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    Hopefully this is it...

    WASHINGTON ? House Democrats reached agreement Wednesday on key elements of a health care bill that would vastly alter America's medical landscape, requiring virtually universal sign-ups and establishing a new government-run insurance option for millions.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi planned a formal announcement Thursday morning in front of the Capitol. Lawmakers said the legislation could be up for a vote on the House floor next week.

    The rollout will cap months of arduous negotiations to bridge differences between liberal and moderate Democrats and blend health care overhaul bills passed by three separate committees over the summer. The developments in the House came as Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., tried to round up support among moderate Democrats for his bill, which includes a modified government insurance option that states could opt out of.

    Reid met Wednesday with Arkansas Sen. Blanche Lincoln, who faces a potentially tough re-election next year.

    The final product in the House, reflecting many of President Barack Obama's priorities, includes new requirements for employers to offer insurance to their workers or face penalties, fines on Americans who don't purchase coverage and subsidies to help lower-income people do so. Insurance companies would face new prohibitions against charging much more to older people or denying coverage to people with health conditions.

    The price tag, topping $1 trillion over 10 years, would be paid for by taxing high-income people and cutting some $500 billion in payments to Medicare providers. The legislation would extend health coverage to around 95 percent of Americans.

    Republicans criticized the bill even before it was unveiled.

    "Americans' health care is too important to risk on one gigantic bill that was negotiated behind closed doors," said Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich. "The Medicare cuts will hurt seniors, the tax increases will kill jobs and the government takeover of health care will increase premium costs.

    One change expected to be revealed Thursday is that some of the provisions of the bill, which were set to take effect mostly in 2013, have been moved up so Americans would see the benefits of the legislation more quickly, according Pelosi spokesman Nadeam Elshami.

    "I'm pretty confident that we've got the right pieces in place," said Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., chairman of the Education and Labor Committee, one of the three panels involved in writing the bill. "We can quibble over parts of it, but the fact is when you're taking a 60-year-old system that grew up in a rather haphazard fashion and you're trying to bring some coherence to it, these are sort of the things you have to do at the beginning of that process."

    Plenty of work remains to be done before a bill could land on Obama's desk ? and there's still no guarantee that Congress can complete the legislation before year's end, as the president wants. If Obama does sign a health overhaul bill, he will have bucked decades of failed attempts by past administrations, most recently by former President Bill Clinton in the 1990s.

    House leaders hope to finish the bill before Veteran's Day, Nov. 11. The Senate is aiming to start debate sometime in the next several weeks.

    Bills passed by the House and Senate would have to be merged before a final product could be sent to Obama, and there are a number of differences between the two chambers that would have to be reconciled. Among them are the different approaches to the public plan. The House does not include the opt-out provision for states, and it has more stringent requirements for employers. The Senate would use a tax on high-value insurance plans to pay for the bill, an approach that the House version doesn't have.

    In the end, Pelosi, D-Calif., and other House leaders were unable to round up the necessary votes for their preferred version of the government insurance plan ? one that would base payment rates to providers on rates paid by Medicare. Instead, the Health and Human Services secretary would negotiate rates with providers, the approach preferred by moderates and the one that will be featured in the Senate's version.

    That marked a defeat for liberal lawmakers, who argued for months that a public insurance plan tied to Medicare would save more money for the government, and offer cheaper rates to consumers. Moderates feared that doctors, hospitals and other providers, particularly those in rural states, would be hurt, and in the end they looked poised to prevail, despite constituting a distinct minority in the 256-member House Democratic caucus.

    Some liberals were prepared to accept the negotiated rate structure. Others were still withholding support, even while pointing to Reid's inclusion of a government insurance plan in the Senate bill as a victory in itself.

    "We were laughed at in August. Who would have thought that the Senate bill would have a public option?" said Rep. Lynn Woolsey, D-Calif., a co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

    Woolsey was noncommittal about whether progressives would accept the negotiated rates. "This is not walkaway time and it is not acceptance time," Woolsey said.

    Members of the progressive caucus, along with lawmakers from the black and Hispanic caucuses, were scheduled to meet with Obama at the White House on Thursday, she said.

    The legislation would set up a new purchasing exchange where small businesses and individuals without affordable health care options could shop for and compare insurance plans. The new public plan would be one offered in the exchange, and it would be optional; an analysis by the Congressional Budget Office of early versions of the bill said that the public plan would be expected to cover 9 million to 10 million people by 2019.

    The House plan also envisions a significant expansion of Medicaid, the federal-state health care program for low income people.

    Democratic leaders still faced disputes over prohibiting taxpayer money for abortions and health care for illegal immigrants, issues they hoped to resolve after the bill's unveiling.


    House Dems reach deal on key health care elements | General News | Comcast.net

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    Re: Hopefully this is it...

