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[Eden Niro]

ok, quite naive obviously, but can anyone define the look and 'styles' of each of these:

8mm

16mm

35mm

plus, expense foe each.....thank you so much......

despin out.

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[shirt]

Don't let the above fool you...

First off, they are right about 8mm being the grainiest format... However 8mm is used on tons of big budget films. Mostly for pre-WW2 period pieces. Especially war films, fore the most part during action sequences, used as a second format camera.

NOW... 16mm and 35mm.. Here is where it gets very tricky. Many filmmakers are starting to stray away from 35mm back to 16mm... Very manuverable cameras, etc, etc. as said above. HOWEVER, 16mm and 35mm are exactly the same when exposing... one is not grainier than the other.. it's just that 16mm is available in reversal film and negative film. Reversal is very grainy, and VERY unforgiving. Negative film is what Hollywood uses or anyone with a budget. Negative is forgiving enough that you can be a few f-stops off and your picture will look alright. Anyways, why not check out the kodak website... it probally goes into much more detail, etc.

Anyways, have fun.

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[eddie]

OK in a nutshell: (all my own opinion)

8mm - small format, fairly cheap and forgiving, quite grainy when projected. Cameras are small so you can get shots you normally cant with bigger cameras. Cameras tend to be pretty simple - so cant do many effects, such as slo mo. Sound syncing can be difficult. Probably wont be accepted by a distributor because format isnt considered 'serious'. Not very many types of film stock to choose from. Quite hard to get a 'good image' need loads of light.
Good for 1 or 2 man crew operation.

16mm - smallest 'professional' format for festivals and general release. Very versatile, with loads of different stocks. Cameras have all the effects you might want (slo mo, fades, double exposures....lenses etc), fairly expensive but you pay for what you get. Cameras are still small enough to get funky shots. Great picture quality. No syncing problems.
Bigger crew needed, Id say at least 3 people.

35mm - totally serious. Quite easy to get a good image. Wonderful picture quality. Huge cameras - that do everything you could possibly imagine/need/not need. Very expensive. Huge range of film stocks. Big crew needed.

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[Vlad the Impaler]

why do you say despin out?

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One Ring to rule them all

[Tom Servo]

8- grainy but pretty easy to use. I have three of these that i got for free at a yard sale and you have to actually thread the film through the camera to use them. Not really worth your money unless you find one for free :-)

16- I love the look of 16 but I can't afford it. Great if you want a cool looking "film" film but can't afford 35mm. (It won't look like 35 but it has that filmy punch and contrast)

35- Never used this but you can see it in pretty much anything.

Don't forget Super 8...you can get some nice cameras for relatively cheap. You can't get sound film anymore but you can buy a 3 minute roll for about 10 bucks and do the sound with a minidisc. It looks very, very cool. Check out the film "trans" for good use of Super 8. (the dreams of the fair are in super 8)

I use super 8 and DV, if you care.

[seekaee]

Both S-8 and 16mm have come a long way. Check out the VISION 200T stock from Kodak. It's Color negative film for S-8 and it looks incredible (almost as good as 16mm) the only thing about S-8 negative film is it's very expensive as you have to tecine the film to video to actualy view it.

16mm as we know is a larger stock and normally has less grain then the S-8 variants. It?s also being used more in feature films as well (Leaving Las Vegas,Tigerland are recent example that come to mind)Just last month I saw the new Mick Jagger/Lenny Kravitz video and happen to noticed in the behind the scene footage they were using aaton's new A-Minima; a super 16mm camera the size of a camcorder. I'm not the biggest Lenny Kravitz in the world, but the video did look smashing to say the least(Infact,even better then alot of 35mm Iv'e seen).

However,for the low/no budget filmaker, the cost of such accessories is normally out of their grasp (telecine alone can cost you $250 an hour!) But things are getting better as there has been new strides in the small gage market--especialy DIY home telecining!Check out Roger Evans (aka Moviestuff on Mike Bradley's Super-8 filmmaking board) He's designed something called the Workprinter that can do just that and at an extremely affordable price.

Here?s his website for more information:
http://www.afterimagephoto.tv/moviestuff.html

[This message has been edited by seekaee (edited January 16, 2002).]

[sdchown]

The reason for the new found popularity of 16mm is because super-16mm is the same aspect ratio as HD TV (16:9). So a lot of stuff is being shot that way.

For those not in the know, Super 16 is the same as 16mm but there are only perforations down the one side of the film, and the space where the sound is normally stored is also given over to storing picture. This gives you a film stock that yields +- 40% more picture for no extra cost. Plus its Widescreen.

Cheerio
Stephen Chown


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Regards
Stephen Chown
Old Ones Productions

[Generic Skinhead]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, helvetica, sans serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by seekaee:
[B]I'm not the biggest Lenny Kravitz in the world,[B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you the smallest Lenny Kravitz then?

I presume you meant ya don't like his music, you should check out these tracks.

That guys got some classic riffs:
Always on the run
Are you gonna go my way
Rock and Roll is Dead
Fly away
and his version of American Woman is better than Pink Floyd!



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I can't believe I sold my image rights for a pint of Guinness!

[Red House Painter]

I've read a good chunk of it and seems good so far, but can't get over the title. Itdoesn't do justice to your script. I try and avoid those two word wonders. It's very 80's:

Primal Fear
Basic Istinct
Fatal Attraction
Fatal Fear
Basic Attraction
Primal Instinct
Static Fear

I don't mean to be harsh but it put me off to start.

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If you can't stand the heat, get out of the frying pan!

[Red House Painter]

Excuse me but nobady can do anything better than Pink Floyd. They are the only true super band. Then again, I think the Beatles were crap so you might disagree!

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If you can't stand the heat, get out of the frying pan!