Do I hurt over the family members who suffered by Sadaam's crimes, yes I do. But at the same time I realize that Sadaam's own family is hurting right now, cause they loved Sadaam as much as I or anyone else loves theirs. So I feel for both. But I stand by the decision the Iraq Govt. made. On earth we have a justice system, after death we have a Heavenly judge. Why should Sadaam have the power to kill men,women,children, but he himself should not be put to death for his crimes? What punishment do you think he should have got?
i dont think anyone on this forum (or many americans, maybe a handful) had family that Saddam tortured...so why exactly should those who consider themselves Christians celebrate the death of this man? to justify celebration by pointing to the actions of MUSLIM family members is rather pointless and doesnt hold water in any argument
"An individual has not started living until he can rise above the narrow confines of his individualistic concerns to the broader concerns of all humanity."
-Martin Luther King Jr.
I never said I am celebrating his death. I said that I will not shed a tear over his death. Why should I cry or grieve over his death? Are you mourning tonight over his death? Why is it wrong if a christian believes that the death of Sadaam is right? That is what his own Govt. and ours follow as punishment for certain crimes. I believe in the death penalty and the right punishment was carried out. Jesus forgives us all of our sins if we ask, but we still reap what we sow. So why should a Govt. be any different, with certain crimes comes punishment, good if one repents for what they done. But still we must pay for the crime we committed before we repented. Granted some crimes are worse than others therefore a more severe punishment is needed.
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i dont think anyone on this forum (or many americans, maybe a handful) had family that Saddam tortured...so why exactly should those who consider themselves Christians celebrate the death of this man? to justify celebration by pointing to the actions of MUSLIM family members is rather pointless and doesnt hold water in any argument
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The actions of the MUSLIMS with Sadaam leading them, why don't he and the Muslims swallow the same punishment they celebrated over the Americans? They believe all americans are infadels and should die, they killed many in cowardly ways. But Sadaam is sentenced to death by a court of law and all chaos breaks out. Why?? Is Sadaam and the Muslims the only ones who have done right?
If anyone celebrates the death of Sadaam, that is their right. If anyone don't then that is their right. But don't look for much pity for a cowardly man who done what Sadaam done. He is dead, and he lived his life the way he wanted to for many years. I would not want to stand in judgement for what he has done. Do you even care about the ones who have suffered because of this man? Not one time did I see Sadaam ask forgiveness for what he had done or ordered to be done. No Sadaam stood in a court and either defended what he done or denied it.
the only ones who should shed tears over his death would be friends and family members and/or close followers...the only ones who have the right to rejoice over his death are those who were directly (including friends and family members) hurt by his actions
my only point is that we shouldnt rejoice over the killing of any man, no matter how bad the dude was...especially those who go on a certain forum to talk about the preachings of Christ
you said you wouldn't shed a tear, and that may be all you said but you were implying that you didn't care that people were rejoicing over his death, i do not believe you would make such a dull declarative statement if you literally meant what you typed
dont really get where youre comin from sayin i dont care for those who he tortured.. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
Saddam did bad things, he was put on trial for those things and denied them...does the fact that he denied them make it ok to rejoice? he was convicted and under Iraqi law was put to death...their country doesn't have a huge Christian following so I cannot put blame on them for the death sentence, that's not my battle...im simply saying, practice what you preach, if youre gonna say "Jesus said this, Jesus said that" then at least hold yourself accountable to those same principles no matter the circumstances...and i am not saying you are the one doing the things i am talking about, this part is more for the general forum
"An individual has not started living until he can rise above the narrow confines of his individualistic concerns to the broader concerns of all humanity."
-Martin Luther King Jr.
