a button for food...
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1998' 4dr GSR, 8psi JRSC w/hand ported plenum, Walbro HP fuel pump, valves set to .005i/.006e, MSD BTM, B&M CommandFlo regulator(working it out), stock intake w/resinator cut off at fenderwell for "cool air", Greddy sp exhaust, Tokico Illumina 5-ways, Neuspeed springs(sux!), Skunkworks 22mm rear swaybar, ES motor mounts and front swaybar bushings, Yokohama AVS 205/50/15's, Metal Master brake pads(KVR Carbon Fibre pads sitting on work bench) ,B&M fuel pressure gauge, Autometer sport comp A/F gauge in dimmer location...
YLW 00' ITR #00-1011 with AEM CAI and 143db triple air horns
Honest officer, I had no idea how fast I was going...the speedometer only gos to 150...
Get paid to surf the Web!!! http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=TUD-039
I think that keith is an ok guy. He can't go against company policy, but he's the one who suggested the endyn stepper pulley to me. It works just like he said it would.
Well at our battle this past weekend.. there were 2 cars there... both with GSR motors... stock internals... one was only making 18psi of boost (with a turbo) but was dynoed the night b4 at over 400 WHP, so it's quite possible.... but question really is, how long will the motor last ?
Be honest. If you take any car engine and modify it to make four HP per cubic inch, how long will it last?
If it's only making that power in quarter mile races, it could last a while. If you treat it bad all the time, you could probably turn one into trash in just a few minutes. I know people with Hondas that don't know better.
good one, compare Keith to Monkey.
hey, have u all notice that i had not made any funny names about larry? well, i guess some people are more childish than others. just like back in 3rd grade. well, congrat, you have proven to us that people sometimes just dont grow out of the 3rd grade stage.
why dont u just leave the insults out next time. and stick with technicial FACTS. tell us the facts instead of telling us names....woo ohh wow.
Zeus,
YOU ARE THE MAN! You hit the nail on the head regarding Keith. He is a liar and cannot be trusted. Keith and those other assholes at Moss better hope and pray that they never run into me.
Marc
It is not true that a stock motor can not hit 12's our 99 SI hit a 12.9 @ 6psi with the aid of a 60 shot of NOS
Lay off Keith. He's helped me with my problems and he's helped me find more boost. He probably thinks a lot of you are babies, so he won't help you.
If it wasn't for Keith, most of you wouldn't even have your JRSCs!
Why?...because he typed our orders into the computer? We've got a 72 year-old lady at my work that can take orders too.
I wont call Keith any names.....
But I will say that I have never had any good experiences with him. In fact the first time that I talked to him, he told me that my dream of making a low 12 second daily driver was irrational and impossible. And told me to call back when I came back to reality.
The second time I called him with a problem I was having, he stopped me mid-sentence and said "How tall am I?".... I thought for a second and said "I don't know.... How am I supposed to know how tall you are?".... His comment after my statement was "So how do you think I am supposed to know what's wrong with your car?"
The ONLY person I have ever talked to since is Shawn Colberg.... Maybe Keith is a smart guy.... But he seems to have forgotten people like us are the only reason Jackson is in buisness.
AHAHAahahah....How tall am I?
I'll have to remember that next time a customer asks me about something.
If I were JR, I would just politely inform people that if they are going to deviate from the stock kit, then they are on their own....without a warrantee and leave it at that. Too many problems to deal with otherwise.
[This message has been edited by ringer (edited October 26, 2000).]
And you know what..... If that were how it was handled, I would have been OK with it. This was right after the GSR kit was shipped, but they had to have known most people would want more than the stock 6psi.... Most everyone on this board is over stock boost, and of the ones that arent, most are planning to go further... its just natural to push the limits.
Everybody I know has even gone to the extent of grinding Jackson Racing off the intake manifold. And with Vortech, Rimmer and Paxton coming in the picture it could kill JRSC sales if they don't change their outlook.
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95 GSR
JRSC @ 11lbs, NOS (Track), Kamikazee Header, Nakayama Intake, Brospeed Exhuast, Unorthodox Cam Gears, RC 310cc injectors, Bosch (ENDYN modified) fuel pump, STR rail, Hyper R, Moroso catch can, B&M oil cooler, J&S SafeGuard, MSD6BTM, Blaster coil, MSD Cap, ES mounts, ES tranny bushings, ACT 6 puck, Baer 13" Kit, Slotted/Xdrilled rear, Stainless lines, M/T for the track, blah, blah, blah......
