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    Hi there! A.Penman here...writer and big time music lover. The musical love of my life has been American Jazz, but that's not to exclude some of the great jazz that's been coming from elsewhere in the world. European and middle eastern musicians have been bringing a new and wonderful slant to jazz over the last few years. Under the jazz umbrella, too, falls another favorite: Latin/Cuban/Afro-Cuban. IMHO, the marriage of jazz improvisation and Afro-Cuban rhythms is a match made in heaven! Other forms of music i like are classical (i'm fond of string quartets) and rock. I'll even listen to a little bit of country (not too much). Although i have to confess to only superficial knowledge of the last two. So, if you want to express your likes (musical) discuss or even recommend some music, hit me up with a post. I'd love to hear from you!
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    PS: I don't consider Kenny G or any of his ilk to be real Jazz. So, no Smooth Jazz will be discussed here.
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    I give this topic 5 Dave Kos and a Postmodern Jukebox
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    Quote Originally Posted by catfightlover40 View Post
    I give this topic 5 Dave Kos and a Postmodern Jukebox
    Dude!!!

    You just made my morning with a full belly laugh!!!

    Dave Kos makes me almost as nauseous as Kenny G.

    As for PostModern Jukebox, I remember seeing them once, but I had to go back to YouTube in order to understand your reference. They seem to be reasonable musicians, but that's about it. Otherwise, watching them is like finding yourself in the middle of a giant cliche that has no escape. The video of "All About That Bass" plays that cliche to an obscene degree. Two foxy women, one sitting on a stool with the skirt just above the knee, the other standing to the right (she might have been the lead vocalist) ever so gently shaking her ample hips...Both women were pretty, but I couldn't continue watching. Everything about it was calculated and annoying.

    I don't know if you remember The Pointer Sisters, but when they first came on to the music scene, me and my lady friend at the time went to see them. Well. all of them came out on stage that night wearing clothing, makeup and hairstyles from the late 1940s. I remember thinking a. What the fuck? b. They don't need to do that shit. They all can sing very well. I guess it was something they felt they needed to do to make themselves stand out. Totally unnecessary, as far as I was concerned. Luckily they dropped that persona.

    Anyway, now that you've poked fun at me, (I'm tough, I'll get over it.) if you feel like participating any further in this "groundbreaking" thread, I wouldn't mind hearing your actual musical opinion sometime. You've already distinguished yourself by being the first post responder. I suggest that you go find a quiet place (perhaps a beverage) and allow yourself to bask in the significance of what you have accomplished here.

    Be well, my brother,

    A.P.

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    I wasn't poking fun at you The reason behind my mentioning Dave is because he has (or on the account that I haven't regularly listened to the station, he used to have) a radio show from Chicago, that featured guests trading stories about past legends, and also gave a venue to new musicians to showcase their talent.

    There's a sadly easy answer why female performers do things you described, and that's because, like with many other areas in life, before they can make it big, they have to please the people that give them gigs. It's ironic since jazz, and music, in general, is supposed to be about artistic expression.

    I'm quite happy you made a topic like that since I've always felt a bit icky responding in topics that aren't related to fetish with a username like mine. It's a life goal of mine to at least once visit the Montreux Jazz Festival, Chicago, Paris, Shanghai, Kyoto, maybe even Sun City.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catfightlover40 View Post
    I wasn't poking fun at you The reason behind my mentioning Dave is because he has (or on the account that I haven't regularly listened to the station, he used to have) a radio show from Chicago, that featured guests trading stories about past legends, and also gave a venue to new musicians to showcase their talent.

    There's a sadly easy answer why female performers do things you described, and that's because, like with many other areas in life, before they can make it big, they have to please the people that give them gigs. It's ironic since jazz, and music, in general, is supposed to be about artistic expression.

    I'm quite happy you made a topic like that since I've always felt a bit icky responding in topics that aren't related to fetish with a username like mine. It's a life goal of mine to at least once visit the Montreux Jazz Festival, Chicago, Paris, Shanghai, Kyoto, maybe even Sun City.
    Dude,

    I didn't think you were really making fun of me. I merely thought you were following up on my statement that I wasn't interested in discussing smooth Jazz. Either way, your response was hilarious.

    As for Dave Kos, as mentioned, I never cared much for his smooth Jazz style, but perhaps I have not given him due credit. It would be interesting to hear his Chicago radio show.

    Sure, the women in Postmodern Jukebox were selling sex, but the whole persona troubled me. Thing was, I thought the girl had a nice voice and they seemed like good musicians.

    This hesitation I have over stuff like that is rooted in the fact that I've been a regular in Jazz night clubs and concert halls since my teens. And even though I now live in small town New England, I still manage to get to 3-4 live concerts a year. Real Jazz musicians just go up there and play. They play the melody, go off on extended improvised solos, return to the melody and close out the song. No gimmicks. Just great music. And its never the same song played the same way twice. I remember, in my youth, sitting at the bar in a Jazz nightclub and listening to the bartender complain that "these guys never play the same song the same way, they're always changing it." I believe my response was, "that's the whole idea."

    I'm glad you like the fact that I've opened up a forum for musical discussion, Jazz in particular. We'll see how it goes.

    A.P.

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    I'm very much a jazz lover, in spite of the fact that it was only a sort of tolerated art form by the state (you can't really have the freedom of jazz and have obedient little drones of communism), though I never could go to such bars, and my fear of crowds pretty much prevents me from going to concerts.

    As an art form, jazz literally opened the world for African Americans to escape Jim Crow, and they left their mark in various places, most commonly known outside the US in London and Paris, but my main interest is Shanghai and Kyoto. This is because Western music by its evolution is plenty similar everywhere, while in Asia, the elements of Western African music fusing with East Asian elements was a battle of independence in its own right.

    In the case of the Chinese, getting gigs in the clubs of the International Settlement literally meant putting food on the table and avoidance of affairs of Republican China and the Japanese Empire. Now, shortly after the civil war, Shanghai was made to be an example to weed out everything the regime, and then much of society felt was wrong with China. The Western music culture got banned, and by 1992, with the partial reopening to the West, almost everything had to be built from the ground up. I'm especially interested in the life stories of African American musicians, whose lives got influenced by military conflicts of their host countries, and how unfortunate relations of the time influenced their fates by way of prioritizing evacuations.

    The Japanese case has similar elements both prewar, and postwar. A few weeks ago a jazz musician died in Japan, who went to prison for his art in the '30s (Tojo and his like-minded ilk felt Western music is anti-Japanese) and who protested in the '50s for the state decision to practically defund non-Japanese music. Even after the war, many in Japan's music business felt that only traditional Japanese music and folk songs (enka, aka the Japanese country music) have a place in their society, and stonewalled attempts to have different music recorded and published. Take note however, that it was true within traditional music as well. In the early '70s, during the Vietnam War, pro-Empire sentiments flared up again (the usual "if the Americans had not joined the war, there wouldn't be communist uprisings under Japan's glorious guidance) and artists, who either protested war itself or just protested imperial sentiments could face banishment and/or death threats.

    I used to have a friend in Hong Kong who sent me a copy of Sapporo Snowy, a very beautiful pop-ish folk song (if you recall the Beatles being booed in Japan, you might remember that pop music was loathed as well) by a singer, who with a few other Japanese found a career in Taiwan as at the time no Japanese producer dared touching and supporting works of artists who protested the government.
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