TRIBE-Vikings

**imported_Sportsman** · October 12th, 2008, 08:15 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ironlung</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Shame on you for joining in on the everyone should get a trophy parade. It's not a lie to say this is the weakest PV team I've seen in watching them for over 20 years. It's the truth. It doesn't mean that they haven't "played hard" or " represented their school and the tradition of Viking football well". It's a fact. It's a matter of talent levels being down as well as maybe some of the ones out there not being dedicated enough to be better. Encouraging them and telling them you're proud of their efforts and accomplishments when you're getting little of the first and far less than average of the second is going to get nothing more than what you're getting. They need to know the truth. The truth is, if you don't put forth the effort, if you don't dedicate yourself, this is what you're going to get. That pat on the back and we're so proud of you stuff at JJK has got you 5-5 or much worse at Kelly for the better part of 2 decades now, if they start that in BSG that's what they can expect. Tell the kids when they do good, when they play poorly or show little effort tell them then too. They're young, but they're not stupid. </div></div>

I didn't say reward lack of effort, did I????? No, don't think so. The two games I've seen PV play, this kids played their hearts out, left it all on the field like you're supposed to. What more do you want? They can't help it if they don't have the talent of their predecessors. I'm just saying don't down them because they don't. Quit reading more into my posts than what I've said.

I've spoke my peace.

**Ironlung** · October 12th, 2008, 08:48 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Saying things like this is the worst PV(or anybody else) team ever or they are weak, or they stink is really uncalled for.</div></div>

You don't confront bad effort and lack of hard work by "get out there and encourage these kids, tell them you are proud of how hard they play, not how proud you are of their accomplishments".

They are weak. It is the weakest team I have seen them field in over 20 years. There's no other way around it and saying otherwise and trying to con these kids into thinking they're good or the effort and hard work being put in are enough to get by, is doing them an injustice.

I'd agree with you if people were saying things in a mean spirited way. Telling the truth and saying that they aren't very good and may very well be the worst PV team in 20 years, is just a fact. If saying that somehow deminishes what you think JJK got by winning Friday, then JJK needs to step it up in years that PV is over .500.

**Unchained** · October 12th, 2008, 10:27 PM

At no point did Sportsman say hand them a trophy. The kids at PV played their arses off Friday night. Whether they are 10-0,or 0-10 they deserve some support.I hope that you will do so at Clintwood when this cycle of good football players that you all have ends (and it will soon,as the feeder team(s) at Clintwood weren't competitive this year). I am as anti-coddling and non-trophy for everyone as they come,but that wasn't what Sportsman was hitting on.

**sup-rbeast** · October 12th, 2008, 10:28 PM

I agree...it is the weakest team at PV in a long long time. Doesn't mean they won't be good in the future...but the truth is, this bunch peaked at Richlands...and the staff haven't really had a defensive scheme since. Or better phrased, they haven't adjusted a defensive scheme since. I don't understand what's so hard about sitting in a box, looking at a field, and using stunts and blitzes to put players in a place to make a play. The kids play hard, but that's not getting it done.

**Unchained** · October 12th, 2008, 10:29 PM

Then it's on the coaches and not the kids if I read your post right. It's easy for folks on here to armchair coach though. How many state titles has Phil won? How about any of you? Go ahead and kick him to the curb. What kind of shape was that PV football program in before he came?

**sup-rbeast** · October 12th, 2008, 10:29 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Indian_Dad</div><div class="ubbcode-body">At no point did Sportsman say hand them a trophy. The kids at PV played their arses off Friday night. Whether they are 10-0,or 0-10 they deserve some support.I hope that you will do so at Clintwood when this cycle of good football players that you all have ends (and it will soon,as the feeder team(s) at Clintwood weren't competitive this year). I am as anti-coddling and non-trophy for everyone as they come,but that wasn't what Sportsman was hitting on. </div></div>

Exactly how many times did PV stop the counter? Not saying they kids weren't playing their a$$es off, but JJK basically beat them by running a dive and a counter over and over and over and over....that doesn't happen to a strong team.

**imported_trumpet1988** · October 12th, 2008, 10:30 PM

PV is just young.

**sup-rbeast** · October 12th, 2008, 10:30 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Indian_Dad</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Then it's on the coaches and not the kids if I read your post right. </div></div>

Not entirely, but I don't think all of it can be laid at the feet of the players.

**Unchained** · October 12th, 2008, 10:34 PM

I got news for you. That Kelly offensive line has been able to rack up big ground games more times than not this year. PV has had problems stopping the run,but I'll not bet on that not changing in the future. Lots of growing pains there right now. BTW the counter was good to us,but it ws the screen to Sproles that broke PV's back.

**sup-rbeast** · October 12th, 2008, 10:37 PM

Growin pains don't last long. As for the JJK line, I wasn't impressed. JJK played better Friday and deserved the game, but they are far and away the worst team that has beaten PV this year.