*** Motor and JRSC being rebuilt by ENDYN
Stay Tuned!
Who ever said a JRSC car can hit 12's is a bit off....look at Jim's Civic 12.65 @ 8psi....come on now...dont doubt people...this board is for people to express there ideas and questions not to bash others....grow up
the JRSC is designed to be as stock as possible.
Keith said that u cant build a street car that runs 12sec INTEGRA because street car means everyday driving, abusing it, full interior. the company built the SC in mind to be reliable, keyword RELIABLE. now how many of you had any problems with 6psi of boost? i think not. JRSC is building a SC that can truly be slapped onto a stock motor and not have to worry about it blowing or having any major problem.
AT LEAST JRSC NEVER LIED, IN FACT THEY DONT MAKE FALSE CLAIMS, OR CLAIMS THAT DONT HAVE PROOF LIKE ENDYN.
ENDYN IS A MYTH UNTIL THEY PROVE WHAT THEY SAY. UNTIL THEN, LARRY IS A THE GOD DAMN LYING MONKEY. HA HA HA HA............KEEP WASTING YOUR MONEY ON THE MONKEY.
AND GUESS WHAT? TIME WILL TELL THAT MOST LIKELY HE IS A MONKEY. HOW DARE HIM LIE AND DECIEVE, IN THE MEAN TIME MAKE U ALL WET IN THE PANTS BECAUSE HE CAN MAKE 24PSI ON A STOCK MOTOR. HA HA HA HA.....KEEP WETTING YOUR PANTS.
Sirg, you're a jerk. Grow up.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sirg:
the JRSC is designed to be as stock as possible.
Keith said that u cant build a street car that runs 12sec INTEGRA because street car means everyday driving, abusing it, full interior. the company built the SC in mind to be reliable, keyword RELIABLE. now how many of you had any problems with 6psi of boost? i think not. JRSC is building a SC that can truly be slapped onto a stock motor and not have to worry about it blowing or having any major problem.
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i know lots of people that had problems with the stock kit. mostly due to component failure (fuel pump) or design problem (no timing adjustment other than retard baseline, no additional fuel). these have led to people either having poor performers (like where the bypass only opens halfway because it hits the blower case) and others. now sure, the JR kit is designed reasonably well, but it can use a LOT of improvement in stock form. also, how many civic/teg guys complain of tip in detonation and detonation at max vol. ef.? most as far as i now.
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AT LEAST JRSC NEVER LIED, IN FACT THEY DONT MAKE FALSE CLAIMS, OR CLAIMS THAT DONT HAVE PROOF LIKE ENDYN.
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false claims seems pretty harsh. seems most everyone with problems with their JR kit has had good experiences with endyn helping them fix their problems. there are also enough people who have been in their civic or itr and no one has yet said "i wasted money on getting the endyn mods" and at $1500, it is not a very expensive thing, compared to people that bitch about getting a blower in the first place. by the way, please point to a place where endyn claims have been shown to be false...? nowhere? thought so. as far as JR claims, i have *never* seen any car beat or even match the dyno plots that were posted on the JR site, this seems to be much more misleading and more of a false claim than anything else... show me a bone stock JRSC civic that puts out 142 hp/125tq... i have seen exactly Zero.. how about a 208 hp teg? nope.
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ENDYN IS A MYTH UNTIL THEY PROVE WHAT THEY SAY. UNTIL THEN, LARRY IS A THE GOD DAMN LYING MONKEY. HA HA HA HA............KEEP WASTING YOUR MONEY ON THE MONKEY.
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a myth that a lot of people ind useful and reliable. fuel pumps that work, free advice that works, sensible list of items to make a good street car, tuning advice that works, etc etc. and again, how many dissatisfied endyn customers versus dissatisfied JR customers have you heard of? as far as proof, again, i think that the products, advice and work speak for themselves...
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AND GUESS WHAT? TIME WILL TELL THAT MOST LIKELY HE IS A MONKEY. HOW DARE HIM LIE AND DECIEVE, IN THE MEAN TIME MAKE U ALL WET IN THE PANTS BECAUSE HE CAN MAKE 24PSI ON A STOCK MOTOR. HA HA HA HA.....KEEP WETTING YOUR PANTS. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
that's pretty harsh... how many racing programs has endyn been involved in for how many decades? JR? time will tell that most probably everyone is more than happy with what they have received or will get from endyn.
keep being ignorant.
