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I've decided to save up my pennies! I want to buy a real decent pedal or double pedal. I'm currently looking at an DW 5000 or an Tama Iron Cobra, I've tried out the Tama and was astounded at the feel. But I know that DW make some of the best pedals as well. I know that the DW 9000 is the best but is too expensive for a pedal.Which is better out of the DW 5000 and Tama Iron Cobra?
Cheers
Speaking of...
I have two DW 5000 [Dbl-] pedals [single-chains]...one fr the mid-80's & 1 fr the early 90's...
They are OK, but when I saw the Jo Jo clip, where he's doing the heel-toe-bounce technique thing on the single pedal [& also in Gratton's vids], I realize that he MUST have a longer & wider footboard than my DWs [img]graemlins/grrr.gif[/img] ...& then there's Virg & lang's pedals...what's the best DP on the market today? Any thoughts on this? I am looking into getting an up to date [dbl-] pedal, one that can accomaodate the contempo techniques of dbl kick playing a la Virg, Lang, Minnemann, & Mangini...AWA the contempo rapid single kick tchnq such as Jo Jo & Rick G...thx in adv
I know Pete C might have some input here... [img]wink.gif[/img]
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ September 21, 2004 03:58 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">One thing you can test is put you finger on the "sweet spot" of the pedal and hit , when the beater go back you will notice a Difference between Tama and DW , DW ( 9000 ) have almost nothing to resist while Tama have Some [img]confused.gif[/img] , that help to play faster double [img]wink.gif[/img]Quote:
Originally posted by timwecklfan:
I've decided to save up my pennies! I want to buy a real decent pedal or double pedal. I'm currently looking at an DW 5000 or an Tama Iron Cobra, I've tried out the Tama and was astounded at the feel. But I know that DW make some of the best pedals as well. I know that the DW 9000 is the best but is too expensive for a pedal.Which is better out of the DW 5000 and Tama Iron Cobra?
Cheers
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ September 21, 2004 05:00 PM: Message edited by: donu ]</font>
I have DW 5000 Dbl pedals and recently bought the 9000 and love them. The ONLY complaint I have with DW is there dumb idea to put lock tite on all the screws. Each time that I have had a problem it is on the road and impossible to get apart to repair. I have had to buy new pedals each time and rip them apart when I get home. I hope someone from DW reads this and explains the idea behind all the lock tite. I do own a screw driver and owned old Camco pedals and have never had a problem with a screw coming out and lost. I have heard that a hair dryer will loosen the screw,mmmmm I am bald and dont carry a hair dryer and the wimpy ones in the hotels forget. Had a problem in Denver and Rupps did not even have any tools to get them apart so I got the 9000 then. Have a student that repairs floor sanders and he even had a problem getting them out and he takes out rusted coated with little tiny bits of wood and had to pop a couple of the screw heads off and then drill them out. So easy to do in the morel room before the next gig. Otherwise I love DW pedals. Thanks for listening to me rant. [img]mad.gif[/img] [img]cool.gif[/img]
If you find yourself in that problem of getting a screw out with loctite, use a hairdryer on the screw first, heat it up then try backing the screw out. Should do the trick.
Tried that trick in Vail before Denver the next day.......2 beers and 20 minutes of hair dryer and no use.2 beers at that elevation work really well, but the hair dryer did nothing. Even the burly road manger and his big ass screw driver could not loosen them......One or 2 would turn but the rest were frozen in place. Buddy said a little drop would do and looked like they held the tube of lock tite over the holes and filled away and then put the screws in.
BTW ....LA guys I will be in town at Cafe Boogaloo on Nov 20. Will Post the itinerary for the tour that starts Oct 8 in Denver and go across to Florida and back again to LAs Vegas, San Diego and then LA and back to Portland to my own bed then. Maybe we can hook up for a beer if anyone is free. Will keep everyone posted.
All I can say is that between the two I would go for the iron cobra, since I personally very much dislike dw pedals. I've owned a couple and played on countless ones; and it's ALWAYS the same thing for me, with all of the fancy-schmancy ball bearing technology, all you wind up with is the nasty feeling that the pedal is playing you and not vice versa...and that's not how it should be...
Best buy I ever did for a pedal was the cheapest pearl one... great feel, no hassle, and especially the fact that I'm not feeling like I'm not the one doing the actual playing.. which is the case w/ dw for me....
If you can somehow get the money together to buy the DW9000's......... I think they are the cat's meow.