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the only ones who should shed tears over his death would be friends and family members and/or close followers...the only ones who have the right to rejoice over his death are those who were directly (including friends and family members) hurt by his actions
my only point is that we shouldnt rejoice over the killing of any man, no matter how bad the dude was...especially those who go on a certain forum to talk about the preachings of Christ
you said you wouldn't shed a tear, and that may be all you said but you were implying that you didn't care that people were rejoicing over his death, i do not believe you would make such a dull declarative statement if you literally meant what you typed
dont really get where youre comin from sayin i dont care for those who he tortured.. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
Saddam did bad things, he was put on trial for those things and denied them...does the fact that he denied them make it ok to rejoice? he was convicted and under Iraqi law was put to death...their country doesn't have a huge Christian following so I cannot put blame on them for the death sentence, that's not my battle...im simply saying, practice what you preach, if youre gonna say "Jesus said this, Jesus said that" then at least hold yourself accountable to those same principles no matter the circumstances...and i am not saying you are the one doing the things i am talking about, this part is more for the general forum
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I take part in some discussions about the teachings of Christ because I know particuarly certain scriptures in the Bible. By me saying I will not shed a tear over his death does not mean I am PARTYING over his death. Read what I said and quit trying to imply something else. Not shedding a tear is different than partying over a death. Have I shouted and said thank God this man is dead, NO I have not. You do not know me and therefore to cast judgement over one comment is not right of you either. Had I got on here and said poor little Sadaam, would that have made you happy? I have more pity for someone who does a crime and admits it than someone who denies what they have done. I am not God, nor am I one who gets on here and says follow me and all my teachings, they are my opinions and I am not perfect. Unlike you are, or atleast that is how I take you. When I spoke about what Sadaam and the Muslims did in the streets with their celebrating, I wasn't implying hey we should celebrate too here in america. I was telling the actions of Sadaam and how that would cause anger yes anger to cause me to make remembrance of what this man done. Oh yeah the Bible says get angry and sin not. You know that scripture too? Christ got angry in the temple and did not sin, yet he turned over the change tables. So is it wrong if man gets angry over anything? Had Sadaam came to my door I would not have killed him myself, had he killed one of my family members and asked for my forgiveness then I would pray and ask God to help me to forgive him. I am not without mistakes, but before you go and point your righteous finger at me then stop and think about your own belief and if you have a right to criticize. I haven't put any nationality, creed or religion down, I have only quoted what they teach, but you will call me out as a christian and try to find fault simply because I said I will not shed a tear over the death of Sadaam. Many christians believe in the death penalty and many don't, whether I do or not is my right. I stand by it. Do I make mistakes yes I do, and If I have caused you to doubt the word or teachings of Christ then I apologize. That is not what I am trying to do. Nor am I trying to get you to believe the way I do. I post on certain topics and give my opinion or response, but it may not necessarily agree with you that is fine with me. But don't imply that I speak about Christ but don't stand by its teachings because I do.
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and i am not saying you are the one doing the things i am talking about, this part is more for the general forum
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miss that part?...i thought i clearly stated that, and the fact that i didnt think people in America should mourn OR rejoice his death...im not doing either, i just wanted to make sure the people of the forum (not you, not you, not you) remembered what their own religious principles teach them before rejoicing in a man's death
oh and if you want to think im perfect, have at it
"An individual has not started living until he can rise above the narrow confines of his individualistic concerns to the broader concerns of all humanity."
-Martin Luther King Jr.
This man was responsible for the deths of HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of men women and CHILDREN. How could his execution be anything other than justice? At least he was given a trial and had a chance to defend himself. That is more than he ever gave his victims. He was tried, convicted, sentenced and executed. His victims were simply MURDERED.
I see this as a major step forward for the struggling new government in Iraq. With this butcher out of the picture at least there is a CHANCE for the violence to end some day. That would never have been possible as long as he was alive.
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HOW'S THAT HOPE AND CHANGE WORKING OUT FOR YA ??????
Why is everyone trying to compare Iraq's laws to ours? By their own Law, they found him guilty and executed him. And yes elpn, they are celebrating over his death. The only ones who aren't celebrating are the terrorists.
In response to an earlier post, had the soldier who found him in his little hole shot him, then that soldier more likely than not would have been put on trial by us for murder. The plain simple fact is that the Iraqis tried and executed him, not us. We should celebrate the fact that this tyrant is dead and that is that. Didn't the United States celebrate the fact that Hitler died? YES THEY DID!! Didn't the jews celebrate the crucifiction of CHRIST? All through history, countless millions have celebrated the executions of tyrants, as should we now celebrate the fact the Hussein is dead.
I have been involved in 3 conflicts, Grenada, Panama, and Desert Storm. Just remember, our forces are an all volunteer force now. Not like it was during Vietnam, Korea, WWII, or WWI when men were drafted and made to serve.
Now. when a person joins our armed forces, they are agreeing to the possibility of having to go and fight. It is in your "contract" when you sign.
If we were gonna use Iraq's laws , Saddam would still be running the thing. Bush the first should have finished it when he had the troops mobilized. The UN won't mess with a "civil" war ...isn't that the way the Kurds were killed? With the troops already there? And what about the troop "contract extensions"? War is war , always will be, no good way to handle it. And to handcuff our troops and make traffic cops out of them is out of the question. How, in a civil war, do they decide right from wrong?
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