    Washington (CNN) -- The battle over health care reform reached another milestone Thursday as top House Democrats unveiled sweeping legislation that includes a highly controversial public health insurance option.

    The nearly 2,000-page bill -- a combination of three versions passed by House committees -- would cost $894 billion over 10 years to extend insurance coverage to 36 million uncovered Americans, according to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

    However, the bill's total cost, including Medicare changes, is expected to be higher and could push the price tag over $1 trillion, according to an initial CNN analysis.

    The bill guarantees that 96 percent of Americans have coverage, Pelosi stated. The claim is based on an analysis by the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office.

    Among other things, the bill would subsidize insurance for poorer Americans and create health insurance exchanges to make it easier for small groups and individuals to purchase coverage. It would also cap annual out-of-pocket expenses and prevent insurance companies from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions.

    Pelosi's office said the bill would cut the federal deficit by roughly $30 billion over the next decade. The measure is financed through a combination of a tax surcharge on wealthy Americans and spending constraints in Medicare and Medicaid.

    Specifically, individuals with annual incomes over $500,000, as well as families earning more than $1 million, would face a 5.4 percent income tax surcharge. Medicare expenditures would be cut by 1.3 percent annually.

    "Today, we are ... laying the foundation for a brighter future for generations to come," Pelosi said on Capitol Hill.

    "For Americans struggling with the cost of health care, this is an urgently needed bill," said House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Maryland. "This is an idea whose time has come."

    President Obama praised House Democrats for forging "a strong consensus that represents a historic step forward."

    Republicans tore into the bill, characterizing it as a series of tax increases and new regulations that would destroy jobs while doing little to stop spiraling health

    "This really is a government takeover of health care in America," said Rep. Mike Pence, R-Indiana. "It appears for all of the world like a massive government-run insurance plan paid for with a freight train of mandates and taxes and bureaucracy."

    Critics argue that the Democrats' $894 billion price tag excludes the cost associated with closing the Medicare "donut hole" prescription drug coverage gap.

    The donut hole refers to some drug costs left uncovered by Medicare before catastrophic coverage kicks in. Pelosi highlighted plans to close the gap while discussing the bill Thursday.

    Under the public option in the House plan, health care providers would be allowed to negotiate reimbursement rates with the federal government, according to Democratic leadership aides.

    Pelosi and other liberal Democrats had argued for a more "robust" public option that ties reimbursement rates for providers and hospitals to Medicare rates plus a 5 percent increase. Several Democrats representing rural areas, however, complained that doctors and hospitals in their districts would be shortchanged under such a formula.

    The Democratic leadership "pushed as hard as they could" for the robust option but couldn't win majority support for it, said liberal New York Rep. Jerrold Nadler. "There is no point crying over spilt milk."

    The House bill differs from legislation now being considered by the Senate in a number of critical ways. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, also favors a public option but would allow individual states to opt out of the plan. Reid would allow for the creation of nonprofit health care cooperatives; the House bill does not include such a measure.

    A bill recently passed by the Senate Finance Committee does not include a tax surcharge on the wealthy but would instead impose a new tax on high-end health care policies, dubbed "Cadillac plans" by critics. A large number of House Democrats are adamantly opposed to taxing such policies, arguing that such a move would hurt union members who traded higher salaries for more generous benefits.

    Individuals under the $829 billion Senate Finance Committee plan would be required to purchase health insurance coverage or face a fine of up to $750. The House bill imposes a more stringent fine of up to 2.5 percent of an individual's income. Both versions include a hardship exemption for poorer Americans.

    The Senate Finance Committee bill would require large companies to contribute to the health care costs of lower income workers if those workers receive a government subsidy for insurance. The House legislation would require larger companies to provide employee insurance for everyone or pay a penalty of up to 8 percent of total revenue.

    Democratic leaders in both chambers agree on establishing nonprofit health care cooperatives and stripping insurance companies of an antitrust exemption that has been in place since the end of World War II.

    Moderate House Democrats, whose votes are needed to pass the bill, appeared to be cautiously optimistic. They didn't, however, offer any definitive judgments.

    "I'm not leaning one way or the other right now, but I just have to get into the bill and read it for myself," said Rep. Baron Hill, D-Indiana. "I'm hoping to be able to vote for it."

    The House Democratic leadership posted the bill online Thursday and agreed to give members at least 72 hours to read it before a vote. Under that timetable, the full House could begin debating the bill next week.

    Any bill passed by the House of Representatives will eventually have to be merged with legislation passed by the Senate. Both chambers would then have to pass a revised measure before sending it to Obama to be signed into law.

    One thorny issue remaining to be resolved among House Democrats is the final abortion language in the bill. Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Michigan, has been pushing leaders to add stronger language prohibiting the use of federal money to pay for abortions under new health care reforms.