I saw Gregg Bisonette at La Ve Lee in Sherman Oaks California several months ago. Been years since I've seen him. After the gig I went up to him to say hi and saw his new B.D. pedals. I asked "what were those??". Greg sez, "they're the new Titanium DW 9000's". Said he loved them. After that I was on a mission to find me a set (double pedals). Turns out the "Titanium" pedals were a limited edition (only 200 or so pedals made). So at guitar center, I spend something like 4 hours setting up all the different pedals on a decently tuned kit. The DW9000 pedal is definetly the bomb. If you look at the main fixture as to where the pivot is, it is beefcake. It makes the DW pedal ultra solid, and therefore very sensitive. The sprocket for the beater spins on the shaft using huge sealed Japanese precision bearings rather than the whole shaft turning in the tower housings with small bearings. Gives a great center of gravity feel. I can do stuff on my DW pedal that I cannot on my Yamaha's. It has more adjustments than an electric side view mirror. I run the pedal box stock and love it to death. If there is any way you can get the DW, I highly recommend it. Maybe you can get a used one on E-bay?? Good luck man.
Don't pass GO until you try the
Eliminators, which I think are
the best buy.
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Everyone keeps talking about who they saw playing what, just go to a music store and spend some time on each one YOURSELF... Pedals are so personal and everybody has an opinion that may have nothing to do with how your body feels to them. I can sit down and with in 5 minutes, I can tell if the pedal and I are going to get along... Good luck!!!
Sammy J.
Hi Guys,
Don't forget one thing very important, Jojo, Thomas or all this great drummer can play their stuff on all drums or drum pedals that you could find...
Have some good gear helps, but the drummer is the key.
Peace.
I agree with drumdawg and N40. Spend lots-o-time at a pro shop and try them all!! Don't take anybodies word. If the salesman gives you a hard time, get pissed and tell them to piss off you wanker. Get away from me you tosser!! (that'll learn em!). But really.... if they give you a hard time like they do at these McDonalds of music stores out here, tell em your gonna buy something and you need to make sure its what you want. Play them with a kit that is similar to what you're using. Get "comfortable" with them. N40's point is true.... but good equipment just makes it that much easier to be consistant.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LMAOQuote:
2 beers at that elevation work really well, but the hair dryer did nothing. Even the burly road manger and his big ass screw driver could not loosen them
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Man, I swear to ya, I've tried the heel-toe-bounce technq on my very early 90's DW 5000 DP & there's NO go...for one, if I back up my foot to the sweet spot [out from the "toes practically under the beater /chain sprocket /cam position"], there's no more room left on the 'floorboard' for the 'heel-spring'...VERY small footboard... [img]eek.gif[/img] [img]confused.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/grrr.gif[/img] [img]frown.gif[/img]Quote:
Jojo, Thomas or all this great drummer can play their stuff on all drums or drum pedals that you could find
Does anyone know what kind of pedal Jo Jo uses?
Thx to all for the suggestions...PC, I will look into those E's also. ;c)
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ September 22, 2004 03:48 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LMAOQuote:
Originally posted by FuseU1:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> 2 beers at that elevation work really well, but the hair dryer did nothing. Even the burly road manger and his big ass screw driver could not loosen them
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Does anyone know what kind of pedal Jo Jo uses?Quote:
Jojo, Thomas or all this great drummer can play their stuff on all drums or drum pedals that you could find
<font color="#a62a2a"><font size="1">[ September 22, 2004 03:48 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font></font></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">1Sonor phonic Z53 70 (discontinued) with a nylon strap (low spring-tension).
Note: Jojo is currently developing and designing a prototype pedal by himself to specifically accommodate his way of playing.
http://www.jojomayer.com/html/basic__set_up.html
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THX, donu [img]cool.gif[/img]
My pedal is a DW 5002 A single chain from around 1996. At the time, it was THE pedal to have, which was the reason I bought it. It has held up pretty well over the years, but with recent developments (new pedal designs and guys like Virgil, Mangini, Lang taking pedal technique to a whole other stratosphere) I feel it leaves something to be desired.
As Burzmali pointed out, one of my biggest complaints is that it feels like the pedal is playing me, not the other way around. So all the DW advertising about the bearings and hinges and universals and this and that doesn't really mean much to me.
Another thing I don't like is that the footboard is kind of small (I wear size 13 flippers), and the heel is studded and squared-off (unlike the smooth, tapered heel of the Pearl Eliminators).
