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**VOL61** · January 19th, 2011, 09:39 AM

This is ridiculous. I know Mike Slive is great at suspending basketball coaches or finding loopholes in SEC bylaws. But what is keeping him from acting on this. It isn?t right. You should not be able to treat kids like this. When you recruit a kid and he commits to you, call me crazy but I think you at least owe that kid 4 years without pressuring the kid to leave or take a medical hardship. What Alabama, LSU, and Ole Miss are doing this year in recruiting is completely wrong and shouldn?t be allowed. Bama has 12 spots they have 20 verbal?s and two greyshirts plus they aren?t done? LSU is 9 over already. Ole Miss is 10 over?.

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**Iceman44** · January 19th, 2011, 11:52 AM

I'm sure you're aware that those schollys are only for a year at a time, and coaches can "cut" these guys whenever he finds someone he thinks is better. That said, Slive won't touch bammer or LSU as long as they are big bowl bound. He might hammer Ole Miss or Vandy for oversigning, but he wouldn't touch his moneymakers. He is the most crooked commish in college sports.

**Biggin** · January 19th, 2011, 01:41 PM

let me ask you this; if im on an academic scholarship and my grades suffer, will the school not get rid of my ass?
if a player cant cut it at a big time school, let him transfer out and go somewhere he will get to play.

not to mention that Alabama (i dunno about LSU and OM) has never asked a kid to take a medical. Its always been the players decision.

schools do so much for these kids, to act as if they are doing them a grave injustice is BS.

not to mention ANY SCHOOL CAN DO IT

**VOL61** · January 19th, 2011, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Biggin

let me ask you this; if im on an academic scholarship and my grades suffer, will the school not get rid of my ass?
if a player cant cut it at a big time school, let him transfer out and go somewhere he will get to play.

not to mention that Alabama (i dunno about LSU and OM) has never asked a kid to take a medical. Its always been the players decision.

schools do so much for these kids, to act as if they are doing them a grave injustice is BS.

not to mention ANY SCHOOL CAN DO IT

The fact is they have pressured kids to take these. Here is an article saying as much. They have had 14 in Saban's four years. This article says 12 but there have been two since it was written. I think the next closest is Tressel at Ohio ST with 4 in 10 years. You know what he is doing and it isn't right. It isn't fair to the kids or their families.

The Wiz of Odds: Alabama's Use of Medical Hardships Is Questioned

I don't think you can compare kids not making their grades to what Saban and Miles are clearly doing and in case you don't know these kids are not in the NFL yet. They shouldn't be treated as such. Even more Coaches shouldn't be allowed to manipulate the system to get rid of players they themselves evaluated and gave a scholarship to. That is a mistake the coach should have to live with. The kids or their families shouldn't have to pay the price.

The Big 10 has already acted on this. The Big 12 isn't far behind. But I don't guess Mr. Slive wants to mess with ESPN's darling. This isn't right. It isn't right for Dooley it isn't right for Saban. It needs to be addressed. Because if it isn't you are going to see more and more coaches start doing this.

**pvfan** · January 19th, 2011, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Biggin

let me ask you this; if im on an academic scholarship and my grades suffer, will the school not get rid of my ass?
if a player cant cut it at a big time school, let him transfer out and go somewhere he will get to play.

not to mention that Alabama (i dunno about LSU and OM) has never asked a kid to take a medical. Its always been the players decision.

schools do so much for these kids, to act as if they are doing them a grave injustice is BS.

not to mention ANY SCHOOL CAN DO IT

Let me ask you this. If a coach over evaluates a kid and the kid has a 3.0 gpa and has never been in trouble is it right for the kid to get his scholarship pulled?

**Biggin** · January 20th, 2011, 12:31 AM

Do you know how the Bama med schollys work?

The kids gets to stay in school, FOR FREE, and still gets all the perks a football player receives.

and to answer your question, yes. I do believe that if a kid cannot hold up his end of the bargin (on-field production) he should not be rewarded. How can you support a kid getting a free education over someone more deserving? Whats stopping the kid from transferring down? Alabama always lets the kids transfer out to different schools.
A scholarship is given to for football; If a kid cannot contribue, why should his education be free? Mines not, yours wasnt, why should a kid get four free years of schooling if he gives nothing back?

Let me ask you this;
a school recruits a baseball player to come and play. turns out the kid cant hit the broad side of a barn and cant throw from 2nd base to 1st. Should a baseball coach be forced to keep him for four years, instead of the ONE which is guaranteed by the scholarship?

**pvfan** · January 20th, 2011, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by Biggin

Do you know how the Bama med schollys work?

The kids gets to stay in school, FOR FREE, and still gets all the perks a football player receives.

and to answer your question, yes. I do believe that if a kid cannot hold up his end of the bargin (on-field production) he should not be rewarded. How can you support a kid getting a free education over someone more deserving? Whats stopping the kid from transferring down? Alabama always lets the kids transfer out to different schools.
A scholarship is given to for football; If a kid cannot contribue, why should his education be free? Mines not, yours wasnt, why should a kid get four free years of schooling if he gives nothing back?