    Stupak has vowed that if he isn't allowed a vote on the issue, a group of 40 anti-abortion Democrats will work to block the bill from getting to the House floor.

    Leadership aides admit that they need to find compromise wording on abortion but say they are confident the issue will be resolved by the time the bill gets to the floor.

    House Democrats unveil $894 billion health care bill - CNN.com

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    Uhm, so the Dems have pretty much sold out to insurance companies? That's past disappointing.
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    How'd they sell out to insurance companies? It's more like these moderate dems selling out to conservative voters, that's disappointing, damn politics.

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    Re: Hopefully this is it...

    Quote Originally Posted by R13 View Post
    How'd they sell out to insurance companies? It's more like these moderate dems selling out to conservative voters, that's disappointing, damn politics.
    No actually the moderate Dems are the only ones of the Dems actually with any common sense...the rest of the Dems needs to get off its high horse and see that the vast majority of people don't want what they are trying to bring onto the country period...so R13 you can continue to talk to yourself on this forum since you make 95% of the posts which are so far out in left field obviously no one listens to them or than to be amused.

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    Re: Hopefully this is it...

    DNC? What the hell does the DNC have to do with it? That's a fund raising committee, not the party, you do realize that? Couple questions for your post...


    1) Who are these people? Because from what polls and what opinions I've seen, you're completely wrong. Majority do agree with it and Obama. Sadly mistaken, it's just the right listening to the republican politicians...go watch a town hall meeting, see if you can find many who oppose it and know what they are talking about.


    2) What's the Republicans solution that is the better choice? What the Republicans plan for reform period? Because reform is needed, almost all will agree with that, but all the right seems to do is talk about how the dems are wrong and never given a plan of their own...so could you please inform us?




    And if you don't like what I post, it's pretty easy to not read it or reply to it, some good advice you might want to take into consideration. K ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by R13 View Post
    How'd they sell out to insurance companies? It's more like these moderate dems selling out to conservative voters, that's disappointing, damn politics.
    Do you think those in the health insurance business aren't pushing conservative right now? I'm just disappointed in the Dems, giving in to say the least.
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    Oh yes definitely, they have a big pull in it, I just think IMO it's pandering to voting and jumping on a hot button issue like this. They've definitely given in, I'd personally rather see the original plan pushed through with some Reconciliation if it had to come down to it.

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    Re: Hopefully this is it...

    Quote Originally Posted by R13 View Post
    DNC? What the hell does the DNC have to do with it? That's a fund raising committee, not the party, you do realize that? Couple questions for your post...


    1) Who are these people? Because from what polls and what opinions I've seen, you're completely wrong. Majority do agree with it and Obama. Sadly mistaken, it's just the right listening to the republican politicians...go watch a town hall meeting, see if you can find many who oppose it and know what they are talking about.


    2) What's the Republicans solution that is the better choice? What the Republicans plan for reform period? Because reform is needed, almost all will agree with that, but all the right seems to do is talk about how the dems are wrong and never given a plan of their own...so could you please inform us?


    And if you don't like what I post, it's pretty easy to not read it or reply to it, some good advice you might want to take into consideration. K ?
    Yes I do know what the DNC and not on your young level there...

    1) I am not sure what polls you are seeing but the last numerous polls I have seen the people wanting this is in the vast minority...My younger brother did go to a town hall meeting in his area -- the couple of them that went were very informed on the issues and of the couple hundred people there the only ones that were for the new healthcare program being proposed was the bus load from the city brought in by Acorn.

    2) There are many choices better than what the plans that are trying to be railroaded in...yeah the Republicans have some ideas that would be better easily...I am not denying reform is needed but not a lot of the type that the Dems are trying to push through and total dismantle of the current the system which is not needed which would put the country totally under is not the way to go.

    No what you post is very amusing with its Ed Shultz like following to the left...the postings are always good for a laugh with shallowness and naive try at insight...no keep posting as it reminds me of how people are led very easily just like a lot of college students are for example...

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    Re: Hopefully this is it...

    1) Public opinion on health care reform in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Yeah not seeing it. And I was believing that, until you say ACORN bussed a couple hundred in, sounds like some bullshit. Really believable that 1) ACORN is sending people, why? 2) That if they were, they'd send them to BFE, VA.



    2) Well tell me about these better plans? This system would stay in place, what's being dismantled? A gov. OPTION is being added, with some much needed regulations for these companies that are out of control.



    And you can say I'm to the left of Marx, but I'm more informed than most. Of course what I post is biased, never denied it, but it's never a lie and never not backed up with facts. Say this and that about how I'm being "led on" and not knowing what I'm talking about , but you're not debunking anything I say...unless you're going to?.....I'll be waiting.....

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