Weckl said that when he helped design the new Yamaha Flying Dragon pedals, he insisted that the bearings be "toned down" because he was tired of the pedal playing him. I've tried that pedal in the stores, and it's got a good feel, but it's got a small footboard and that squared-off heel plate--great if you have small feet, but I could never get comfortable playing it.
To my untrained eye, I will say that the DW 9000 really looks like an impressive piece of machinery. It's a very smooth action, and the footboard seems to be a little bigger, but it's got that cursed DW feel that it's playing me (plus that damned square heel plate).
The Pearl Eliminators seem to be a great design and a great value. I've tried them out (I even got to play Virgil's pedal on his drumkit, and Mangini's on his drums after a clinic)....Virgil's felt pretty good, but Mangini's and the ones I've tried in stores felt a little "off"....the action just didn't seem right to me.
The Iron Cobra has an okay action, but the footboard size and heelplate just don't feel comfortable to me.
I want to get a new pedal, but I'm a little hesitant to spend any cash now......I get the feeling we are on the verge of a new wave of pedal designs coming out. There's the Bob Gatzen DW pedal, and rumors of more manufacturers coming out with direct-drive linkages, new cam options, and bigger/longer footboards.
Anyway....happy hunting, and above all, get whatever works best for you....
This past weekend I lost everything that I owned when a storage unit I was renting flooded.
The only things that survived were the DW 5000 double pedal and a Dewalt drill. I will be a staunch supporter of both brands here on out.
ebarker9 - SORRY to hear that, man...you must be in one of those areas that was affected by all these da** hurricanes/tropical storms[?]... [img]eek.gif[/img]<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My sents. exactly - sometimes it feels as if it's playing you...but it is a decent pedal, & it has held up well over all these years...unlike the early 80's one I had b4 it...Quote:
As Burzmali pointed out, one of my biggest complaints is that it feels like the pedal is playing me, not the other way around
Thx 4 the suggestions the rest of you guys...
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ September 24, 2004 02:12 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>
Try the Sonor Giant Step....yes it's pricey, but it's the best-feeling pedal I've ever played.
I own an Iron Cobra, Pearl 101, Axis X, and a cheap Yamaha pedal belonging to a Yammy Rydeen kit. The Yammy is the best of the four by a long margin, until I tried a Janus Ergo. OK, the bearings aren't up to the Yammy standard, but they do supply a spare pair on the single pedal, and once I had worked out how to fit the strap (no instructions) I can do stuff on this machine that I can't do on the others. I changed the beater for a felt ball type, and I'm happy! I don't have the money for a DW or Axis longboard, nor can I try them out near where I live, so in the meantime, the Janus will do. Worth a look. Oh, and despite rumours, you do not have to move further out from the bass drum to play this monster, in fact, for some styles, I had to move IN!
Ian the Red
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">When you say that you mean that it feel Too smooth ? you prefer that have more to do ? , i always feel that the best pedal ( for me ) is when you didn't feel the pedal , you feet play and you have the sound on the bass drum , not that the pedal slow down you feet [img]graemlins/sure.gif[/img]Quote:
Originally posted by mja61:
As Burzmali pointed out, one of my biggest complaints is that it feels like the pedal is playing me, not the other way around. So all the DW advertising about the bearings and hinges and universals and this and that doesn't really mean much to me.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Can you tell me where he say that ? or copy the text here , i'll like to see he's advice about this point [img]tongue.gif[/img]Quote:
Weckl said that when he helped design the new Yamaha Flying Dragon pedals, he insisted that the bearings be "toned down" because he was tired of the pedal playing him.
ebarker...............really sorry to hear this news, are you covered in anyway thru the storage company or privately?
Thanks for the support guys...unfortunately I wasn't covered for anything. I just finished grad school and I was waiting to move into a new place-just timed it badly I guess.
Regardless, I'm really happy with the DW pedal although it seems like pretty much any high quality pedal is completely overbuilt these days. The bottom line is to find a place where you can try a few different pedals back to back and fiddle with the adjustments. I'm really finicky about gear setup to the point where, if I'm not comfortable with the setup, I can barely execute anything. Just trying it in a store, the DW seemed to fit my style and became an extension of me in a short amount of time. Good luck with your selection.
I just put together my Axis-A
Longboard Twins. Perfect.
Axix-X's are no comparison to
the Axis-A's, with their Vari-
able Drive Levers.
Remember, I changed my springs
to lower gauge but as long as
the heavies and they just are
liquid smooth and responsive.
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