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Originally posted by kidpreacher:
I never agreed to any type of loan
<font size="3" face="Sylfaen, Verdana, Helvetica">Only a majority has to agree, and in the case of the loan that happened, no one objected.
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and had no understanding nor knowledge of a loan taking place.
<font size="3" face="Sylfaen, Verdana, Helvetica">Anyone who was reading the board at the time had the opportunity to know about it since they did ask if it was okay before doing the deal.
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I disagree with the premise of a loan in Simgalaxy. It shifts the balance of power with gain but no Immmediate loss in any area.
<font size="3" face="Sylfaen, Verdana, Helvetica">By this logic, other transactions that must be eliminated:</font><ul type="square">[*]<font size="3" face="Sylfaen, Verdana, Helvetica">Trading draft picks for draft picks in a different year</font>[*]<font size="3" face="Sylfaen, Verdana, Helvetica">Trading a player now or cash now for a future draft pick</font>[*]<font size="3" face="Sylfaen, Verdana, Helvetica">Trading a 19 year old AA guy on your bench for a veteran. (Keep in mind you did say gain with no "Immediate" loss. Giving up a benched guy results in no immediate loss.)</font>[/list]<font size="3" face="Sylfaen, Verdana, Helvetica">
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There is no loss in player talent as there would be in a cash for player deal.
<font size="3" face="Sylfaen, Verdana, Helvetica">Obviously, since this is a cash for cash deal. There is also no loss in player talent in a cash for player or cash for draft pick deal. At least for one side of the transaction.
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There is no loss in any position of an organization.
<font size="3" face="Sylfaen, Verdana, Helvetica">Not true. 4H is going to have a lower fame rank, less money for bonuses, less money for training, less money for contracts, etc. Any gain made by GK is balanced by 4H's loss. If you think that this loan was a bad deal for 4H, that's one thing, but you can't claim that there was no loss involved.
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Plus 4h has no control over the collecting of said loan. GK has a year to make the payment and he can make it at anytime during the year.
<font size="3" face="Sylfaen, Verdana, Helvetica">That sounds to me like the payment schedule was agreed on. As far as having "control" there are multiple deals that have been made which rely on one person to fulfill their obligations later. In fact, I owe GK a future draft pick. If 4H accepts that there's some risk involved (after all, GK could die), I don't know why you're going to tell him he can't take the risk.
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NO immediate loss with an immediate gain equals a shift in balance of the league.
<font size="3" face="Sylfaen, Verdana, Helvetica">This is always the case. If I trade away my starters for good youth, I'm shifting the balance in the league. I get worse in the short term hoping to get better in the long term. A team I trade with might go on to win the championship. Are you saying that we shouldn't be allowed to trade vets for youth?
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Plus why didn't they post the question with a posting of Possible Loan. In my mind and most owners, a deal is involving players, I never even assumed that there was a loan in that posting.
<font size="3" face="Sylfaen, Verdana, Helvetica">I think you may be reaching too far when you say "most owners." Who else do you know that didn't read it? They did post and ask if it would be acceptable to the league. If they were trying to be underhanded about it they could have included a couple of players and gone ahead without asking. If anyone who read the post thought it was being sneaky, they could have easily posted a new thread called calling attention to the loan thread.
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