[This message has been edited by vactor (edited October 26, 2000).]
[This message has been edited by vactor (edited October 26, 2000).]
sirg:
If YOU had actually purchased something from Endyn, you would have a different opinion.
I can say that with 99% certainty. It's not worth the energy to say any more than that.
sirg,
I've got to disagree with you completely. I've bought products from Endyn and have been TOTALLY satisfied with the quality. Nothing was ever misrepresented or exaggerated. Larry also offers free high quality advice and is very generous with his time.
Enough said.
Sirg has obviously never met or spoken with Larry or has any clue about ENDYN and their history.
Those of us that know and have dealt with Larry have no doubt in his abilities.
Sirg:
Does your mom know you stayed home from school today?
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95 GSR
JRSC @ 11lbs, NOS (Track), Kamikazee Header, Nakayama Intake, Brospeed Exhuast, Unorthodox Cam Gears, RC 310cc injectors, Bosch (ENDYN modified) fuel pump, STR rail, Hyper R, Moroso catch can, B&M oil cooler, J&S SafeGuard, MSD6BTM, Blaster coil, MSD Cap, ES mounts, ES tranny bushings, ACT 6 puck, Baer 13" Kit, Slotted/Xdrilled rear, Stainless lines, M/T for the track, blah, blah, blah......
*** Motor and JRSC being rebuilt by ENDYN
Stay Tuned!
Indeed this is a very touchy topic comparing 2 businesses with great products but How is Endyn going to sell thier superchargers if JR owns them? Also about how much do Endyn mods go for? I believe someone on the oard was going to get thier car dynoed after the mods from Endyn does anyone know who that was?
I have purchased a few parts from Larry and I have talked to him a few times on the phone and thru email. He is EXTREMELY knowledgable, helpful, and all around a great guy. I enjoyed hearing his "war" stories about what happened in different racing series and all sorts of other cool stuff. When I had a problem with the J&S he helped me work thru and discover the problems. Much better customer service than JR, they always give me some BS where Larry will give advice even if he has no sale. Larry wants to change the import scene to cut out all the lies, other companies seem to like to perpetuate them, like spreading false or misleading dyno plots. I will definitely get my blower done by larry and buy any part that he sells because i know it will work, and will work right from the beginning. Hell I have replaced 2 JR fuel pumps, now my FPR is going. Am i gonna get another from them, HELL NO, time for a cartech. The only product that I think actually works has been the BTC from them, but only time will really tell on that.
Its scary how many people waste their time here that are truly uneducated. Stop spreading the BS.
Steve
I know ENDYN's claims may seem outrageous but I have seen enough proof that ENDYN isn't full of it. A professor at my old engineering college (who practically invented TRICK fuel) was developing a way if injecting fuel in a super fine mist and was running motors at over 20-1 CR so seemingly outrageous claims can hold some truth.
It seems like the ENDYN JRSC mod helps out the efficiency of the SC greatly but not as much as their own SC. I am in the pre-buying stage of a JRSC. I have considered waiting to find a good used one and sending it to ENDYN but for about the same $ (theoretically) I could get a 100% ENDYN charger when they come out.
My question is <BIG>WHEN IS IT COMING OUT?</BIG> There haven't been any updates regarding the SC in quite a while (with the exception of the minor update on the FAQ's). I would love to see some status updates!
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Bill Winters
Houston, TX
'94 bone stock GSR
The simple answer is, of course, when it's ready. I know...That's not a very useful thing to say but I think that it is the best answer you're going to get. The Endyn blower is a very ambitious project. Setting aside some of the debated facts Larry is going for a CARB legal intercooled blower with full traction controll and other goodies above and WAY beyond what JR is selling. That takes a lot of time to run the bugs out before going into production and selling to the general public. When it comes to something for my car it makes me happy to see a company have a zero-bug-tollerance.And you have to remember he's not just developing this thing for one modle of motor which addins more time to the development cycle, especially if he's trying to make as many of the parts as interchangable as possible.
Think about how long it's taking JR to bring a Prelude blower to market and that's simpler system than what Endyn is working on.
I've chatted with Larry once or twice in Email and he sounded credible to me. I've seen nothing to make me doubt his ability to deliver the good when the goods are ready to be delivered.