Let me ask you this;
a school recruits a baseball player to come and play. turns out the kid cant hit the broad side of a barn and cant throw from 2nd base to 1st. Should a baseball coach be forced to keep him for four years, instead of the ONE which is guaranteed by the scholarship?

You realize their are athletics other than NCAA Division I right? Not every kid that gets a scholarship can go somewhere else. The coach is at no fault for his/her over evaluation? The kid which in many cases can't afford college without support is kicked to the curb despite having good grades and being a good kid? This is what I hate about NCAA Athletics. People that are just fans could care less about anything other than that what goes in the right hand and left hand column. It's sickening to me.

**Biggin** · January 20th, 2011, 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by pvfan

You realize their are athletics other than NCAA Division I right? Not every kid that gets a scholarship can go somewhere else. The coach is at no fault for his/her over evaluation? The kid which in many cases can't afford college without support is kicked to the curb despite having good grades and being a good kid? This is what I hate about NCAA Athletics. People that are just fans could care less about anything other than that what goes in the right hand and left hand column. It's sickening to me.

But thats not what we are talking about. We arent talking about UVa-Wise or Cumberlands, but Alabama and Ole Miss and LSU.

You think a kid who got a scholarship to LSU couldnt get a scholly to McNeese State?

But its okay how athletes use the system tho, right? Like college bball players leaving after one year, football guys leaving after junior season, kids quitting, getting in to trouble, abusing all the perks, taking money from agents and boosters, off the field problems, etc...

And the coach gets punished by losing a scholarship that year. Why should he be punished four years for overestimating a kid? Let's start making transfer kids sit out four years too then. They made a mistake in choosing a school, lets make them wait 4 years before going somewhere else.

At a big time school, I dont see the problem of cutting a kid.

Answer my question;
if a kid gets a football scholarship yet simply cannot cut it on the field, why should he get free board/education/meals/etc... for four years for contributing nothing??
I didnt get four free years of school for being a mediocre athlete, those great kids at Wise who play four years dont get full scholarships, why should a kid who was decent in high school get to get his education for free?

**VOL61** · January 21st, 2011, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by Biggin

But its okay how athletes use the system tho, right? Like college bball players leaving after one year, football guys leaving after junior season, kids quitting, getting in to trouble, abusing all the perks, taking money from agents and boosters, off the field problems, etc...

And the coach gets punished by losing a scholarship that year. Why should he be punished four years for overestimating a kid? Let's start making transfer kids sit out four years too then. They made a mistake in choosing a school, lets make them wait 4 years before going somewhere else.

Do you realize how stupid this sounds? I mean really? A coach gets punished because a football or basketball player left early? How does a coach get punished? Makes no sense.... Most that leave early are going to the draft correct? I mean they clearly had to help the coach while they where there didn't they? They have produced enough to think they can get drafted but since they decide to leave it is punishing the coach......

The coaches have 85 scholarships. If someone gets in trouble and gets kicked off they get to fill that spot. That is what they get paid millions to do right? Manage the program? How much do these kids get that generate all this money?

If a coach wants to cut a kid and make no mistake that is what is happening. He should have the balls to say what he is doing. But he doesn't. He lies his a$$ off to get him in the door then turns around and tells the kid to look elsewhere if things don't work out. If a kid isn't getting in trouble and doing his classwork. Their is no excuse for a coach pressuring a kid to leave other than for his own benifit. That isn't right. You can spin it anyway you want.....

**Biggin** · January 21st, 2011, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by VOL61

Do you realize how stupid this sounds? I mean really? A coach gets punished because a football or basketball player left early? How does a coach get punished? Makes no sense.... Most that leave early are going to the draft correct? I mean they clearly had to help the coach while they where there didn't they? They have produced enough to think they can get drafted but since they decide to leave it is punishing the coach......

Clueless...

If they are leaving early, no doubt they are a great player. Meaning that the coach loses a year with an elite player. DUH! Come on, use that brain of yours.

The coaches have 85 scholarships. If someone gets in trouble and gets kicked off they get to fill that spot. That is what they get paid millions to do right? Manage the program? How much do these kids get that generate all this money?

HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. Free education, board, food, plus all the other perks. Again, use your brain.

If a coach wants to cut a kid and make no mistake that is what is happening. He should have the balls to say what he is doing. But he doesn't. He lies his a$$ off to get him in the door then turns around and tells the kid to look elsewhere if things don't work out. If a kid isn't getting in trouble and doing his classwork. Their is no excuse for a coach pressuring a kid to leave other than for his own benifit. That isn't right. You can spin it anyway you want.....

Once again, prove me wrong. Why should a team be forced to give someone who cannot contribute a free education and such? There are tons of other kids who CAN contribute and do their schoolwork, why should these kids who cant cut it get more than a one year try out?

Answer my question;
You didnt get to go to school at UT by being a mediocre football player and not contributing anything, why should anyone else? College education is EXPENSIVE nowadays, especially at bigger schools. Why should these kids get all these advantage if they cant do what they are SUPPOSED to do, play football well?