<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CoeburnCane</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pac-Man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Correct.. you all brought it up and that is fine.. I do not care what you discuss that is not the problem.. the problem is this: You and others tried to present it off as though I was debating it... I NEVER WANTED TO DEBATE THAT.</div></div>

That's the problem man--you never want to debate anything peripheral to the main point that's still related to it--you want your points and your points only to be spoken to. That's an unrealistic expectation of myself and other posters on here, to be limited in a conversation on anything to only your POV. I hope you understand that.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pac-Man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Okay when I say I believe all things are inspired by good or evil.. this is what is meant... let us use phsical sickness as an example. It does not come from God... It comes because Adam and Eve fell in the garden... so evil was allowed because of sin. So sickness is because of the fall of man... I hope you can get that... </div></div>

I got it a LONG time ago and explained my point on it thoroughly. You apparently didn't read it from the original thread this all started on:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CoeburnCane</div><div class="ubbcode-body">However--if you want to look at diseases--track it back to the Garden. When the devil tempted Eve into taking of the tree of life and eating the fruit, and then Eve gave the fruit to Adam...that intrinsically made all of us innately depraved. (NOTE--this is if we're tracing things back from the beginning of the Bible.)

Now--if you take the concept of innate depravity and expand it out a little bit--it basically means born of sin, and perfection cannot exist in the presence of sin, so thusly--we are imperfect beings from the start.

Since we are imperfect beings, our bodies aren't going to stay healthy due to environmental factors created by our own free will, choices we've made to pollute and royally screw up our earth from what God intended for it to be. I feel that a bit of Darwinism will tell us that the more imperfect beings breed with each other and have offspring, the more that we will all be susceptible to disease.

So it's not demonic possession--it's more likely a function of an increase in biomedical knowledge along with the continual creation of increasingly genetically imperfect offspring.</div></div>

So there you go. We said almost the same exact thing w/a little bit of a different slant of logic to get there, but I'm attacking your ideas as 100% false and I'm out to get you.

Right.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pac-Man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought we could discuss our points.. each of us. Okay you do not have to apologize... that is okay..I thought I was pretty prepared though... I had the evidence to back me up. Maybe the 90% are influenced by you and a handful of others.. like I said I only get hate posts like this from you and a few otheres no one else...</div></div>

Still playing that victim role huh? Yeah. So now, I PM people daily telling you that they should gang up on you and tell you that you're nuts and that they should dog you out for your posts. I do it on purpose because I don't like you. Sure. Your conspiracy theory on that is amusing, but I'd say I get more PM's complaining about your lack of respect for someone else's opinion on here when they're trying to discuss a subject you brought up than you have ever or will ever get praising you for your posts. Ever wonder why no one responded to your initial post in that initial thread, and you had to respond to it yourself? It's because we've removed more people than I can count from the Religion forum by their request because they don't want to deal with you on these subjects. Not because they're intimidated by your knowledge, but because your idea is the only idea and their idea is blasphemous or anti-religious--when it's in reality only their opinion. You condescend others thoughts way too easily. Not all the time mind you, but when it comes down to where you feel you're being attacked or being made to look dumb, you hit that holier-than-thou button and turn off the other person/people in the conversation from even responding.

Scully and Mulder called for you. Something about "the truth is out there", or something? </div></div>

It is not that I do not desire to debate or discuss anything Peripheral to the main point... all I am saying was Some posts seem to be accusing me of supporting things that I did not say or imply... that is all. I can discuss about anything. I never said you attacked my "original idea"... I am not playing the victim role... I could care less...I do not feel like a victim. Even witht he conversations you and I have I do not take it personal.. really I don't.. I still respect you and your opinions even if they are not my own. Well maybe the reason no one responded to the original post was... I went ahead and gave more info.. on the matter, I do not know the real reason.. maybe they do not like me.. I do not know. I am not holier than thou.. never said I was nor act like I am... I am just a sinner saved by grace.. no better than anyone else. Who is Scully and Mulder?