Sean
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99 GS-R w/ JRSC@6PSI. ES torque mounts & shift stabilizer kit. Oh..And a filter onna stick.
[This message has been edited by FoxRocket (edited October 26, 2000).]
...no, I was not aluding to Keith being a monkey. My point was that a "few insights" are not quite two decades or so of experience in many venues of racing technology(my example vs yours). Young man... which you must be to have such a short temper... let other's feelings and rants slide off of your back, rather than let your blood pressure rise so.
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1998' 4dr GSR, 8psi JRSC w/hand ported plenum, Walbro HP fuel pump, valves set to .005i/.006e, MSD BTM, B&M CommandFlo regulator(working it out), stock intake w/resinator cut off at fenderwell for "cool air", Greddy sp exhaust, Tokico Illumina 5-ways, Neuspeed springs(sux!), Skunkworks 22mm rear swaybar, ES motor mounts and front swaybar bushings, Yokohama AVS 205/50/15's, Metal Master brake pads(KVR Carbon Fibre pads sitting on work bench) ,B&M fuel pressure gauge, Autometer sport comp A/F gauge in dimmer location...
YLW 00' ITR #00-1011 with AEM CAI and 143db triple air horns
Honest officer, I had no idea how fast I was going...the speedometer only gos to 150...
Get paid to surf the Web!!! http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=TUD-039
I told myself not to get into this debate, but I can't help myself.
I HAVE had the ENDYN mods done. And as someone said I spent $1500 and do not regret it one bit. I am completely satisfied. So much that I sent an engine to be built for another ~$3000. Plus lots of other stuff over the years. I knop that alot of folks don't care too much about G-tech numbers, but I just do not have the time to get to the One shop that has one here. My 1/4 mile time suck, so I won't even go there. Let's just say I have a hard time keeping tire spin under control. However, doing Hp runs with the G-tech is much easier because you don't have to worry about hammering it out of the hole and shifting. I have logged 173 whp, repeatedly. I'd say that wasn't bad, considering someone with a blown ITR, on another topic on this board, was getting the same HP. And I feel like I haven't tuned it to perfection yet. Everybody feel free to make your own conclusions about that...
As far as the ENDYN kits go, there's alot more to it than just build and ship it. I talk to Larry pretty often, whether I'm buying something, asking a question, or just shooting the shit. So I have word from his own mouth. Not only are there the things mentioned above, but there is also the fact that a dedicated facility was set-up exclusively to build the kits. There are also suppliers where smaller items are sourced from, and if they can't follow thru, that sets other things behind. Plus, the fact that personnel had to be hired to run the plant, not to mention R&D for each application, CARB approval and so forth. And let's not forget about the time spent "shooting the shit" with all of his regulars, answering questions on his BBS, worrying about the smaller components he has for sale. All this, and they still have to do the stuff that pays their bill, like engines for Jeff Gordon, and all the others, who have deadlines. I won't even go into the other stuff they do that's not even in the automotive industry...needless to say there's alot to do.
I'm off the pedistal.
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Phil
93 Civic Coupe, ENDYN built D16Y7, ENDYN modded JRSC, ENDYN/Thompson intake tube w/ cold air "bath tub", Kamikazi, GReddy 2.25, J&S, MSD 6BTM, RC 310s, Field SFC, Clutchmasters stage 3 & aluminum flywheel, Quaife, Moroso catch oil separator (catch can), various suspension & brake mods
I told myself not to get into this debate, but I can't help myself.
I HAVE had the ENDYN mods done. And as someone said I spent $1500 and do not regret it one bit. I am completely satisfied. So much that I sent an engine to be built for another ~$3000. Plus lots of other stuff over the years. I know that alot of folks don't care too much about G-tech numbers, but I just do not have the time to get to the ONLY shop that has one here. My 1/4 mile times suck, so I won't even go there. Let's just say I have a hard time keeping tire spin under control. However, doing HP runs with the G-tech is much easier because you don't have to worry about hammering it out of the hole and shifting as fast. I have logged 173 whp, repeatedly. I'd say that wasn't bad, considering someone with a blown ITR, on another topic on this board, was getting the same HP. And I feel like I haven't tuned it to perfection yet. Everybody feel free to make your own conclusions from there...
As far as the ENDYN kits go, there's alot more to it than just build and ship it. I talk to Larry pretty often, whether I'm buying something, asking a question, or just shooting the shit. So I have word from his own mouth. Not only are there the things mentioned above, but there is also the fact that a dedicated facility was set-up exclusively to build the kits. There are also suppliers where smaller items are sourced from, and if they can't follow thru, that sets other things behind. Plus, the fact that personnel had to be hired to run the plant, not to mention R&D for each application, CARB approval and so forth. And let's not forget about the time spent "shooting the shit" with all of his regulars, answering questions on his BBS, worrying about the smaller components he has for sale. All this, and they still have to do the stuff that pays their bill, like engines for Jeff Gordon, and all the others, who have deadlines. I won't even go into the other stuff they do that's not even in the automotive industry...needless to say there's alot to do.
I'm off the pedistal.
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Phil
93 Civic Coupe, ENDYN built D16Y7, ENDYN modded JRSC, ENDYN/Thompson intake tube w/ cold air "bath tub", Kamikazi, GReddy 2.25, J&S, MSD 6BTM, RC 310s, Field SFC, Clutchmasters stage 3 & aluminum flywheel, Quaife, Moroso catch oil separator (catch can), various suspension & brake mods
...I didn't want to go that far, but well said...
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1998' 4dr GSR, 8psi JRSC w/hand ported plenum, Walbro HP fuel pump, valves set to .005i/.006e, MSD BTM, B&M CommandFlo regulator(working it out), stock intake w/resinator cut off at fenderwell for "cool air", Greddy sp exhaust, Tokico Illumina 5-ways, Neuspeed springs(sux!), Skunkworks 22mm rear swaybar, ES motor mounts and front swaybar bushings, Yokohama AVS 205/50/15's, Metal Master brake pads(KVR Carbon Fibre pads sitting on work bench) ,B&M fuel pressure gauge, Autometer sport comp A/F gauge in dimmer location...
YLW 00' ITR #00-1011 with AEM CAI and 143db triple air horns
Honest officer, I had no idea how fast I was going...the speedometer only gos to 150...
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People can't talk shit about making those numbers on a stock motor. The stock honda block is excellent.. it's all about tuning. Larry has tuned more cars then everyone here added up. Cylinder pressure is MUCH less likely to kill your motor then detonation is. Get a lambda meter and tune damnit!
i said the 400hp on a stock motor claim is false. he has nothing to back that up. is that not true? FYI, i got 10psi of boost with lsd, and i still have problem keeping my wheel from spinning during 1st 2nd, and sometimes 3rd. and wow, i spent a whooping $80 for a pulley...hee hee, sure beats $1500 to get it modded.
while some poeple have lots of problem with JRSC, i had great results with it, with stock 6psi of boost, i am made 225hp@the wheel. which is damn good for 6psi. i only ran it for about 2 weeks, before switching to 10psi pulley. with 10psi, i made about 260@the wheel
the point that i am trying to make is, if they give you a 3inch pulley with the mod, ofcourse its gonna feel god damn faster. if what he says is entirely true, u dont even need to get a smaller blower pulley since he "tuned the sc so well". i wanna see what numbers you guys are getting with the endyn mod SC.
you should be getting way more than 260hp, why? because with the 3inch pulley, ur getting more boost AND he modded SC. so you should make 300hp no problem. now if u are making lets say 270-280hp. then would u not have wasted your money? i spent $100 to get to 260, and u gotta spend $1500 to get 270-280. if u can get more than 300hp, then congrat, his shit works, but if not..... maybe its not as good as they say.
btw i didnt say larry makes bad things, where did u get that from. i said that his 400hp 24psi teg unreal. and yes, it is unreal. the name larry and endyn got you all dreaming. because you want yo believe that u can spend $3500 and get around 400hp teg. its not gonna happen. he may know his shit, but hes just shitting about the 400hp teg SC that they will sell you.
btw i didnt speak or buy anything from larry because i had no problem with my car. for that matter even if i had problem, i'd gone to back to jr.
i'll stop commenting on this tread. since you all are endyn believers. well, heck... you all can believe what u wanna believe. but some of use just dont wanna believe until there is proof.
Sirg, 260? w/ a stock GSR JRSC and 10psi pulley? Did you dyno it? G-tech? 1/4?
Since your not an Endyn fan, I am sure you can supply some "proof" of your achievements.